• Xbox One games will be "tied to owner's account"
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[QUOTE=Daniel M;40732868]Except for ZachPL QQ more fanboy[/QUOTE] Your judgement is so scewed you know nothing about the ps4 and very little about xbox one, but somehow you know how the xbox one will do and that no one is going to buy it. Alright whenever I need a biased judgement on something I will make sure to come to you.
[url]http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109[/url] yeah, you can't share games with friends and from how he phrases it, it doesn't look like your account leaves your xbox [editline]21st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ZachPL;40732889]Your judgement is so scewed you know nothing about the ps4 and very little about xbox one, but somehow you know how the xbox one will do and that no one is going to buy it. Alright whenever I need a biased judgement on something I will make sure to come to you.[/QUOTE] actually a large amount of info for the xbox one is out right now, that's what todays press conference was for. what we know about the PS4 is still up for debate but we do know bad things about this new xbox.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40732891][url]http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109[/url] yeah, you can't share games with friends and from how he phrases it, it doesn't look like your account leaves your xbox [editline]21st May 2013[/editline] actually a large amount of info for the xbox one is out right now, that's what todays press conference was for. what we know about the PS4 is still up for debate but we do know bad things about this new xbox.[/QUOTE] Major nelson makes it sound like you can sign into your account on your friends xbox [url]http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/[/url]
[QUOTE=Squad;40732674]You can play used games on the Xbox... Also, the point of a console isn't to play used games... I buy new games to play on my Xbox. The Xbox is just to play games.[/QUOTE] Yeah I absolutely hate going to GameStop and saving a few bucks. And talk about (un)planned obsolescence - PS2 and PSP are great used consoles for their price. Xbox One? Not shaping up for it.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40732926]Yeah I absolutely hate going to GameStop and saving a few bucks. [/QUOTE] There is nothing I can say without coming off as an elitist dick. If I can't afford the game new, I just don't buy it. Why do used games cost so much anyway? New games sell used for like 5 dollars off. So, not only are you not really saving any money, but the developer gets robbed of that purchase.
[QUOTE=Squad;40732959]There is nothing I can say without coming off as an elitist dick. If I can't afford the game new, I just don't buy it. Why do used games cost so much anyway? New games sell used for like 5 dollars off. So, not only are you not really saving any money, but the developer gets robbed of that purchase.[/QUOTE] Well I suppose it's fine having your consumer rights eroded if the publisher gets an extra $5.
[QUOTE=Squad;40732959]There is nothing I can say without coming off as an elitist dick. If I can't afford the game new, I just don't buy it. Why do used games cost so much anyway? New games sell used for like 5 dollars off. So, not only are you not really saving any money, but the developer gets robbed of that purchase.[/QUOTE] I usually buy used when the cost difference is small like 5 dollars but honestly, if I can buy a game used for ten bucks or new for twenty i'm going to get the ten. Not because I literally cannot afford the twenty, but because I can buy another ten dollar used game for the price I would have gotten one used game. Microsoft doesn't want to allow that? Fine. But I reserve the right to call it an asshole move and take my business to sony.
[QUOTE=ZachPL;40732889]Your judgement is so scewed you know nothing about the ps4 and very little about xbox one, but somehow you know how the xbox one will do and that no one is going to buy it. Alright whenever I need a biased judgement on something I will make sure to come to you.[/QUOTE] Okay well what we know is Xbox One *What it looks like *Metro tile design *Kinect 2.0 *All your games/DLC are now useless *less powerful than the PS4 *focus on "ALL IN ONE EXPERIENCE" *Requires online connectivity *RACIN' SHOOTIN' AND SCORIN' games, also that Remedy one looks cool but I'm a Max Payne fan so I'm biased. *Most likely using some form of draconian DRM *99% probability of it being pay to play multiplayer with advertisements *shits on indie developers *Made by Microsoft, who abandoned gaming in favor of "entertainment" a long time ago with only Fable/Halo/Gears of War as memorable exclusives, oh and I forgot Forza if you like RACIN' Playstation 4 *Powerful hardware *Free Online *Supports local accounts *Doesn't require online connection *Games don't lock to your PSN account *Backwards Compatible through streaming *Playstation Plus benefits *Playstation Vita/4 integration *Focus on games *Supports indie developers pretty damn well *Made by Sony, a company that has focused on gaming first and multimedia second with dozens of amazing exclusives
See VG Leaks is a reliable source for console leaks.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40733018]Okay well what we know is Xbox One *What it looks like *Metro tile design *Kinect 2.0[B](Actually really cool)[/B] *All your games/DLC are now useless *less powerful than the PS4(conjecture) *focus on "ALL IN ONE EXPERIENCE" *Requires online connectivity *RACIN' SHOOTIN' AND SCORIN' games, also that Remedy one looks cool but I'm a Max Payne fan so I'm biased. *Most likely using some form of draconian DRM[B](Assumption)[/B] *99% probability of it being pay to play multiplayer with advertisements[B](Assumption)[/B] *shits on indie developers[B](Assumption, and mostly wrong as the arcades done a half decent job of getting indie titles out and about)[/B] *Made by Microsoft, who abandoned gaming in favor of "entertainment" a long time ago with only Fable/Halo/Gears of War as memorable exclusives, oh and I forgot Forza if you like RACIN' [B](Yeah this is opinion based bashing)[/B] Playstation 4 *Powerful hardware[B](Assumption)[/B] *Free Online *Backwards Compatible through streaming[B](Assumption that this will be free and painless)[/B] *Playstation Plus benefits[B](This costs money much like Xbox Live)[/B] *Playstation Vita/4 integration *Focus on games[B](Assumption)[/B] *Supports indie developers pretty damn well[B](Assumption)[/B] *Made by Sony, a company that has focused on gaming first and multimedia second with dozens of amazing exclusives[B](Opinioning really hard here)[/B][/QUOTE] I'm not defending Microsoft or this console but you're making a lot of assumptions.
Industry really needs to crash right about now. But it won't because consumers are too fucking retarded to make the decisions that led to the last industry reality check.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40733018]Okay well what we know is Xbox One *What it looks like *Metro tile design *Kinect 2.0 *All your games/DLC are now useless *less powerful than the PS4 *focus on "ALL IN ONE EXPERIENCE" *Requires online connectivity *RACIN' SHOOTIN' AND SCORIN' games, also that Remedy one looks cool but I'm a Max Payne fan so I'm biased. *Most likely using some form of draconian DRM *99% probability of it being pay to play multiplayer with advertisements *shits on indie developers *Made by Microsoft, who abandoned gaming in favor of "entertainment" a long time ago with only Fable/Halo/Gears of War as memorable exclusives, oh and I forgot Forza if you like RACIN' Playstation 4 *Powerful hardware *Free Online *Supports local accounts *Doesn't require online connection *Games don't lock to your PSN account *Backwards Compatible through streaming *Playstation Plus benefits *Playstation Vita/4 integration *Focus on games *Supports indie developers pretty damn well *Made by Sony, a company that has focused on gaming first and multimedia second with dozens of amazing exclusives[/QUOTE] You are clearly just wanting the PS4 to win. How do you know the PS4 is more powerful than the xbox? Most of your PS4 stuff is speculation / made up shit. Most of your Xbox stuff is trying to make it seem negative. Both consoles have their negatives. Both have their positives. But until everything is revealed for both, you can not say that the PS4 is better.
[QUOTE=Squad;40733114]You are clearly just wanting the PS4 to win. How do you know the PS4 is more powerful than the xbox? Most of your PS4 stuff is speculation / made up shit. Most of your Xbox stuff is trying to make it seem negative. Both consoles have their negatives. Both have their positives. But until everything is revealed for both, you can not say that the PS4 is better.[/QUOTE] You're defending a product that will have a massive marketing budget, are you on the payroll or something?
[QUOTE=Squad;40733114]You are clearly just wanting the PS4 to win. [/QUOTE] The inverse could be said about you on the nextbox.
[QUOTE=danharibo;40733129]You're defending a product that will have a massive marketing budget, are you on the payroll or something?[/QUOTE] are you saying that the PS4 won't have that same level of marketing? Or are you saying that people shouldn't have opinions that they speak of on forums about consoles because someone's defense of something is akin to someone being paid to market it? you do know that this is dumb yes
[QUOTE=legolover122;40733147]The inverse could be said about you on the nextbox.[/QUOTE] No it can't. Read all of my posts. I have specifically stated I am undecided at this moment. I want a good console to have in my house. I don't care who the hell makes it. I am waiting until E3 to be completely decided.
[QUOTE=legolover122;40733147]The inverse could be said about you on the nextbox.[/QUOTE] if you read that list and don't see at least a few of those as bullshit made up reasons to hate or like one side or the other you're bias is showing and you should take a minute to just think and stop.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40733156]are you saying that the PS4 won't have that same level of marketing? Or are you saying that people shouldn't have opinions that they speak of on forums about consoles because someone's defense of something is akin to someone being paid to market it? you do know that this is dumb yes[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything about the PS4. And for the record, I'm not going to buy either.
[QUOTE=Squad;40733164]No it can't. Read all of my posts. I have specifically stated I am undecided at this moment. I want a good console to have in my house. I don't care who the hell makes it. I am waiting until E3 to be completely decided.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40733169]if you read that list and don't see at least a few of those as bullshit made up reasons to hate or like one side or the other you're bias is showing and you should take a minute to just think and stop.[/QUOTE] That was a dumb post on my part.
[QUOTE=danharibo;40733170]I didn't say anything about the PS4. And for the record, I'm not going to buy either.[/QUOTE] missed the important part of that i guess
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40733071]I'm not defending Microsoft or this console but you're making a lot of assumptions.[/QUOTE] DDR3 vs GDDR5, much faster. There's a reason why it's used exclusively for high end graphic cards (like my Titan) Doesn't matter if it's free and painless, at least the functionality is there. Their press conference focused on the games and their track record certainly supports that theory. They know what they're good at and I even recall one of the guys saying that they're focusing on the games. They have been supporting indie developers pretty well, look at how Microsoft treats them. Barely any advertising, have to navigate through confusing menus. Look online, there are stories about how they're failing to lure in indie developers. Playstation Plus is worth it and it's completely optional. Cloud Saving, Cross-game chat, discounts on DLC/games, [b]FREE GAMES[/b] (this is old but it gives you an idea) [img]http://newtroop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PSN-E32012.jpg[/img] Also that last one, it stops being an opinion when it's true. Uncharted 1/2/3, Twisted Metal, Demon's Souls, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Yakuza 3/4, inFAMOUS 1/2, Resistance 1/2/3, God of War 3/Ascension, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2/3, Ratchet and Clank series. Metal Gear Solid 4, Wsy of the Samurai 4, Motorstorm Apocalypse, just to name a few.
[QUOTE=Squad;40732668][url]http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/21/microsoft-rep-we-are-designing-xbox-one-to-enable-used-games/[/url] There isn't a fee.[/QUOTE] This says otherwise [url]http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825[/url] [quote][b]"But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game[/b]—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says." "The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live." "They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked. [b]"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price,"[/b] Harrison said.[/quote]
Come on guys, think of the culture with consoles. If I'm going over to my mate, and he doesn't have BF3 or whatever, I bring the disk over and we have a shitton of fun. Now that's not a reality.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40733183]DDR3 vs GDDR5, much faster. There's a reason why it's used exclusively for high end graphic cards (like my Titan) Doesn't matter if it's free and painless, at least the functionality is there. Their press conference focused on the games and their track record certainly supports that theory. They know what they're good at and I even recall one of the guys saying that they're focusing on the games. They have been supporting indie developers pretty well, look at how Microsoft treats them. Barely any advertising, have to navigate through confusing menus. Look online, there are stories about how they're failing to lure in indie developers. Playstation Plus is worth it and it's completely optional. Cloud Saving, Cross-game chat, discounts on DLC/games, [b]FREE GAMES[/b] (this is old but it gives you an idea) Also that last one, it stops being an opinion when it's true. Uncharted 1/2/3, Twisted Metal, Demon's Souls, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Yakuza 3/4, inFAMOUS 1/2, Resistance 1/2/3, God of War 3/Ascension, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2/3, Ratchet and Clank series. Metal Gear Solid 4, Wsy of the Samurai 4, Motorstorm Apocalypse, just to name a few.[/QUOTE] I frankly don't care but you're list was filled with things that were made up or assumed reasons to hate things. yes, there will be the functionality for backwards compatibility in some form, but you'll be paying for it I bet. Something that if Microsoft announced, you'd be mad about I'm sure. I do prefer the online system that they've got in place and Playstation Plus has it's upsides, it's still a lot of assumptions on your part.
[QUOTE=nick_9_8;40733210]Come on guys, think of the culture with consoles. If I'm going over to my mate, and he doesn't have BF3 or whatever, I bring the disk over and we have a shitton of fun. Now that's not a reality.[/QUOTE] That's going to kill this console. Fuck that noise. Regardless of whether you have friends that do this or not, it's just the concept itself.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40733183]DDR3 vs GDDR5, much faster. There's a reason why it's used exclusively for high end graphic cards (like my Titan) Doesn't matter if it's free and painless, at least the functionality is there. Their press conference focused on the games and their track record certainly supports that theory. They know what they're good at and I even recall one of the guys saying that they're focusing on the games. They have been supporting indie developers pretty well, look at how Microsoft treats them. Barely any advertising, have to navigate through confusing menus. Look online, there are stories about how they're failing to lure in indie developers. Playstation Plus is worth it and it's completely optional. Cloud Saving, Cross-game chat, discounts on DLC/games, [b]FREE GAMES[/b] (this is old but it gives you an idea) Also that last one, it stops being an opinion when it's true. Uncharted 1/2/3, Twisted Metal, Demon's Souls, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Yakuza 3/4, inFAMOUS 1/2, Resistance 1/2/3, God of War 3/Ascension, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2/3, Ratchet and Clank series. Metal Gear Solid 4, Wsy of the Samurai 4, Motorstorm Apocalypse, just to name a few.[/QUOTE] Well the line isn't as clear cut as GDDR5 > DDR3 . There are a lot of other factors that go into that. Also, the exclusive thing is an opinion. I don't like Uncharted 1/2/3, I loved twisted metal back on the original playstation, but lost interest in it after the PS2. I don't like Demon's Souls, I don't like The Last of Us, I don't like Heavy Rain, I don't like Yakuza 3/4, I don't like inFAMOUS 1/2, I don't like Resistance 1/2/3, I don't like God of War, I never played LittleBigPlanet, I don't like Killzone 2/3, Ratchet and Clank is eh. Metal Gear Solid I got sick of in the original playstation, or Playstation 2. I don't like Wsy of the Samurai 4, I don't like Motorstorm Apocalpyse. I don't like any of those games really. So why would the PS4 be a better console? When comparing consoles, its hard to say one is better because of exclusives. The games on the consoles don't make them better or worse. If one console had all first person shooters and one had all sport simulators, then yeah. But they are equally separated, both have fun sport games, both have good racing games, both have good sandbox games etc etc. Exclusive content is really subjective.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40733227]I frankly don't care but you're list was filled with things that were made up or assumed reasons to hate things. yes, there will be the functionality for backwards compatibility in some form, but you'll be paying for it I bet. Something that if Microsoft announced, you'd be mad about I'm sure. I do prefer the online system that they've got in place and Playstation Plus has it's upsides, it's still a lot of assumptions on your part.[/QUOTE] Assumptions based on logic. Let's look at Microsoft's track record. Let's remember all the terrible E3 presentations everyone sat through saying "WHERE ARE THE GAMES". They're not going to abandon advertisements and "gold subscriptions" when it's a HUGE CASH COW. I mean in the billions for them. Remember this? [video=youtube;9tqIVmF3MPg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tqIVmF3MPg[/video] I'm basing these assumptions on logic and as a game developer. I can read the specs and I can imagine how it'll run. Name 5 decent Xbox exclusives that aren't sequels. [editline]21st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=danharibo;40733129]You're defending a product that will have a massive marketing budget, are you on the payroll or something?[/QUOTE] YEAH MAN I'M A PAID SHILL FUCK YOU CAUGHT ME
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40733286]Assumptions based on logic. Let's look at Microsoft's track record. Let's remember all the terrible E3 presentations everyone sat through saying "WHERE ARE THE GAMES". They're not going to abandon advertisements and "gold subscriptions" when it's a HUGE CASH COW. I mean in the billions for them. Remember this? [video=youtube;9tqIVmF3MPg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tqIVmF3MPg[/video] I'm basing these assumptions on logic and as a game developer. I can read the specs and I can imagine how it'll run. Name 5 decent Xbox exclusives that aren't sequels.[/QUOTE] Dude You don't get it. I'm not fucking defending anything here. But you are making assumptions to attack it. There is a difference between these positions and you are getting overly aggressive because someone is calling out your assumptions. Stop it and simmer down boy.
[QUOTE=Squad;40733282]Well the line isn't as clear cut as GDDR5 > DDR3 . There are a lot of other factors that go into that. Also, the exclusive thing is an opinion. I don't like Uncharted 1/2/3, I loved twisted metal back on the original playstation, but lost interest in it after the PS2. I don't like Demon's Souls, I don't like The Last of Us, I don't like Heavy Rain, I don't like Yakuza 3/4, I don't like inFAMOUS 1/2, I don't like Resistance 1/2/3, I don't like God of War, I never played LittleBigPlanet, I don't like Killzone 2/3, Ratchet and Clank is eh. Metal Gear Solid I got sick of in the original playstation, or Playstation 2. I don't like Wsy of the Samurai 4, I don't like Motorstorm Apocalpyse. I don't like any of those games really. So why would the PS4 be a better console? When comparing consoles, its hard to say one is better because of exclusives. The games on the consoles don't make them better or worse. If one console had all first person shooters and one had all sport simulators, then yeah. But they are equally separated, both have fun sport games, both have good racing games, both have good sandbox games etc etc. Exclusive content is really subjective.[/QUOTE] At least it has exclusives. That are quite good regardless of whether you like them or not. Also I'm sorry you have bad tastes.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40733324]At least it has exclusives. That are quite good regardless of whether you like them or not. Also I'm sorry you have bad tastes.[/QUOTE] now you're just attacking someone also ignoring that they announced there'd be exclusive releases at E3 this year. I think 13 of them or so.
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