Yeah it was still racist because they'd see Asians and automatically take them, doesn't mean they didn't still take white people for reasons they knew about. Race just "made it easier" for them to figure out your family's origin. If you try to get rid of all descendants of foreigners and you see Asians etc in a white country you'd "just know" but for white people it'd take some identification
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
Basically it's like
Asian = they knew just based on that
White = check their family background
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]You'll take any random opportunity to jab trump won't you? What does trump have anything to do with Bernie not being what people wanted? This thread is about Hillary being a shitter and Bernie trading his credibility for partisan bullshit. This is why people don't listen to your rants about trump.
Doesn't make sense either, you hated Trump from the beginning how the fuck did he disappoint you?
This. The people who vehemently hate Trump like a broken record and "no bad tactics" are the reason there's so many of them now, it's not entirely because of Hillary, we [i]had[/i] Bernie for awhile. When you start looking like a bigger dumbfuck asshole than your opposition you only help that opposition. When someone views debate and sees shit similar to the "ARE YOU KIDDING ME, FUCKING WHITE MALE" video happening, who do you think they're gonna find more rational?
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
Everyone at sandersforpresident is losing their shit because he was a 3rd party previously or something and his support would help him and 3rd party in general in 4 years even if he lost and what does he do?
A complete 180. He thinks he's stopping big bad trump or something but he's really just hurting his rep and his supporters were NeverHillary anyways so this was an idiotic move. He put it all on Jill now.[/QUOTE]
This thread is about Bernie compromising on his goals to achieve even some of them instead of literally none of them. The people who only now just started following politics are shocked and offended by this because they don't realize that Bernie's decision to stick with the DNC and push it left is 100% in line with his goals. That's what he wanted to do all along. He didn't succeed getting the nomination, so he's doing literally everything else he can do to shift the DNC left and make a genuinely progressive party - him endorsing Hillary is both in line with the rhetoric he's had since the beginning of his campaign and gives him a major advantage in negotiating with the DNC to move it left.
The fact that /r/sanders4president and other Bernie-supporter sites went overboard anti-Hillary instead of pro-Bernie is evidence enough that these people don't care about the "positive message" Bernie wanted to send or the genuine change in political climate that he's been campaigning for this entire time. I couldn't go on /r/s4p when it got so absurdly anti-Hillary that the entire message of Bernie's campaign got overrun and it got co-opted by people so absurdly uncompromising and unrelenting in their hatred of Hillary that they forgot that Bernie has been friends with Hillary for 25 years and would murder a puppy before he would spoil the election and hand the presidency to Trump.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]You'll take any random opportunity to jab trump won't you? What does trump have anything to do with Bernie not being what people wanted? This thread is about Hillary being a shitter and Bernie trading his credibility for partisan bullshit. This is why people don't listen to your rants about trump. [/QUOTE]
Well people don't listen to my rants about Trump but I certainly hope they read them.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]Doesn't make sense either, you hated Trump from the beginning how the fuck did he disappoint you?[/QUOTE]
Trump didn't disappoint me. America did.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]This. The people who vehemently hate Trump like a broken record and "no bad tactics" are the reason there's so many of them now, it's not entirely because of Hillary, we [I]had[/I] Bernie for awhile. [/QUOTE]
I've never seen "no bad tactics" used in context of anti-Trump rhetoric on FP so you are going to have to explain that one.
Also presumably the people who vehemently hate Clinton like a broken record should shut up to? If not, maybe your problem is that you just can't stand criticism of Trump. In which case I'd advise leaving the internet for the next few months because it's not going away any time soon.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]When you start looking like a bigger dumbfuck asshole than your opposition you only help that opposition. [/QUOTE]
In fairness it is [I]really [/I]hard to look more like a big dumbfuck asshole than a typical Trump supporter.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]When someone views debate and sees shit similar to the "ARE YOU KIDDING ME, FUCKING WHITE MALE" video happening, who do you think they're gonna find more rational?[/QUOTE]
"Debate". Get the fuck out of here. You don't want a debate. You want a one sided echo chamber where five threads are made a day about how Clinton should be hanged for treason but can't stand criticism of Trump even when it's repeatedly delivered to you in perfectly rational terms and because you cant stand it you compare it to the low hanging fruit and dismiss it out of hand.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]Everyone at sandersforpresident is losing their shit because he was a 3rd party previously or something and his support would help him and 3rd party in general in 4 years even if he lost and what does he do?[/QUOTE]
he uh he does the thing that anyone with eyeballs and a brain older than 8 years old would have assumed he would do. He wasn't talking about this strategy months ago for no reason dude.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699305]A complete 180. He thinks he's stopping big bad trump or something but he's really just hurting his rep and his supporters were NeverHillary anyways so this was an idiotic move. He put it all on Jill now.[/QUOTE]
Not every Sanders supporter is neverhillary. If his objective is to stop Trump (big bad is right, he would be a REALLY BAD president) than Clinton is his best option. Even with his support being Stein, someone he agrees with about as much as Clinton anyway, that would just split the vote and achieve the opposite of what he wants. It's not idiotic, it's perfectly logical, and as ever I genuinely can't tell if people like yourself and the other usual suspects in this thread are actually disappointed or just poisoning the well.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699438]Basically it's like
[B]Asian = they knew just based on that[/B]
White = check their family background[/QUOTE]
Considering how a lot of people of east asian ethnicity have similar facial features (see: the Japanese compared to the Koreans), I doubt they wouldn't have had to check their backgrounds as well.
Also, it can pretty easy to tell what country a white person is descended from based on their last names, especially if they're German or Italian.
"Trump didn't disappoint me America did"
Christ the edge
Also gotta love how you wrote a manifesto telling me who I support and what I believe in.
If everyone who disagrees with you or thinks you're being shitty supports trump it'd be pretty hard for him to lose
Edit:
"Well people don't listen to my rants about Trump but I certainly hope they read them."
So you really are a child aren't you
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50699478]Well people don't listen to my rants about Trump but I certainly hope they read them. [/QUOTE]
From my experience, people do neither.
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699501]"Trump didn't disappoint me America did"
Christ the edge[/QUOTE]
Hey man, I work at a fast food joint and I find ways to get disappointed in America every time an order comes through.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;50699502]Hey man, I work at a fast food joint and I find ways to get disappointed in America every time an order comes through.[/QUOTE]
It's phrasing and context I guess, this doesn't sound nearly as cringe
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
Also as long as we're talking about candidates that aren't hillary and Bernie for some reason, what happened to Ron Paul? He was last elections Bernie from what I remember
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50699478]Well people don't listen to my rants about Trump but I certainly hope they read them. [/QUOTE]
nnnope not that either
I'm not surprised, just disappointed. Clinton is a criminal and Trump is an ignorant bigot. What an awful election.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699523]Also as long as we're talking about candidates that aren't hillary and Bernie for some reason, what happened to Ron Paul? He was last elections Bernie from what I remember[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul just got too old, and lost interest I guess. Plus his son ran for the GOP anyways.
Case in fucking point.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699501]
Christ the edge[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699501]So you really are a child aren't you[/QUOTE]
You ignored the substantive parts of my post to snipe at sarcastic jabs.
I stand by what I said: Plenty of rational arguments against Trump, his rhetoric, and his policy stances have been offered. They are readily available. There are even a few in this thread. But instead you go for the low hanging fruit, rely on ad hominem ("Look how ridiculous these other anti-Trump folks are, you guys must be the same!"), and concern troll about how criticizing Trump is actually strengthening his base.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699501]Also gotta love how you wrote a manifesto telling me who I support and what I believe in.
If everyone who disagrees with you or thinks you're being shitty supports trump it'd be pretty hard for him to lose[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily think you support Trump. I think you want people to stop criticizing him for some reason though.
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50699569]nnnope not that either[/QUOTE]
Not very convincing considering you quoted the words :v:
[QUOTE=Bathtub;50699583]I'm not surprised, just disappointed. Clinton is a criminal and Trump is an ignorant bigot. What an awful election.[/QUOTE]
By your standards of criminal Trump is one of those as well so it's a criminal or an ignorant bigoted criminal.
Not to suggest that makes one better or worse than the other, just for accuracy's sake.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50699470]
The fact that /r/sanders4president and other Bernie-supporter sites went overboard anti-Hillary instead of pro-Bernie is evidence enough that these people don't care about the "positive message[/QUOTE]
Nah, Bernie was meant to be the savior of the election both because he was nice and because the other options had their issues. I don't see how having issues with the criminal means you didn't actually like Bernie's previous statements
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
Yeah I ignored the so called "substantive" parts because you're spewing garbage and I'm tired of it
The only point I see in your rambling was a conspiracy theory that I support trump and want to censor everyone who speaks ill and that I only respect Jill as an option because I want to "divide the votes"
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
"By your standards of calling Hillary criminal trump and hillary are equally criminal"
That's fucking laughable no matter which side you're on except maybe hardcore hill
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699610]Nah, Bernie was meant to be the savior of the election both because he was nice[/QUOTE]
[I]Literally [/I]his point. Bernie is seen as a savior figure because of his rhetoric. Populism supplanted practicality and rhetoric became more important than policy until we get the the inevitable day where he endorses the person who he agrees with on 95% of the issues and people cry out that he "endorses everything he was against" when in reality he is a career politician who has worked with the Democrats his entire life and would rather see nominal progressive policies pushed and existing ones kept in place rather than voting for the clown that denies climate change and bankrupt the federal government.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;50699588]Ron Paul just got too old, and lost interest I guess. Plus his son ran for the GOP anyways.[/QUOTE]
Did he flat out quit on his own or
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699633]Did he flat out quit on his own or[/QUOTE]
I guess so.
[url]http://www.ronpaul.com/ron-paul-for-president/ronpaul2016/[/url]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699610]
Yeah I ignored the so called "substantive" parts because you're spewing garbage and I'm tired of it
The only point I see in your rambling was a conspiracy theory that I support trump and want to censor everyone who speaks ill and that I only respect Jill as an option because I want to "divide the votes"[/QUOTE]
In fairness to you I left the door open to genuine ignorance of how elections work regarding your simultaneous support of Trump and Stein but you [B]did [/B]explicitly said you don't want people to criticize Trump on SH.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699610]"By your standards of calling Hillary criminal trump and hillary are equally criminal"
That's fucking laughable no matter which side you're on except maybe hardcore hill[/QUOTE]
Trump is in active litigation for a fraud suit and has a history of run-ins with the law and could very well have evaded paying taxes.
If you don't want to vote for a criminal this election it looks like you are going third party.
No I never said that but ok
Also simultaneous support of trump and stein? What the hell are you talking about
Edit:
Also to say underling fraud and theoretical tax evasion compares to the terrible shit Hillary's got on her plate is pretty weird
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699693]No I never said that but ok
Also simultaneous support of trump and stein? What the hell are you talking about
Edit:
Also to say underling fraud and theoretical tax evasion compares to the terrible shit Hillary's got on her plate is pretty weird[/QUOTE]
I explicitly said it doesn't make one better than the other :v:
I thought you were saying they were equal crimes my bad
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699610]Nah, Bernie was meant to be the savior of the election both because he was nice and because the other options had their issues.[/QUOTE]
This kind of mentality is a lot like when people thought the country would immediately turn around when Obama was elected into office.
No it's not, specifically said the election not the world. Without Bernie you're left with Hillary/Trump and he's supposed to be the decent one in a lot of eyes
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699693]No I never said that but ok
Also simultaneous support of trump and stein? What the hell are you talking about
Edit:
Also to say underling fraud and theoretical tax evasion compares to the terrible shit Hillary's got on her plate is pretty weird[/QUOTE]
what is it exactly that hillary has under her plate?
like I get that she's a weasel and the email shit was stupid but people talk like she's been convicted of fucking murder or something
Benghazi for starters
edit:
the implications of the emails and that people who are set to testify against her get a sudden case of chronic suicidal depression just a bit before multiple times doesn't help either
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699873]Benghazi for starters
edit:
the implications of the emails and that people who are set to testify against her get a sudden case of chronic suicidal depression just a bit before multiple times doesn't help either[/QUOTE]
correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to recall there being a fuckton of investigations into benghazi, all of which turned up jack shit
is there a reason you're bringing up that talking point?
still voting Jill on principle.
Hillary clearly didn't need my support to win D seat. She doesn't need my support to win Presidency.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699873]Benghazi for starters
edit:
the implications of the emails and that people who are set to testify against her get a sudden case of chronic suicidal depression just a bit before multiple times doesn't help either[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously insinuating Clinton had people assassinated? Too deep in the conservative rabbit hole.
I don't think Benghazi is closed yet and I really don't believe I've seen anything saying she's been proven innocent, and I'm pretty sure she wasn't involved in the investigations until they found something about her
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50699904]the conservative rabbit hole.[/QUOTE]
I'm not conservative
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699915]I don't think Benghazi is closed yet and I really don't believe I've seen anything saying she's been proven innocent, and I'm pretty sure she wasn't involved in the investigations until they found something about her
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
I'm not conservative[/QUOTE]
Insane conspiracy theories about the clintons are very popular among the right wing. I'm not saying you're conservative, but that kind of stuff is definitely steeped in conservative thought.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699915]I don't think Benghazi is closed yet and I really don't believe I've seen anything saying she's been proven innocent, and I'm pretty sure she wasn't involved in the investigations until they found something about her[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure the way the law works is you prove guilt, not innocence
that's what innocent until proven guilty means
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50699924]I'm pretty sure the way the law works is you prove guilt, not innocence[/QUOTE]
That's correct but I was saying I believe it's still ongoing and that they found something suggesting guilt and that's whats going on, I haven't seen anything suggesting they aren't
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