[QUOTE=Limed00d;50697601]to add to this:
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where's that lgbt support then marty[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk[/media]
Umm.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697633]I already did.
I like him because he's going to bring jobs back to America from abroad, and I like his gusto when dealing with shit.
I made this post last page. I went into detail about the policies I support.[/QUOTE]
Then it was pointed out how those points are dog shit, then you got evasive.
How is he going to bring back jobs from Mexico and Asia without severely fucking trade deals and international relations?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697633]I already did.
I like him because he's going to bring jobs back to America from abroad, and I like his gusto when dealing with shit.
I made this post last page. I went into detail about the policies I support.[/QUOTE]
"Gusto when dealing with shit" is on the same level of meaningless as "says what's on his mind", "he's not PC", and "he doesn't censor himself", and you post this just after a post with a source on how he'd tank the economy so just lol
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697633]I already did.
I like him because he's going to bring jobs back to America from abroad, and I like his gusto when dealing with shit.
I made this post last page. I went into detail about the policies I support.[/QUOTE]
So you're okay that his plan to bring back jobs from Mexico involves collapsing global free trade and destroying the American economy and triggering a race to the bottom in labor rights and environmental regulations? We're beyond bringing low-skill manufacturing back because we don't allow child labor and pennies a day as wages anymore. I don't want those jobs back here. I want affordable higher education so that Americans can get better skilled labor more easily instead of trying to tear down everything to compete with abusive child labor countries like those in Asia.
You're literally admitting that you like his rhetoric and you don't even know his plans.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697633]I already did.
I like him because he's going to bring jobs back to America from abroad, and I like his gusto when dealing with shit.
I made this post last page. I went into detail about the policies I support.[/QUOTE]
the problem is that he fucking [I]won't[/I]
we have explained in detail with multiple sources why he won't
and in response to those arguments you either just ignore them or call the people who disagree with you a bunch of big meanies and run away
people aren't mad at you because your opinion is different from theirs, they're mad because your opinion is fucking stupid. Because if it [I]wasn't[/I] fucking stupid, you would be able to respond to criticism.
even [I]if[/I] by some fucking miracle you were actually right and trump was going to shower the entirety of the continent in piles of gold ingots, your opinion would [I]still[/I] be stupid by virtue of the fact that you're completely incapable of justifying it
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50697592]Try using your reason to explain, in reasonable terms, how in the shit a Bernie supporter can go to Trump. Because there isn't one. There are reasonable views on why someone on the right should support trump - there's zero for having someone flip from the furthest left candidate to the furthest right one. Absolutely zero. Unless you have no conviction whatsoever in your political beliefs and you're treating the election like a popularity contest, in which case you're brain dead and the defining reason we have an electoral college in the first place.[/QUOTE]
If your single main reason for voting for Sanders was the anti-corruption stuff then it does make a certain amount of sense as a political statement about the current status of our election system. Though that doesn't seem to be the case for Martin since he's saying he supports Trump's policies themselves.
Also it's still a bad idea to vote for Trump even if you were only supporting Sanders for that reason and I'd urge anyone who's still thinking that to seriously reconsider. I'd held that viewpoint up until a few months or so ago myself but decided to rethink it as the potential damage Trump could cause isn't remotely worth the benefits that a political statement like that could bring.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50697643]Then it was pointed out how those points are dog shit, then you got evasive.
How is he going to bring back jobs from Mexico and Asia without severely fucking trade deals and international relations?[/QUOTE]
you see, the problem is that its too expensive to employ workers here, so they go exploit countries with shit labor laws, so obviously, the solution is to destroy worker rights and kiss corporate ass until we get them back!
And thus, the cycle of neo-liberalism keeps on spinning.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697096]You and me both. I'm done with what this forum thinks about it. I've done my research, and I know I'd rather take Trump over Corrupt Hillary and Bernie "No Refunds" Sanders. Hiliary, who I may remind you all, is still trying to dodge all her corruption charges with the FBI.
And if any of you out there in this Forum are secret Trump Supporters, then you're never alone.[/QUOTE]
you voted for bernie in the primaries as you spent days telling us about your bowel movements
[QUOTE=1legmidget;50697603]You could instead talk policy, or just not post.
You are aware that Trump's tax policy is predicted to put us [URL="http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan"]trillions more in debt right[/URL]? Is this the economic plan you're supporting?[/QUOTE]
there's also a positive side to it, but he would have to introduce huge spending cuts in order for it not to totally backfire
[quote]The plan would reduce federal revenues by $9.5 trillion over its first decade before accounting for added interest costs or considering macroeconomic feedback effects. The plan would improve incentives to work, save, and invest. However, unless it is accompanied by very large spending cuts, it could increase the national debt by nearly 80 percent of gross domestic product by 2036, offsetting some or all of the incentive effects of the tax cuts.[/quote]
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;50697665]there's also a positive side to it, he would have to introduce huge spending cuts in order for it not to totally backfire[/QUOTE]
How the fuck is that a positive side effect.
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;50697539]i just think we can debate without [i]insulting[/i] each other. yeah, i fucked up a page back, i'll admit[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697565]That's no excuse to go after us like this. You should know better.[/QUOTE]
But you're supporting Trump?
Who literally uses an insulting nickname for everyone he doesn't agree with?
You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillRay;50697661]you voted for bernie in the primaries as [b]you spent days telling us about your bowel movements[/b][/QUOTE]
You're literary picking my history apart to invalidate what I'm saying. I did, but I knew in the month afterwards that he wasn't going to win against Hillary. And surprise he didn't.
-didn't mean to post there-
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
You're literary picking my history apart to invalidate what I'm saying. I did, but I knew in the month afterwards that he wasn't going to win against Hillary. And surprise he didn't.[/QUOTE]
jesus christ dude you're like fucking neo from the matrix the way you're dodging these arguments
maybe you should get into politics yourself because it clearly comes naturally to you
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?[/QUOTE]
lmao calling SH leftist. Take it from a radical leftist, this place is filled with moderates and tried and true classical liberals.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
You're literary picking my history apart to invalidate what I'm saying. I did, but I knew in the month afterwards that he wasn't going to win against Hillary. And surprise he didn't.[/QUOTE]
No I remember the post, I don't need to check your history. I can assume however that your flip to a completely opposite candidate was for no real reason, or you voted for Bernie in the first place for things you didn't believe in.
Personally I'll just mostly be assured that you know mothing
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that.[/QUOTE]
Leftist views such as "BLM should be classified as a terrorist group", "Refugees should be banned from entering Europe", along with plenty of support for Trump
Sure, yeah. FP is "entreched in leftist views".
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
You're literary picking my history apart to invalidate what I'm saying. I did, but I knew in the month afterwards that he wasn't going to win against Hillary. And surprise he didn't.[/QUOTE]
The same confidence that led Britain to exit from the EU on the clay feet of lies, fearmongering, and outright rejection of expert opinions? Because that's what's going to happen if Trump gets elected to the presidency.
You have literally said that only his rhetoric swayed you into accepting him as a potential presidential candidate, to say nothing of the solid facts that prove a thousand times over that having him as leader of a country so powerful is a BAD IDEA. People have the right to express their support on any platform, that is true, but when you're literally supporting somebody whose campaign was all about calling people names and suing newspapers that disagreed with him, others are free to tell you that it's not such a good idea as you think it is.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?
[/QUOTE]
Quit appealing to emotion with "but but shes CROOKED" bullshit and answer the questions on how he'll bring back jobs to the US from Mexico and Asia.
For fucks sake is it really that hard.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.
Can anyone else give the same amount of confidence for the most crooked person in recent history since Nixon?
[editline]12th July 2016[/editline]
You're literary picking my history apart to invalidate what I'm saying. I did, but I knew in the month afterwards that he wasn't going to win against Hillary. And surprise he didn't.[/QUOTE]
"All your facts and economic analyses are too LEFTIST! I don't need the experts! I know who I'm voting for and that's the guy who will cut taxes and end federal funding for the majority of social programs and bring the USA back to the Gilded Age! Gold's good so it must've been good back then. fucking leftists PC SJWs Trump's gonna make it so I can insult your race if I want but if you respond in a newspaper I can sue you for libel, that's real free speech!!"
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50697676]You know what. I'm done. This entire sub-section is too entrenched in their Leftist views I get that. And I'm fine with that. But I've given my reasons. I know what I'm voting for.[/QUOTE]
Uh, you [I]do[/I] realize that people have been repeatedly giving you a chance to explain how the policies you agree with are actually going to work, right? You can claim they work all you want but by avoiding even addressing how they will work you're effectively closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears and simply ignoring anything people are saying while claiming it will work. Do you actually even know [I]how[/I] the policies you are agreeing with are going to be implemented?
K, I'm still voting for Vermin Supreme.
I'm sick of these fucking SJW liberal leftist cuck nu-male betas LABELING ME
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50697714]Uh, you [I]do[/I] realize that people have been repeatedly giving you a chance to explain how the policies you agree with are actually going to work, right? You can claim they work all you want but by avoiding even addressing how they will work you're effectively closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears and simply ignoring anything people are saying while claiming it will work. Do you actually even know [I]how[/I] the policies you are agreeing with are going to be implemented?[/QUOTE]
Trump is a [I]go getter[/I] who [I]does what he says he will[/I] and [I]doesn't take shit from anyone[/I], that's how!
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;50697665]there's also a positive side to it, but he would have to introduce huge spending cuts in order for it not to totally backfire[/QUOTE]
How do you plan to bring back jobs here if our government has to cut spending across the board?
If you're starting a company and can choose to set up in a country willing to give you tax cuts and grants or a country that's hurting for cash which are you going to pick?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50697707]Quit appealing to emotion with "but but shes CROOKED" bullshit and answer the questions on how he'll bring back jobs to the US from Mexico and Asia.
For fucks sake is it really that hard.[/QUOTE]
Its easy dude if you elect Trump he'll #makeamericagreatagain and there'll be money and jobs raining from the sky.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;50697726]How do you plan to bring back jobs here if our government has to cut spending across the board?
If you're starting a company and can choose to set up in a country willing to give you tax cuts and grants or a country that's hurting for cash which are you going to pick?[/QUOTE]it's a deep issue. before he would go about the economic plan, he would have to stop the problems that got us here in the first place. knowing how much the GOP/Democrats hate him, there will probably be a ton of backlash considering this threatens them in more ways than one
and there's also the potential of the plan being completely abandoned to maintain order. if anything wants to get done, left or right, polarized thinking needs to stop, because it's thrown us into chaos as of late
as for getting jobs back, the economic plan would have to appeal enough to corporations for them to ditch cheap labor. for negotiation reasons it could change a lot from his proposal
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;50697750]it's a deep issue. before he would go about the economic plan, he would have to stop the problems that got us here in the first place. knowing how much the GOP/Democrats hate him, there will probably be a ton of backlash considering this threatens them in more ways than one
and there's also the potential of the plan being completely abandoned to maintain order, which is a possibility[/QUOTE]
Without dodging the question, are spending cuts and austerity measures to support Trump's plan going to promote more jobs and growth?
If not, then you'd agree that Trump's economic plan would either have to slow growth through austerity measures or put us in tremendous debt right?
[QUOTE=1legmidget;50697764]Without dodging the question, are spending cuts and austerity measures to support Trump's plan going to promote more jobs and growth?
If not, then you'd agree that Trump's economic plan would either have to slow growth through austerity measures or put us in tremendous debt right?[/QUOTE]yes, this is true. hence why it's so hit-or-miss
as for creating jobs, it's not going to get better unless mental health and the living situation is resolved. too many people are suffering to care about jobs. the economic plan may not even have any effect because of this. so, in short: no, probably not
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;50697771]yes, this is true. hence why it's so hit-or-miss[/QUOTE]
It's not hit or miss then. It's clearly a miss.
Trump says we're wasting [B]Billions[/B] on illegal immigrants and that's a bad thing.
Trump's economic policy will cost us [B]Trillions[/B] if implemented.
Even if his immigration policies were to save us [B]999 Billion[/B] every year after he implemented them (they're actually predicted to cost us even more money) we would still accrue more debt, which means there would be calls for more spending cuts, more austerity measures, and there would be less growth.
It's not a policy that works from any angle, and passing blame onto establishment republicans or democrats isn't going to change that.
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