• RIGGED: Donald Trump Says Early Voting Lines Are Evidence of 'Rigged' System
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[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;51319174]Yeah, someone needs to explain this outrage to me. As long as no one's voting twice, what's the dealio[/QUOTE] Basically he's mad that a "certain group" (AKA Latinos voting Democrat) were able to vote past the closing time of an early polling place. This is perfectly normal. Once the polling place "closes" nobody is allowed into the line anymore. Anyone still in line is given time to get up and vote no matter how long it takes. There's no evidence that they let people into the line after the closing time. The GOP really doesn't like when minorities vote since they tend to lean Democrat. Add in something that doesn't sound right if you don't know how the process works and you can make it sound rigged.
imo its stupid that polls even have a closing time, they should be 24 hours the week prior to the election.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51319262]imo its stupid that polls even have a closing time, they should be 24 hours the week prior to the election.[/QUOTE] People gotta sleep and there's no point in keeping open for hours on end in the middle of the night when no one is going to come. That's just a waste of money.
Here's a video of the statements mentioned in the article: [video=youtube;f6DEuIF9Vus]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DEuIF9Vus&feature=youtu.be&t=237[/video] 3:57 if the time tag doesn't work. [sp]Republican McParty[/sp]
[QUOTE=phaedon;51319302]Here's a video of the statements mentioned in the article: [video=youtube;f6DEuIF9Vus]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DEuIF9Vus&feature=youtu.be&t=237[/video] 3:57 if the time tag doesn't work. [sp]Republican McParty[/sp][/QUOTE] Gotta love how much she's dodging the question
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51319276]People gotta sleep and there's no point in keeping open for hours on end in the middle of the night when no one is going to come. That's just a waste of money.[/QUOTE] people work nightshift jobs all over the country, and you would be surprised how many people get off of work way past the polling hours (7pm here)
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51319397]people work nightshift jobs all over the country, and you would be surprised how many people get off of work way past the polling hours (7pm here)[/QUOTE] I work 3pm to midnight. I can easily get up at noon and vote, which is my plan for Tuesday.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51319397]people work nightshift jobs all over the country, and you would be surprised how many people get off of work way past the polling hours (7pm here)[/QUOTE] Employers are legally required to give you the entire election day off if requested (two hours of which have to be paid,) but I really see no reason why you can't keep the polling places open round the clock if they're staffed well enough.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51319405]I work 3pm to midnight. I can easily get up at noon and vote, which is my plan for Tuesday.[/QUOTE] my point is it would be much easier to have the polls open 24/7 than have workarounds the entire time.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51319302]Here's a video of the statements mentioned in the article: [video=youtube;f6DEuIF9Vus]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DEuIF9Vus&feature=youtu.be&t=237[/video] 3:57 if the time tag doesn't work. [sp]Republican McParty[/sp][/QUOTE] @7:40, is she seriously trying to call Hillary out on campaigning? Something that literally every candidate up for election does? :v:
She's saying that Clinton is scurrying to defend her firewall now, while a month ago she was winning in a landslide. Trump in the meantime, is following a much more aggressive strategy by campaigning in blue states. The reality of the situation is that Clinton is winning and Trump is losing. As such, Clinton is taking the conservative approach by trying to ensure that Trump won't pull any surprises in formerly loyal states. Trump needs these electoral votes to win, so it makes sense that he's playing very aggressively.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51319276]People gotta sleep and there's no point in keeping open for hours on end in the middle of the night when no one is going to come. That's just a waste of money.[/QUOTE] I think the point is that there's an implication here that come closing time, there's still multiple people in line and people still turning up that will be turned away due to being late... That seems like an obvious sign that there's not enough time to vote. Clearly, the ideal would be for [I]everyone[/I] to get to vote? The idea of being outraged at a polling station staying open for [I]too long[/I] seems really outrageous to me. Shouldn't that be seen as honorable and selfless? Wow, these guys are working overtime just to let everyone vote! But no, apparently that's bad? I'm starting to get the feeling that America in a broader perspective has far too little control over how voting works.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51319405]I work 3pm to midnight. I can easily get up at noon and vote, which is my plan for Tuesday.[/QUOTE] Why not absentee vote and sleep in?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51319417]my point is it would be much easier to have the polls open 24/7 than have workarounds the entire time.[/QUOTE] Okay no one votes between the hours of 11pm and 8am but they're staffed and open. That's a waste of money and time, plain and simple. [editline]6th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;51319647]Why not absentee vote and sleep in?[/QUOTE] I don't like sleeping in, personally.
Donald Trump certainly isn't an average politician, alright. Many politicians make promises before they're elected, and don't follow up on them after they're elected. Donald Trump? He blatantly lies during his campaigning, and gets caught out on them [i]during[/i] his campaigning. It's shocking how so many Americans can contemplate voting for Trump anyways. They've done a few surveys on it here, and [b]only 11% of Australians would vote for Trump[/b], if they were able to. His persistent fear-mongering, awful policies, constant lying, and dictator-like tendencies are just abhorrent, and almost half of voting Americans seem okay with that?
[QUOTE=BF;51320080]Donald Trump certainly isn't an average politician, alright. Many politicians make promises before they're elected, and don't follow up on them after they're elected. Donald Trump? He blatantly lies during his campaigning, and gets caught out on them [i]during[/i] his campaigning. It's shocking how so many Americans can contemplate voting for Trump anyways. They've done a few surveys on it here, and [b]only 11% of Australians would vote for Trump[/b], if they were able to. His persistent fear-mongering, awful policies, constant lying, and dictator-like tendencies are just abhorrent, and almost half of voting Americans seem okay with that?[/QUOTE] Two things you got wrong: Statistically, politicians complete majority of their promises on some level or form. And secondly, Trump is not a politician. He's never had a political office, never been elected, has no experience in such things other than being a whiny asshole on twitter.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51320243]Two things you got wrong: Statistically, politicians complete majority of their promises on some level or form. And secondly, Trump is not a politician. He's never had a political office, never been elected, has no experience in such things other than being a whiny asshole on twitter.[/QUOTE] Doesn't make the second part of their post wrong. They [I]did[/I] claim Trump isn't an average politician. Anyone who isn't a politician or falls outside the spectrum of whatever an average politician entails would qualify.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51320243]Two things you got wrong: Statistically, politicians complete majority of their promises on some level or form. And secondly, Trump is not a politician. He's never had a political office, never been elected, has no experience in such things other than being a whiny asshole on twitter.[/QUOTE] Hey woah I'm not the enemy haha, you don't need to be pedantic. Sorry for the vague wording on 'many', but I promise I'm not one of those 'fuck politics' kinds of people. I used 'many' to differentiate Trump from what other people usually think of politicians. Of which Trump is, ever since he decided to run a professional, year-long, multi-million (or even billion?) dollar campaign for the most-powerful political office in the world.
Is the US electoral system really so inefficient as to have 3 hour long queues? [editline]7th November 2016[/editline] Or do they just not expect anybody to vote?
[QUOTE=abcpea2;51320603]Is the US electoral system really so inefficient as to have 3 hour long queues? [editline]7th November 2016[/editline] Or do they just not expect anybody to vote?[/QUOTE] Depends where you are, places like where I live voting early takes like 10 minutes max, some places just need more places where you can vote.
[QUOTE=abcpea2;51320603]Is the US electoral system really so inefficient as to have 3 hour long queues? [editline]7th November 2016[/editline] Or do they just not expect anybody to vote?[/QUOTE] It depends on the area. The system works fine in areas with plenty of voting places. The problem is that some areas are really sparse in terms of voting places, blame Republicans for that I suppose. There was a much higher turnout of Latinos doing early-voting, so the polling place might not have been prepared for everyone. The simple solution would be more polling places, but that isn't going to happen sadly.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51319416]Employers are legally required to give you the entire election day off if requested (two hours of which have to be paid,) but I really see no reason why you can't keep the polling places open round the clock if they're staffed well enough.[/QUOTE] Those laws protecting voting exist on a state by state basis and aren't nearly universal. In my own state (Virginia), there are absolutely no laws requiring an employer to allow you any time at all to vote for any election.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51320243]Two things you got wrong: Statistically, politicians complete majority of their promises on some level or form. And secondly, Trump is not a politician. He's never had a political office, never been elected, has no experience in such things other than being a whiny asshole on twitter.[/QUOTE] I asked someone to explain how business experience transposes to political executive experience and their reply was "explain how it's not". I was dumbfounded
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;51327602]Those laws protecting voting exist on a state by state basis and aren't nearly universal. In my own state (Virginia), there are absolutely no laws requiring an employer to allow you any time at all to vote for any election.[/QUOTE] I imagine that for people who only get Sunday off this must be really tough, but what's stopping you from voting early? Long lines or the voting places being too far away?
[QUOTE=phaedon;51329224]I imagine that for people who only get Sunday off this must be really tough, but what's stopping you from voting early? Long lines or the voting places being too far away?[/QUOTE] I work from 9 to 7 today and I work an hour and a half away from home. I simply didn't have time to wake up this morning and stand in line to vote, neither will I have time after work
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51329333]I work from 9 to 7 today and I work an hour and a half away from home. I simply didn't have time to wake up this morning and stand in line to vote, neither will I have time after work[/QUOTE] Do you live in a state that doesn't have early voting days before the election? [QUOTE=Kylel999;51329451]No im pretty sure we can mail our ballots in early I'm just stupid and didn't do it because I didn't even think ahead about my hours or if I was even working today[/QUOTE] Sorry to hear that man, hope you're able to vote next time.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51329386]Do you live in a state that doesn't have early voting days before the election?[/QUOTE] No im pretty sure we can mail our ballots in early I'm just stupid and didn't do it because I didn't even think ahead about my hours or if I was even working today
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51329333]I work from 9 to 7 today and I work an hour and a half away from home. I simply didn't have time to wake up this morning and stand in line to vote, neither will I have time after work[/QUOTE] a lot of states have regulations essentially saying your employer HAS to let you take time to vote, even provide a number of paid hours off to do so [url]http://www.findlaw.com/voting-rights-law.html[/url] try to negotiate getting out of work early so you have the time to travel home (and don't have to travel back). So long as you're [I]in line[/I] to vote by the time the polls close, [B]you're allowed to stay in line until you've voted[/B]
Don't polls stay open if people are still in line? They can't turn those people away, can they? They can keep people from entering the line after a certain point, but I'm pretty sure they have to let the people still in line vote, no matter how long it takes. I posted this in the wrong thread woops but my question was answered anyway lol.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51329224]I imagine that for people who only get Sunday off this must be really tough, but what's stopping you from voting early? Long lines or the voting places being too far away?[/QUOTE] Early voting is indeed an option but that doesn't account for things like those who might need to work unexpectedly, that not every single reason can be accepted for voting early, and that a lot of people just don't know about voting early. Not to mention that early voting doesn't even exist in 13 states. It would just be simpler to have a blanket federal time off for voting in the general.
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