[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699940]That's correct but I was saying I believe it's still ongoing and that they found something suggesting guilt and that's whats going on, I haven't seen anything suggesting they aren't[/QUOTE]
oh well you think they might have found something that suggests guilt
well clearly she's a serial killer, I'm sorry for ever doubting you
So it's fine to say Trump's guilty of fraud because some of his employees at the U are shady but if there's a reasonable case that Hillary is to blame for Benghazi we should rule it out?
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Either which way Benghazi is for starters its not the only thing. I could've sworn the emails incident was related to almost all of them. Besides unsecure sending I was pretty sure she scrubbed evidence
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699952]So it's fine to say Trump's guilty of fraud because his underling is shady but if there's a reasonable case that Hillary is to blame for Benghazi we should rule it out?[/QUOTE]
it's fine to say Trump's a lying con man because he's stated on court record that he lied about what trump university was and what his role was in it but it isn't fine to say Hillary is a criminal because there might be evidence that she's guilty of something somewhere?
yeah, kinda
I mean come on man, I'm totally ready to be redpilled about crooked shillary. Please show me how she's so much worse than Trump is.
Hold up, where's that at
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50699967]Hold up, where's that at[/QUOTE]
[quote] "I looked at every resume. I met with some people," he said. "I didn't meet with everybody. It's not my main business. I did this to help people."
But as first reported by Yahoo News' Michael Isakoff, during a December 2015 deposition for one of the pending cases, Trump changed his tune.
"I don't know the people. I wasn't running it. I don't know the people," Trump responded when asked who the Trump University instructors were and whether they were qualified. "I don't know that because I was not running it. I don't know who the people are."
...
In a promotional video for Trump University, Trump said of the program's instructors, "We are going to have the best of the best ... and these people that are handpicked by me." [/quote]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-conflicting-answers-trump-university-hiring/story?id=39565791[/url]
it isn't even the first time he's been on record about lying to people
he's a fucking pathological liar
you know, kinda like hillary
At least he said it instead of destroying evidence and it's just a shit university instead of federal secrets and treason
Of course if I was to swap place with Hillary I couldn't say I wouldn't do the same I guess
Gotta do what you gotta do and I'll give em having the resources to carry it out
Trump admitting his stuff in ongoing investigation is a case settlement, Hillary coming clean for the emails debacle and whatever evidence was destroyed would quite possibly be a death sentence. I think it'd be horrible to think about a Hillary execution though, they probably shouldn't. People seem to be calling for a prison sentence anyway. I wonder what happens if she loses? Do you think FBI will change their minds about the "I'm just ignorant" and charge her?
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And if she's found guilty do you think they'll kill her? I'm unsure. The rules for treason are a death sentence but this would be pretty public and huge news, it sounds kinda morbid
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700124]At least he said it instead of destroying evidence and it's just a shit university instead of federal secrets and treason
Of course if I was to swap place with Hillary I couldn't say I wouldn't do the same I guess
Gotta do what you gotta do and I'll give em having the resources to carry it out
Trump admitting his stuff in ongoing investigation is a case settlement, Hillary coming clean for the emails debacle and whatever evidence was destroyed would quite possibly be a death sentence. I think it'd be horrible to think about a Hillary execution though, they probably shouldn't. People seem to be calling for a prison sentence anyway. I wonder what happens if she loses? Do you think FBI will change their minds about the "I'm just ignorant" and charge her?
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And if she's found guilty do you think they'll kill her? I'm unsure. The rules for treason are a death sentence but this would be pretty public and huge news, it sounds kinda morbid[/QUOTE]
why does it matter if trump was forced to admit it and hillary weaseled her way around it
am I supposed to give trump cred because he's a less capable scum bag?
hillary being executed for treason? what the fuck are you talking about?
How was he forced
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If she was found guilty for treason isn't treason a death sentence?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700198]How was he forced[/QUOTE]
because the alternative is that he was stupid enough to just casually admit that he was defrauding people
what makes you think she's under suspicion of fucking treason?
The only place I've seen even talk of treason charges being leveled is now two posts on Facepunch. It's not even a consideration at this point.
I thought that's what Benghazi and the email scandal was about? Or am I mistaking words?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700236]I thought that's what Benghazi and the email scandal was about? Or am I mistaking words?[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're mistaken. Read a book, or Google "treason" dude.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700236]I thought that's what Benghazi and the email scandal was about? Or am I mistaking words?[/QUOTE]
there is a very stark difference between what a political commentator calls treason and what is legally defined as treason
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50700242]Yeah you're mistaken. Read a book, or Google "treason" dude.[/QUOTE]
Which book?
also
[quote]The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death.[/quote]
Was some of this not part of the suspicion/accusation in both cases?
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I'm talking about [i]if[/i] she was found guilty mind you
this is like asking what if trump was convicted of child rape
As far as I know he's not under investigation for possible child rape
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700315]As far as I know he's not under investigation for possible child rape[/QUOTE]
as far as I know hillary clinton isn't under investigation for treason
Pretty sure its part of what's being looked for, especially for the Benghazi part of the case.
It's definitely way more probable than Trump being convicted of having raped a kid, no ones even talked about anything close to that.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700365]Pretty sure its part of what's being looked for, especially for the Benghazi part of the case.
It's definitely way more probable than Trump having raped a kid, no ones even talked about anything close to that.[/QUOTE]
is your suspicion based on "some people somewhere are talking about it so it's probably true"?
do you have anything at all to substantiate what you're saying?
It was an if statement from the beginning. What the cases accusations sounded like treason and yes people do talk about it being treason, no it doesn't mean it is true, you said suspicion specifically
I'm pretty sure I messed up using the word and now we're caught up on it but I think treason could still be applied to the crime.
It's not even what I was talking about either, I was wondering about death penalty, not just death penalty exclusively if treason
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Alright are there two different email cases? I remember one of her deleting 30k of them and the statement I'm reading is just talking about storing classified docs on a personal server
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700413]It was an if statement from the beginning. What the cases accusations sounded like treason and yes people do talk about it being treason, no it doesn't mean it is true, you said suspicion specifically
I'm pretty sure I messed up using the word and now we're caught up on it but I think treason could still be applied to the crime.
It's not even what I was talking about either, I was wondering about death penalty, not just death penalty exclusively if treason[/QUOTE]
trump has been accused of child rape, so there's technically suspicion against him too
that doesn't mean there's any evidence, but as far as I'm aware there's no evidence hillary is guilty of treason either
so why limit ourselves to one wild, unsubstantiated claim
when was he accused of child rape
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you keep doing this shit where you say I'm saying she's guilty when I only said that I think some of the investigation is related to finding out if she did
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this is news to me lol when did that happen
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an anonymous case filing is a little different from a year long FBI check up
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700430]when was he accused of child rape
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you keep doing this shit where you say I'm saying she's guilty when I only said that I think some of the investigation is related to finding out if she did[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/06/donald-trump-accused-of-raping-13-year-old-in-federal-lawsuit/[/url]
well what, you can talk about what happens if hillary is convicted of treason
why can't I talk about whether or not Donald Trump Raped a 13 year old girl in 1993 in New York
You know what.
As a Bernie supporter, I'm not voting for Hillary.
Nor am I voting for Trump.
Earlier I said I would vote for Hillary to prevent a Trump presidency, however I've changed my mind.
I'm going to be voting for my ideals, much like Sanders was running with his ideals in mind first. Not for whats "required" by the DNC and the party. Clinton very clearly doesn't care about people like me (students) as well as other major groups except her corporate backings, so I'm not going to contribute my first vote to her.
Every vote that goes to a third party is a vote away from the corrupt establishment of both major parties to bring new players and parties into the fold which in turn helps bring real change to this stupid two-party system. I believe in Sander's message of political revolution and I can start by casting my vote not for the establishment, but for those struggling to gain relevancy and a foothold in our political system. Who are silenced by the bigger players with their influence and power they currently hold on our democracy.
While I hope the American people still don't choose Trump, for he would actually take down many of the things that makes America great, I'm not voting for her because that's my influence in the democratic system we have.
So then, Jill Stein it is for me.
See you guys in November and godspeed.
(Yes I am an American citizen, I am going to be voting abroad (absentee voting I believe its called) before anyone asks)
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50700455][url]http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/06/donald-trump-accused-of-raping-13-year-old-in-federal-lawsuit/[/url]
well what, you can talk about what happens if hillary is convicted of treason
why can't I talk about whether or not Donald Trump Raped a 13 year old girl in 1993 in New York[/QUOTE]
I thought you were being ridiculous I never heard about this, by all means ask if trump will get the death sentence if this is true
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700466]I thought you were joking I never heard about this, by all means ask if trump will get the death sentence if this is true[/QUOTE]
but there's literally no evidence to support it whatsoever
why should we be having a conversation about completely and entirely unsubstantiated rumors
we dont have to I guess
all I wanted to say in here was I was disappointed in how Bernie turned out
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50700518]we dont have to I guess
all I wanted to say in here was I was disappointed in how Bernie turned out[/QUOTE]
Why? Because he wasn't nominated?
That's not the point though. He's made a HUGE impact to younger generations and perhaps further with how he ran and spread his message of change. Now more than ever more young people are interested and invested into politics and perhaps some of these young people will even go to run for public office to bring about a grassroots movement, which is what Sanders wants to happen. If he can't bring change from the top, help bring information and a belief to the people to bring change starting from the bottom.
Bernie, while he lost the democratic primary, will be remembered as the man who set about a new age in American politics.
That is what I am proud of for Bernie.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50698694]Pvt. Martin really has no interest in learning. That's honestly the conclusion I've come to after seeing him post for, well, years. He'll absorb some opinions with basically no critical thinking, and then he'll parrot them for a few weeks. I don't know what it takes for him to get tired of them, but at some point he'll adopt some new ones, and the cycle continues. If he gets challenged he can just leave the thread.
Maybe he'll surprise me positively for once and actually respond with some carefully constructed arguments, but I seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I suppose you're probably right. After getting in an argument in one of these threads awhile back we took it to pms and had a pretty civil discussion where he was agreeing with me on most points I was making. Looks like after that he went and did a total 180º though.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50699126]I'd encourage everyone to compare the 2012 DNC platform with the 2016 draft. They're both freely available online and the difference is night and day. The 2016 one sounds like a slightly watered down Bernie. The 2012 one sounds like a liberal Republican.[/QUOTE]
Any chance you could provide links? I'm actually curious to compare them myself but I'm not certain where I'd find them.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50699470]The people who only now just started following politics are shocked and offended by this because they don't realize that Bernie's decision to stick with the DNC and push it left is 100% in line with his goals. That's what he wanted to do all along.[/QUOTE]
The issue with a lot of them, as I see it at least, is that they were seeing what they wanted in his platform rather than what he was actually going for and now that that difference is relevant it's coming as a shock to them. I'm disappointed it's come down to this but that's not because of Sander's actions at all. (Which would have been predictable for anyone who actually understood his platform to begin with.) It's simply because the best choice for me to vote for is someone who I consider corrupt at best and a criminal at worst.
It is verifiably proven that Hillary is above the law. With that being said, a tyrant has no business in being POTUS. If Trump were to do anything that would risk national security, he would be prosecuted accordingly.
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