Thousands of Ukrainians Flee to Russia as Army Attacks - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Conscript;45371153]Are you daft? No it's not, look what state those soldiers are taking orders from. Lol, this is amazing. So if I get into power by any means, you fight me and you're a traitor. Only because my soldiers are of some nationality. Great fucking logic.[/QUOTE] you seem angry, conscript. perhaps you should take a break and read something other than propaganda?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45370041]so... aiding, supplying, and housing people who willingly kill ukrainian soldiers is not treason or collaboration?[/QUOTE] It's not like a lot of people have a say in the matter, people who willingly kill Ukrainian soldiers can just as willingly kill you: they are armed and unpredictable. Not everyone can just get up and get out. I have a relatives there, and their family just recently were able to flee Slavyansk, a week before rebels abandoned it. But before that, a small band of "rebels" just settled in their neighbor's flat and made everyone in the building sit tight, letting only one person at a time leave to get supplies (food and water basically). That would be "housing, supplying, aiding", but are those people traitors?

[QUOTE=gudman;45371468]I have a relatives there, and their family just recently were able to flee Slavyansk, a week before rebels abandoned it. But before that, a small band of "rebels" just settled in their neighbor's flat and made everyone in the building sit tight, letting only one person at a time leave to get supplies (food and water basically). That would be "housing, supplying, aiding", but are those people traitors?[/QUOTE] No, because they were coerced by force or fear of force. You're going to do whatever a gunman says no matter their intention because it's what makes the situation smoother. Civilians being told to stay in buildings by armed rebels =/= Civilians actively supporting the rebels.

[QUOTE=gudman;45371468]It's not like a lot of people have a say in the matter, people who willingly kill Ukrainian soldiers can just as willingly kill you: they are armed and unpredictable. Not everyone can just get up and get out. I have a relatives there, and their family just recently were able to flee Slavyansk, a week before rebels abandoned it. But before that, a small band of "rebels" just settled in their neighbor's flat and made everyone in the building sit tight, letting only one person at a time leave to get supplies (food and water basically). That would be "housing, supplying, aiding", but are those people traitors?[/QUOTE] Glad to hear they got out at least. But seriously though, if the rebels know that innocent people are going to get hurt because the Ukrainian military isn't going to let their own get killed while trying to figure out who's a collaborator or civilian, it really goes to show what kind of men these militias, Ukrainian and Novorossiya really are. God damn cowards and terrorist the lot of them. [editline]12th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;45371497]No, because they were coerced by force or fear of force. You're going to do whatever a gunman says no matter their intention because it's what makes the situation smoother. Civilians being told to stay in buildings by armed rebels =/= Civilians actively supporting the rebels.[/QUOTE] It leaves a point though: What is the Ukrainian military to do? If the rebels camp-out inside of people's houses who want nothing to do with this war, and hold everyone inside of their houses at gun point. How is the Ukrainian military to progress into the region? How are they to take cities back from the Novorossiyan militias? What worries me greatly is that the Ukrainian military is tied down to number-crunching. The numbers being how many soldiers lives are they willing to throw away with a very slow guerilla war without the use of total war assets(aerial bombardment, artillery, tanks, anything kaboomish). If they throw what ever they have at their disposal they are essentially fighting a en'mass hostage campaign in which every civilian is at the mercy of a gunman or artillery battalion.

[QUOTE=Conscript;45366369]I wonder what Russia 20 years ago has to do with east ukrainians now. So much dumb.[/QUOTE] Someone forgets Georgia.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45371293]you seem angry, conscript. perhaps you should take a break and read something other than propaganda?[/QUOTE] lol you think everything is propaganda. Here's more propaganda for you: [url]http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/parubiy-asks-european-parliament-to-reconsider-its-60550.html[/url] So, a coup government where Bandera has the title Hero of Ukraine, and itself has open fascists in the Rada and important cabinet positions, a nationalist militia in the east called Azov Battalion, and has its nationalist party win half the vote in elections in places like Lvov...is not fascist, how exactly? Especially in light of the attempted ban on minority languages. Even the EU itself is uncomfortable with it, as that article shows as does their condemnation of Svoboda in 2012. It's amazing people doubt those in the east would be under threat, especially consider JoeSkylynx's earlier posts saying basically that they will be cleansed once this is over.

[QUOTE=Conscript;45372914]lol you think everything is propaganda. Here's more propaganda for you: [url]http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/parubiy-asks-european-parliament-to-reconsider-its-60550.html[/url] So, a coup government where Bandera has the title Hero of Ukraine, and itself has open fascists in the Rada and important cabinet positions, a nationalist militia in the east called Azov Battalion, and has its nationalist party win half the vote in elections in places like Lvov...is not fascist, how exactly? Especially in light of the attempted ban on minority languages. Even the EU itself is uncomfortable with it, as that article shows as does their condemnation of Svoboda in 2012. It's amazing people doubt those in the east would be under threat, especially consider JoeSkylynx's earlier posts saying basically that they will be cleansed once this is over.[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/child-drinking-soda-19029386.jpg[/img_thumb] you really should stop drinking the kool aid

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45365198]Because Russia has never done that before. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX4v2V2H4jg[/media] [IMG]http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000wdyS2VbxHaQ/s/500/03-grozny-russia-1995.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2008/03/03/groznychild372.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.topinbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Grozny.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Last time I made a comparison like that people didn't like it cuz it wasn't related and unfair to compare apparently.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45365198]Because Russia has never done that before.[/QUOTE] Nobody cares what Russia did. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[QUOTE=Conscript;45371153]Are you daft? No it's not, look what state those soldiers are taking orders from. Lol, this is amazing. So if I get into power by any means, you fight me and you're a traitor. Only because my soldiers are of some nationality. Great fucking logic.[/QUOTE]Yes, by raw definition revolutionaries are traitors. You have to commit treason against an unwanted government to start a revolution. Like, how is that hard to understand? I don't know how you couldn't understand something so simple.