Colorado Theater Shooting Victims and Relatives Demand Guns Be Discussed In Upcoming Presidential De - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891635]Yeah I don't get why you would want more than one car either.[/QUOTE] for fun??? god forbid someone wants to have fun in a way that doesn't involve sitting at a computer

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;37891658]Because the 2nd Amendment is no greater nor lesser than any of the other Amendments, if one can be taken away then the others can be as well. And you know what would make my life and the lives of other Americans enormously better? A Government that didn't see fit to declare pointless wars which have dragged our economy into the shitter, that didn't see fit to pursue policies that empower criminal organizations to the point that those organizations pose a serious threat to innocent people both at home and abroad. How about a Government that strives to expand and create new technologies that better the lives of everyone? The US Government doesn't do a single one of those.[/QUOTE] I don't think you have any idea how hard it is to get re-elected without starting a war or killing someone everyone hates in their first term.

[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;37891654]Then you probably don't feel like having several pair of pants or chairs either. Enjoy your communist/hippie nirvana.[/QUOTE] slippery slope! [QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;37891624]How the fuck is it a mexican standoff? People aren't threatening eachother. If you put everyone in a shooting situation in a circle, to have a "standoff", EVERYONE would know that the guy that all of a sudden draws a gun is trying to kill the rest. Whoever had weapons would shoot him so that he could not shoot [I]anyone[/I].[/QUOTE] It just seems to me that everyone owning guns isn't real safety. [editline]2nd October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;37891666]for fun??? god forbid someone wants to have fun in a way that doesn't involve sitting at a computer[/QUOTE] They should really choose a cheaper hobby.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891790]slippery slope! It just seems to me that everyone owning guns isn't real safety.[/QUOTE] No shit sherlock. Nobody's safe until everyone's living in that drugged up imagination land you're expecting, where nobody wishes harm upon everyone, and things never go wrong. When that day comes, I'll stop locking my door, car, safe and cellphone. I'll approve of firearms that are restricted to the shooting range itself, perhaps fastened with a 4inch thick steel wire. I'll forget anything about self-defense and self-preservation, as I know the government will be there for me if ANYTHING should EVER go wrong, even though NObODY has a gun or the means to defend themselves. [B]Thanks habsburg. Now we finally know how to be safe. We just make the people that want to do harm upon others [U]not want to[/U].[/B] [editline]3rd October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Habsburg;37891790] They should really choose a cheaper hobby.[/QUOTE] Here you go again with that weird thing that makes me mention communist/hippie nirvana. And you're saying people shouldn't have stuff they like/feel they need because you mean you don't want/need it.

safety is not necessary i'd rather live ~edgy~

is it possible for you to disagree with someone without being pissy and condescending about it?

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891881]is it possible for you to disagree with someone without being pissy and condescending about it?[/QUOTE] the man's out of arguin' juice fire off a round in celebration

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891881]is it possible for you to disagree with someone without being pissy and condescending about it?[/QUOTE] Would it be possible for you to come up with an argument for the next time you try arguing? Cause so far it seems like you're just saying nothing but "I don't understand"

[QUOTE=Neat!;37891895]the man's out of arguin' juice fire off a round in celebration[/QUOTE] Why bother when people are making things up and arguing against that instead.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891918]Why bother when people are making things up and arguing against that instead.[/QUOTE] i'm just happy that no anti-gun legislation will ever pass in the current economic climate obongo ain't gonna take yer gunz, his AWB shit is just air if it's not, it'll expire in like a few years anyway

[QUOTE=Neat!;37891949]i'm just happy that no anti-gun legislation will ever pass in the current economic climate obongo ain't gonna take yer gunz, his AWB shit is just air if it's not, it'll expire in like a few years anyway[/QUOTE] I think most presidents coming up in the next 20 or so years would understand that openly restricting guns is a bad way to get elected/re-elected in the US.

[QUOTE=Neat!;37891949]i'm just happy that no anti-gun legislation will ever pass in the current economic climate obongo ain't gonna take yer gunz, his AWB shit is just air if it's not, it'll expire in like a few years anyway[/QUOTE] gun culture in america is the worst I swear

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891997]gun culture in america is the worst I swear[/QUOTE] yeah it's bad, but the problem is with the people, not the guns. again, switzerland has enormous gun ownership, but they're a great country because good welfare and shit. their culture is also much less violent than ours honestly i don't think americans deserve guns since we can't handle them, but since we have them, i want to keep them because they're fun. i put a glock on my bat so i can rat-a-tat-tat while im bustin ma gat

[QUOTE=Habsburg;37891997]gun culture in america is the worst I swear[/QUOTE] Yeah you kinda stated that you don't like guns and american gun culture and guns for safety and all that. It's pretty much all you've been saying, and any reply followed up with "you don't/i don't think you need guns".

[QUOTE=Neat!;37892020]yeah it's bad, but the problem is with the people, not the guns. again, switzerland has enormous gun ownership, but they're a great country because good welfare and shit. their culture is also much less violent than ours honestly i don't think americans deserve guns since we can't handle them, but since we have them, i want to keep them because they're fun. i put a glock on my bat so i can rat-a-tat-tat while im bustin ma gat[/QUOTE] well switzerland is also far far smaller and has compulsory military service

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37892053]well switzerland is also far far smaller and has compulsory military service[/QUOTE] again, compulsory military service would be great for america we'd still have some shittier areas, but on the whole it'd be nicer also more people would be healthy and shit [sub]and i can finally own a full-auto deagle[/sub]

[QUOTE=Ridge;37891287]0% of felons can legally own firearms.[/QUOTE] So you can't read either? Or were you just tossing that out there for fun? [QUOTE]30% of violent felons could have [B]legally [I]obtained[/I][/B] guns.[/QUOTE] 70% of violent felons could not have legally owned a firearm [I]prior to their commission of a violent felony.[/I] 30% of them [I]could.[/I] Because, you know, beforehand they [I]were not felons.[/I]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37892071]So you can't read either? Or were you just tossing that out there for fun? 70% of violent felons could not have legally owned a firearm [I]prior to their commission of a violent felony.[/I] 30% of them [I]could.[/I] Because, you know, beforehand they [I]were not felons.[/I][/QUOTE] background checks and waiting periods for suspicious buyers would do a good service to society the gunshow "loophole" isn't even a loophole, they just don't require a full background check before they give you the gun. you just have to give them your information. fix that shit and we would have fewer legal guns in criminal hands [sub]still want that full-auto deagle[/sub]

[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;37892033]Yeah you kinda stated that you don't like guns and american gun culture and guns for safety and all that. It's pretty much all you've been saying, and any reply followed up with "you don't/i don't think you need guns".[/QUOTE] When did I say that?

[QUOTE=Neat!;37891949]i'm just happy that no anti-gun legislation will ever pass in the current economic climate obongo ain't gonna take yer gunz, his AWB shit is just air if it's not, it'll expire in like a few years anyway[/QUOTE] Mitt Romney signed a permanent AWB into place as governor. It never expires. It has to be removed by passing more legislation to do so.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37892071]So you can't read either? Or were you just tossing that out there for fun? 70% of violent felons could not have legally owned a firearm [I]prior to their commission of a violent felony.[/I] 30% of them [I]could.[/I] Because, you know, beforehand they [I]were not felons.[/I][/QUOTE] See here's the thing, felons still get guns even though it's illegal for them to do so. Y'know, because they're criminals. I know I keep coming back to this point, but there's no good reason to prevent law-abiding citizens like ourselves from buying guns to deter people who want to hurt us.

America really ought to change their system of imprisonment so it's more about punishment than rehabilitation. Maybe crime wouldn't be the only thing these felons had to rely on then.

you guys do realise that widespread gun ownership, with the justification being say protection from criminals is actually indicating there's a serious problem with your country

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37896031]you guys do realise that widespread gun ownership, with the justification being say protection from criminals is actually indicating there's a serious problem with your country[/QUOTE] that's just an excuse because people don't take "i want it" seriously anymore

[QUOTE=Neat!;37896108]that's just an excuse because people don't take "i want it" seriously anymore[/QUOTE] do you need it

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37896428]do you need it[/QUOTE] [del]i'll shoot you for that[/del] but we can find a way to both have them and reduce violence there is always a way

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37896428]do you need it[/QUOTE] Think of it this way: Do we need model train sets? Do we need vintage muscle cars when we have a modern hybrid? It's a hobby, and like any other hobby it is harmless when done properly. Saying that it [i]could[/i] hurt someone isn't a good reason to disallow it. Besides, some people actually do need guns for defensive reasons. I have a friend who works as a surveyor and carries a .44 magnum for bear protection. Farmers use guns to protect their livestock from predators. "Defense" covers far more than just human attackers.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37896428]do you need it[/QUOTE] Is this actually necessity or consumerism need?

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;37896629]It's a hobby, and like any other hobby it is harmless when done properly.[/QUOTE] Except it's not a hobby. The argument many pro-gun users have in this thread is: [quote]It's for self-defence/prevents government from stamping on your rights[/quote] Now, I wish to ask this: 1. Does increased gun ownership help reduce crime, homicides, rape, etc? 2. Does it actually prevent the government from infringing on your rights?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37896679]Except it's not a hobby. The argument many pro-gun users have in this thread is: Now, I wish to ask this: 1. Does increased gun ownership help reduce crime, homicides, rape, etc? 2. Does it actually prevent the government from infringing on your rights?[/QUOTE] except it is a hobby i don't need one for self defense, or to start my own revolution (americans can't liberate shit), but i do love to go out in the desert with my dad and shoot at some steel targets