TaHarrush - Arabic rape game phenomenon arrived in Germany according to police - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Akri;49512993]it all depends, my sister's boyfriend's friend (friend of the boyfriend) went to Saudi Arabia to work on a conscruction site and one night he was drinking and they caught him and sentenced him to jail for 12 years I believe (I'm sure it was over 10 years) so yeah it may not be that dangerous to go there but one wrong step and you're pretty much fucked[/QUOTE] Yes that's Saudi Arabia, the most extremist country there is, top dog in executions together with China and the US and lets not forget Iraq which was pretty much ruled by the US for a decade, currently in war with Jemen, another Muslim country, and it makes up for roughly 2% of all Muslims. And that's if you count all of the people of Saudi Arabia embracing these policies. Do we have more stories of friends of peoples sisters boyfriends or aunt of the dogsitter of our neighbours or something? I think there's a lot to learn here.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49512675]Maybe back to topic. [url]http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/47/47075/1.html[/url] TaHarrush as a phenomenon is known from Egypt and first appeared under the Mubarac regime and was used to accuse the Muslim Brotherhood of said violence [url]http://opendocs.ids.ac.uk/opendocs/bitstream/handle/123456789/2950/ER8%20final%20online.pdf?sequence=1&utm_source=idswebsite&utm_medium=download&utm_campaign=opendocs[/url] So the stuff the BKA saw "in arab countries" is actually what they saw in Egypt where it was backed and executed by police forces and used by a regime that by the time it appeared was BACKED by western forces. Nice. This is why you don't trust "Die Welt", they are part of Springer Presse which is the publisher of "Bild", the worst tabloid on Earth.[/QUOTE] wait are you telling me that this refugee scare-mongering, xenophobic at best article falls to bits under the slightest amount of scrutiny?? who would have guessed! [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] but killuah, it's so much easier to just believe that all arabs play the 'rape game' for funsies

Yes who would've guessed that RT and Die Welt let out essential bits of information to give the article a more sensationalistic spin. Because not telling is not the same as lying, right? RIGHT? [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] Especially when the info says that the practice comes from a dictatorship we backed of a country where mom spent a stunning 3 weeks in the Robinson Club and had such a nice trip round the Pyramids in her climatized bus.

[QUOTE=Fayez;49512374]Got a source for that statement buddy? The only government in the world to have practiced legal stoning is Iran, and I don't think the people of Iran had a choice in their government thanks to the oh so amazing and superior Western powers. [/QUOTE] The West hasn't had influence in Iranian politics in nearly 40 years. Blaming Middle Eastern theocratic barbarism on the West is dumb. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;49513010]Yes that's Saudi Arabia, the most extremist country there is, top dog in executions together with China and the US and lets not forget Iraq which was pretty much ruled by the US for a decade, currently in war with Jemen, another Muslim country, and it makes up for roughly 2% of all Muslims. And that's if you count all of the people of Saudi Arabia embracing these policies. Do we have more stories of friends of peoples sisters boyfriends or aunt of the dogsitter of our neighbours or something? I think there's a lot to learn here.[/QUOTE] Why bother with anecdotes when we have the documented codes of justice for these countries and know for a fact that they are brutal theocracies?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49513191]The West hasn't had influence in Iranian politics in nearly 40 years. [/QUOTE] Are you shitting me? We just forced them to dismount their whole nuclear program. And they complied. [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095[/url] We drove millions of refugees into their country with the wars we started in their neighbouring countries, effectively promoting religious tensions in the whole area. We give Saudi Arabia, one of the sworn enemies of Iran trillions of dollars in oil money because we enjoy driving heavy cars with lots of HP so much. Hell we are selling them tanks and all kinds of weapons to get the money back. And even disregarding all that, an incidence happening 40 years ago is not something you can just see isolated in the past.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49513262]Are you shitting me? We just forced them to dismount their whole nuclear program. And they complied. [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095[/url] We drove millions of refugees into their country with the wars we started in their neighbouring countries, effectively promoting religious tensions in the whole area. We give Saudi Arabia, one of the sworn enemies of Iran trillions of dollars in oil money because we enjoy driving heavy cars with lots of HP so much. Hell we are selling them tanks and all kinds of weapons to get the money back. And even disregarding all that, an incidence happening 40 years ago is not something you can just see isolated in the past.[/QUOTE] We haven't interfered in their internal, domestic politics is what I meant. You know, the part of the government that would be responsible for adopting a slightly more progressive version of medieval Sharia. Obviously we have influenced their country in ways not contextual to the discussion at hand.

It [B]REALLY [/B] bothers me parts of the European left are blaming the mass sexual assaults in Cologne on sexism as the main problem in Europe, stating that sexual assaults also happen during ''European'' festivals like beerfest and carnival. Sure, there still is a sexism problem in ''Native'' Europe, but I don't think you can compare incidents where women get groped during beerfests with the mass rape in Cologne, which almost certainly had to do with the cultural ''package'' of it's perpetrators. Still, I don't think you can hold random refugees responsible for the sexual assaults in Cologne, even tough it most certainly had to do with Arabic machismo culture.

I mean maybe I should have been more specific but you went way left field of what anyone in this thread is talking about currently so I dunno.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49513283]We haven't interfered in their internal, domestic politics is what I meant. You know, the part of the government that would be responsible for adopting a slightly more progressive version of medieval Sharia. Obviously we have influenced their country in ways not contextual to the discussion at hand.[/QUOTE] But you didn't say that and only specified when I pointed that out. And as I described in everything else but the nuclear program thing, we did. Very much so. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=cheezey;49513297]It [B]REALLY [/B] bothers me parts of the European left are blaming the mass sexual assaults in Cologne on sexism as the main problem in Europe, stating that sexual assaults also happen during ''European'' festivals like beerfest and carnival. Sure, there still is a sexism problem in ''Native'' Europe, but I don't think you can compare incidents where women get groped during beerfests with the mass rape in Cologne, which almost certainly had to do with the cultural ''package'' of it's perpetrators. Still, I don't think you can hold random refugees responsible for the sexual assaults in Cologne, even tough it most certainly had to do with Arabic machismo culture.[/QUOTE] I don't get this mindset. It's a good start for discussing general sexism issues. The ones we already have as well as the ones that arrive with other cultures. And that's what most people who don't go along with the "brown people rape party" tale are trying to say. I don't get why people make it out to be the situation you are criticizing because noone worth listening to is denying the fact that the problems do exist. Imagine the house is on fire. One dude says "The kitchen is burning" Another dude says "So is the living room!" And the first dude replies "What, do you not want to call the firefighters?"

[QUOTE=Killuah;49513301]But you didn't say that and only specified when I pointed that out. And as I described in everything else but the nuclear program thing, we did. Very much so.[/QUOTE] I didn't think I needed to point it out because we weren't talking about Irans nuclear program or weapons deals with Saudi Arabia??? The context of my post is clear and you have yet to tackle the main point, that the United States nor any Western nation has been in any position to stop the people of Iran from changing their government from the inside.

[QUOTE=Fayez;49512581] 2% of Afghanis use internet yet over 84% of them say they use social media sites. Okay. [/QUOTE] A lot of people in the third world don't consider facebook as part of the internet. [URL="http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/"]http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49513342]A lot of people in the third world don't consider facebook as part of the internet. [URL="http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/"]http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/[/URL][/QUOTE] That makes the polling look even dumber. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;49513320]I didn't think I needed to point it out because we weren't talking about Irans nuclear program or weapons deals with Saudi Arabia??? The context of my post is clear and you have yet to tackle the main point, that the United States nor any Western nation has been in any position to stop the people of Iran from changing their government from the inside.[/QUOTE] Neither were we talking about the point that you just brought up and as I said I adressed Iran's problems with extremist religious views though many other points up there. Not to mention that economic sanctions "from the west" as well as the forced closure of the nuclear program helps consolidation of the regime and extreme "anti-west" views a LOT. An outer enemy always helps distracting from inner domestic problems. Full circle to us giving Saudi Arabia money and selling them weapons. It IS connected.

Simple, punish rapist refugees harshly to set an example. A few life sentences and/or executions will soon teach them to behave.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49513351] Neither were we talking about the point that you just brought up and as I said I adressed Iran's problems with extremist religious views though many other points up there. Not to mention that economic sanctions "from the west" as well as the forced closure of the nuclear program helps consolidation of the regime and extreme "anti-west" views a LOT. An outer enemy always helps distracting from inner domestic problems. Full circle to us giving Saudi Arabia money and selling them weapons. It IS connected.[/QUOTE] But it's not about anti-west views it's about what Iran [I]is doing to it's own people. [/I] We are no more responsible for that than they are for how we treat our citizens.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;49510460]What the fuck? Who the hell makes a game out of rape? This is fucking sick.[/QUOTE] The word is "taharrush gamea". "Game" is just something added by OP in order to sensationalize and confuse, as far as I can tell-

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49513444]But it's not about anti-west views it's about what Iran [I]is doing to it's own people. [/I] We are no more responsible for that than they are for how we treat our citizens.[/QUOTE] We sure do help a lot.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49512540]That poll showing the general views of Muslims and the fact that Muslim countries have laws that condemn Homosexuality with harsh penalties (including death), treat women as second class citizens and other crazy nonsense kinda makes it obvious that they're regressive. Not just dictatorships. Pakistan and Indonesia are disgustingly backwards, openly persecuting minorities such as Christians, Hindus and Ahmadiyah/Sufi Muslims.[/QUOTE] This isn't Islam's fault any more than it was Christianity's fault 100 years ago when the west was doing it or for what Russia's doing now. Also, you're taking a few of the 50 or so countries with Muslim majorities and taking it as though they represent the whole of Islam which is nonsense. It's misdirection to blame the religion which happens to be widespread in some parts of the world where this shit happens, for far more complicated reasons.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49513483]This isn't Islam's fault any more than it was Christianity's fault 100 years ago when the west was doing it or for what Russia's doing now. Also, you're taking a few of the 50 or so countries with Muslim majorities and taking it as though they represent the whole of Islam which is nonsense. It's misdirection to blame the religion which happens to be widespread in some parts of the world where this shit happens, for far more complicated reasons.[/QUOTE] If there was not homophobia in the bible we'd probably have seen much less homophobia in the west, same with the Koran in the Islamic world. Pointing out that Christianity has awful shit in it doesn't somehow justify Islam.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49513949]If there was not homophobia in the bible we'd probably have seen much less homophobia in the west, same with the Koran in the Islamic world. Pointing out that Christianity has awful shit in it doesn't somehow justify Islam.[/QUOTE] Well cool because noone is saying that.

[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;49511385]oh thank goodness it's [i]only[/i] sexual harassment... doesnt make it less criminal and gross though[/QUOTE] imagine news outlets around the world saying that "sexual harassment" is the english term for an "american rape game phenomenon"

Can some mod maybe edit the thread title?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49514543]Can some mod maybe edit the thread title?[/QUOTE]Nobody has explicitly pointed out that "taharrush" isn't a slang term for an actual phenomena that's been reported by RT and by the BBC. It would be reasonable to assume that the phrase, "altaharrush al-jinsi" (probably butchering that shit since Arabic is not something I am remotely good at) is the origin of such slang, probably parallel with the short-hand term describing actual sexual violence used by the Mubarak regime. (as you've pointed out by the way) We appreciate you pointing that out, but it doesn't demonstrate that "taharrush" (which means "harassment" directly translated, btw) is not the term used by groups of young immigrant men for prowling around in search of a hot piece of ass they can force themselves on.

I think I wasnt clear enough on my previous post, so I will just use exaggerated examples instead to get my point across. look at black crime rates. If you look behind the scenes, you see how poverty plays a major role, the effects of the relationship between the black community and the police force, the social ideals, so on (same goes for other ethnicities too). Then some people say "teach black people not to steal" look at sexual harassment statistics. you can delve into the details of peer pressures, social pressures and standards, gender roles in todays society. Yet some folks look no further than the fact that there is a higher percentage of males being convicted of sexual assault than females, and they say "teach men not to rape" When you say "Islam is at fault," [I]you are doing the exact same thing[/I]. You ignore all the other factors that play a role in this. I for one, as an atheist, applaud the movement to a more secular society. However, blaming an entire religion for all these problems is lazy. It solves nothing, divides us more, and ironically, prevents people from becoming more secular.

???? I know I was clear, but let me reiterate: prove that this is not an actual phenomena as described. I'm not arguing for or against Islam in this thread. [editline]edited for formatting and stuff[/editline] Nobody has provided a source that some (the same some that's claimed to be a minority of immigrants) immigrant men aren't making a game of gang rape, by the way. That was my point, nobody's actually refuted either the BBC or RT's reporting on this and until they do it isn't unreasonable to say "wow, this is fucking disgusting." Argue it any way you want by the way, call it culture or pull up all sorts of other ancillary factors like peer pressure or poverty, but you're actually beginning to defend rapists raping women. (I'm not saying you are, by the way, but you're getting close to that territory and I'd hate to see you trapped there) I'm not going to explain to you how that's a bad thing or how that would be hypocritical given your overall point.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49515148]Nobody has explicitly pointed out that "taharrush" isn't a slang term for an actual phenomena that's been reported by RT and by the BBC. It would be reasonable to assume that the phrase, "altaharrush al-jinsi" (probably butchering that shit since Arabic is not something I am remotely good at) is the origin of such slang, probably parallel with the short-hand term describing actual sexual violence used by the Mubarak regime. (as you've pointed out by the way) We appreciate you pointing that out, but it doesn't demonstrate that "taharrush" (which means "harassment" directly translated, btw) is not the term used by groups of young immigrant men for prowling around in search of a hot piece of ass they can force themselves on.[/QUOTE] That's fine and dandy but I meant the gamea part.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;49510266]What more can one say.[/QUOTE] That you made a really, really misleading title by either deliberate manipulation or misunderstanding of the article.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49513010] Do we have more stories of friends of peoples sisters boyfriends or aunt of the dogsitter of our neighbours or something? I think there's a lot to learn here.[/QUOTE] Are we gonna play "my anecdotal evidence is of more worth than yours" again?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49515258]That's fine and dandy but I meant the gamea part.[/QUOTE]... I don't precisely understand what you're saying here? "Gamea" (not the transliteration I would have gone with but whatev) in this context means "mass" or "group" so I'm not exactly your point. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] So were you pointing out that an Arabic word that started with the letter G (really more of a j sound) and the word "game" are not actually the same thing? I'm not sure the articles were confused about that, but okay.

[QUOTE=kweh;49515371]Are we gonna play "my anecdotal evidence is of more worth than yours" again?[/QUOTE] Obviously. He lived in all of the Middle East and knows everyone there in person.

[QUOTE=V12US;49515717]Obviously. He lived in all of the Middle East and knows everyone there in person.[/QUOTE] There needs to be multiple perspectives in order for it to be considered valid. I haven't met drug dealers in Texas before, but it doesn't mean that they're nonexistent in that state. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Fayez;49512581][T]https://i.imgur.com/8pCHY7m.png[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/8pCHY7m.png[/T] 2% of Afghanis use internet yet over 84% of them say they use social media sites. Okay. 30% of Indonesians said they didn't consider Sunnis to be Muslim despite over 99% of Indonesian Muslims being Sunni. 45% of respondents in Pakistan, 51% in Bangladesh, 55% in Indonesia (but just 6% in Afghanistan, 9% in Egypt, 11% in Iraq, 16% in Jordan, and 3% in Lebanon) said that "reciting poetry or singing in praise of God" is unacceptable under Islam. Which is simply ridiculous. Over 40% of Albanians did not believe in Heaven or Hell. A similar amount of both Albanians and Bosnians did not believe in angels. Which seems to run contrary to the other results regarding religiosity (since most African respondents prayed and had the highest mosque attendance out of anyone). 22% of Bengalis did not believe in predestination or the divine decree (kismat/qadar), a core article of faith in both Sunni and Shi'ite Islam. Nearly a quarter to a third of Arab respondents did not believe in the existence of djinns, although this too is a core article of faith in both Sunni and Shi'ite Islam (the devil is a djinn... one would expect that most of these respondents believed in the existence of the devil which would indicate they were not aware of a basic tenet of Islamic theology lifted straight from the literal verses of the Qur'an). 45% of Indonesians also did not believe in djinn (this reached majorities in Central Asia and Europe, except for Turkey). [B]72% of Albanians did believe in the Shahadah (that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad (saw) is His Messenger). [/B] This is the equivalent of a Christian saying that Jesus wasn't the son of God. Which is strange considering 95% of Albanians said they were raised as Muslim. If you looked beyond the parts of the poll that supported your world views you would see how flawed it is.[/QUOTE] Which denomination of Islam do you belong to? Correct beliefs vary by denomination.