Man tried to grab gun and kill Donald Trump at Vegas rally.

[No_Excuses]

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50557336]Retard just destroyed his life trying to kill someone who is not even going to become president anyway.[/QUOTE]

I wish I could rate rainbow still.

[Pantz Master]

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;50558164]I think it's inevitable that he'll be killed off. This was the first assassination attempt on him, and it occurred three months ago:

[media]https://youtu.be/LJ8-RaXE7O0[/media][/QUOTE]

Wtf is this garbage?

[Nahash]

reminds of me of the assassination of pim fortuyn

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn[/URL]

[QUOTE]
Fortuyn provoked controversy with his outspoken views about multiculturalism, immigration and Islam in the Netherlands. He called Islam "a backward culture", and was quoted as saying that if it were legally possible, he would close the borders for Muslim immigrants.[2] He was labelled a far-right populist by his opponents and in the media, but he fiercely rejected this label.[3]

Fortuyn explicitly distanced himself from "far-right" politicians such as the Belgian Filip Dewinter, the Austrian Jörg Haider, or Frenchman Jean-Marie Le Pen whenever compared to them. While he compared his own politics to centre-right politicians such as Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, he also admired former Dutch Prime Minister Joop den Uyl, a social democrat, and Democratic U.S. president John F. Kennedy. Fortuyn also criticised the Polder model and the policies of the outgoing government of Wim Kok and repeatedly described himself and LPF's ideology as pragmatic and not populistic.[4] Fortuyn was openly homosexual.

Fortuyn was assassinated during the 2002 Dutch national election campaign[5][6][7] by Volkert van der Graaf. In court at his trial, van der Graaf said he murdered Fortuyn to stop him from exploiting Muslims as "scapegoats" and targeting "the weak members of society" in seeking political power.[8][9][10][/QUOTE]

[TCB]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50558545]If nothing else it's gonna make the people think twice about listening to UK citizens about voting, which while not as bad as a war it'll still be considered a negative effect here[/QUOTE]

lol 'this post is terrible so it's made me reconsider listening to US citizens'

some psycho dumbass tries to shoot trump and because he happens to be from the UK it denounces what other UK folk have to say? like what, do you think every other person from the UK thinks like this guy? nobody should reasonably denounce the words of others just because they happen to come from a country in which one single fuckup did something insane

the dude who crashed the car that killed princess diana was french, should british people think twice before listening to french people? i mean it's not as if voting itself makes a difference, this assassination attempt isn't at all a reflection of british ideology, you're suggesting a case of "well you're talking about US politics and you're from the UK just like that one wannabe assassin so therefore you're automatically equated to a lunatic and i don't have to listen to you

[Dayzofwinter]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50558561]Wtf is this garbage?[/QUOTE]

A sign identity politics and the political divide is leading this nation to ruin.

[Pops]

[QUOTE=TCB;50558785]lol 'this post is terrible so it's made me reconsider listening to US citizens'

some psycho dumbass tries to shoot trump and because he happens to be from the UK it denounces what other UK folk have to say? like what, do you think every other person from the UK thinks like this guy? nobody should reasonably denounce the words of others just because they happen to come from a country in which one single fuckup did something insane

the dude who crashed the car that killed princess diana was french, should british people think twice before listening to french people? i mean it's not as if voting itself makes a difference, this assassination attempt isn't at all a reflection of british ideology, you're suggesting a case of "well you're talking about US politics and you're from the UK just like that one wannabe assassin so therefore you're automatically equated to a lunatic and i don't have to listen to you[/QUOTE]

to be fair, anyone should think twice before listening to french people.

[EddieLTU]

those SJW's are getting out of hand

[Protocol7]

I understand not liking a presidential candidate, but if you don't want them to win, you don't have to fucking kill them, good lord.

[Mingebox]

[QUOTE=Protocol7;50559093]I understand not liking a presidential candidate, but if you don't want them to win, you don't have to fucking kill them, good lord.[/QUOTE]

Well, I mean, if you want to be literal, you [I]might[/I] have to kill them if you don't want them to win.

[Dayzofwinter]

[QUOTE=EddieLTU;50559049]those SJW's are getting out of hand[/QUOTE]

Every ideal and movement gets hijacked by swindlers, violent idiots and the broken. This is nothing new.
These folks use morality as an excuse to behave immorally.

[Venomousbeetle]

[QUOTE=TCB;50558785]lol 'this post is terrible so it's made me reconsider listening to US citizens'[/QUOTE]

Post? What post? I said UK too.
Edit:

Not sure why what non citizens want should be factored in a citizens vote anyway

[Zephyrs]

[QUOTE=Alice_01;50557333]You cannot upholster a cops gun[/QUOTE]

For those wondering, this is called duty retention.

TL;DR of it is that the holster is special made for a specific type of gun and has some form of locking clip mechanism that requires you to depress a lever, and/or flip a cover off before the weapon can be drawn. It's easy to draw with one hand, in one motion, from a normal angle, but grabbing the holster from any other angle means that you can't get your fingers onto the right pressure points to release the gun, even if you know where they are.

[matt000024]

Poor guy probably watched the Dead Zone a few too many times.

[errur]

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50557527]What did he honestly think was going to happen if he tried to take a cop's gun out of its holster? You would quite literally need to be a special forces operator of some sort to accomplish this plan.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the guy just wanted to be famous and/or in the news so he made the whole thing up. There's no way he thought it might work. Even if he managed to pull out the gun, what next? He'd probably get shot by another officer before he even got a chance to take aim.

[Venomousbeetle]

Idk people do actually think this is possible.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KrpByik.jpg[/img]

Never underestimate stupid. They're both coincidentally UK migrants too. Idk why people think it's easy.

[Electrocuter]

Yeah I do think the whole 1 year of planning to be bullshit, I mean really 1 year and it all goes to shit on the very first part because he didn't do any research into gun holsters, a very crucial part of the plan.

1 Year fantasising about it is more like it.

[karlosfandango]

I'm not convinced that this teenager was very prepared to carry this out.

[TCB]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559260]Post? What post? I said UK too.
Edit:

Not sure why what non citizens want should be factored in a citizens vote anyway[/QUOTE]

uh i'm clearly just changing the scenario, what sort of logic is "person of [place] did a bad thing so i should discredit anyone from that place"? should we reconsider US folk because of your bad posts?

you don't have to be an american citizen to be able to at least grasp the ideologies and concepts relevant to an election, do you think the presidential race is unique or significantly different to the process in every other country?

[editline]21st June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559460]
Never underestimate stupid. They're both coincidentally UK migrants too. Idk why people think it's easy.[/QUOTE]

the answer staring me in the face is probably the fact that we don't have guns in the UK

[Venomousbeetle]

There's really no reason to be a dick I didn't even antagonize

[karlosfandango]

[QUOTE=TCB;50559585]uh i'm clearly just changing the scenario, what sort of logic is "person of [place] did a bad thing so i should discredit anyone from that place"? should we reconsider US folk because of your bad posts?

you don't have to be an american citizen to be able to at least grasp the ideologies and concepts relevant to an election, do you think the presidential race is unique or significantly different to the process in every other country?

[editline]21st June 2016[/editline]

the answer staring me in the face is probably the fact that we don't have guns in the UK[/QUOTE]

Trump's ideologies would have far reaching consequences too, including the UK.

[TCB]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559596]There's really no reason to be a dick I didn't even antagonize[/QUOTE]

i'm not tryna be argumentative about it i was just hoping you'd actually reply to the point i made rather than just ad hominem it up by focusing on a comparison i made

like why would you discredit UK folk just because of this guy? isn't the whole "extreme minority" thing a bit of a cliche by now?

[Venomousbeetle]

[QUOTE=TCB;50559585]the answer staring me in the face is probably the fact that we don't have guns in the UK[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the person I'm replying to is in disbelief and from UK, surely not everyone there is this ignorant?

[editline]21st June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=TCB;50559600]i'm not tryna be argumentative about it i was just hoping you'd actually reply to the point i made rather than just ad hominem it up by focusing on a comparison i made

like why would you discredit UK folk just because of this guy? isn't the whole "extreme minority" thing a bit of a cliche by now?[/QUOTE]

I didn't? Also confusion isn't ad hom.

Edit:

If you're gonna pull the falacies game I might aswell say you are strawmanning even though I didn't put forward any arguments.

[TCB]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559604]Yeah but the person I'm replying to is in disbelief and from UK, surely not everyone there is this ignorant?
[/QUOTE]

of course not, i don't think that woman is an accurate representation of a UK citizen nor do i think people as stupid as her are unique to the UK

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559604]
I didn't? Also confusion isn't ad hom[/QUOTE]

[quote]If nothing else it's gonna make the people think twice about listening to UK citizens about voting[/quote]

why would any reasonable person use this as grounds to think twice before listening to UK citizens discussing US politics, as if we're all so ignorant to the subtleties of the system that we all share the same go-to response of half-assed assassination attempts? i don't think i'm strawmanning, you literally said "a UK criminal is reason to not listen to UK citizens"

[editline]21st June 2016[/editline]

the only reason these people being UK citizens is significant is because they're ignorant to gun knowledge due to the fact that we don't have guns in the UK, it's got absolutely nothing to do with politics nor is it a logical reason to "think twice about listening to UK citizens about voting"

[Zephyrs]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559460]Idk people do actually think this is possible.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KrpByik.jpg[/img]

Never underestimate stupid. They're both coincidentally UK migrants too. Idk why people think it's easy.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty standard retention holster. I'd love to see her try.

[Venomousbeetle]

[QUOTE=TCB;50559634]words[/QUOTE]

So do you think ultra_bright was advocating a 3rd world war between US and UK with his post?

Or are you so sensitive about your country's representation that you just imagine persecution and defend it from non existent criticisms?

Edit:

Also to say an attempted assassination on a presidential candidate at a campaign rally has nothing to do with politics is a stretch

[TCB]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559680]So do you think ultra_bright was advocating a 3rd world war between US and UK with his post?

Or are you so sensitive about your country's representation that you just imagine persecution and defend it from non existent criticisms?[/QUOTE]

ultra_bright's post literally didn't cross my mind so i'm not even sure how you'd jump to that conclusion, honestly the assumption i made was more along the lines of you probably getting burned at some point by a UK poster in a thread about US politics and now you can use this article as an excuse to "think twice about listening to them"

which most likely wasn't the case but you're yet to provide any slightly reasonable reason as to why any of this is "gonna make the people think twice about listening to UK citizens", because since when have UK citizens legitimately influenced US voters? i don't care abut you criticizing my country [sp]i've been pretty vocal about not being a fan britain in the past[/sp], my point this entire time has been that this person being a UK citizen holds absolutely no significance and it's crazy to suggest it would be a fair reason to think twice before listening to people just because they happen to be from the same country

[quote] Also to say an attempted assassination on a presidential candidate at a campaign rally has nothing to do with politics is a stretch[/quote]

this guy was insane [sp]and that woman is an edgy hipster[/sp], this guy could've been from absolutely anywhere and i'm pretty sure the odds would be more likely that he'd be an american, i say it has nothing to do with politics because he just happened to be from a country that [I]doesn't even have guns[/I] yet you seem to be implying that this is just UK mentality and that we shouldn't be listened to?

if anything's a stretch, it'd be the idea that a couple of people from the UK doing stupid things with guns is reason to not listen to them [sp]because UK citizens are the only ones to do ignorant or crazy shit with guns i guess[/sp]

[editline]21st June 2016[/editline]

i'm not even trying to argue, i'm just trying to understand the mental acrobatics had to go through to come to the conclusion that
[quote]
If nothing else it's gonna make the people think twice about listening to UK citizens about voting
[/quote]

[editline]21st June 2016[/editline]

a good parallel that kinda highlights my point is that you assume i'm arguing for some sensitive pride reasons [sp]when i pretty much hate the UK lol[/sp] just because i happen to be from the UK, even though i'd be saying the same things regardless of my nationality

[sp]this post looks a bit like a CIA document[/sp]

[Mort Stroodle]

[QUOTE= Kljunas]Now I'm not advocating for assassination [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FetusFondler]So what, is that an excuse to attempt an assassination?[/QUOTE]
??????????

[Venomousbeetle]

It was a response to the people above me discussing whether or not his UK license would cause tension to the point of war.

Edit:

For some one who claims I used ad hom in a non argument you really like to word things very rudely. This entire conversation is from your own wild misunderstanding, you even admit you totally ignored context, and possibly the wording. Leave me alone.

[TCB]

well to be fair the idea of it causing a world war is as outlandish as people denouncing citizens of a country because of the actions of a gun-toting black sheep, by that logic nobody would listen to america :v:

i didn't mean to sound argumentative but what do you expect when your post comes across as "next time i'm in a debate with a UK poster i'll think of this and it'll remind me to think twice before listening to them", you could've just answered my point and i wouldn't type up so much bullshit, you wouldn't be the first person to be mad about someone from a different country discussing their own country's politics so forgive me for drawing the connection, no need to get so upset about it

[sp]thanks for editing out "word things like an asshole" with "word things very rudely" tho, didn't wanna call you a hypocrite bby[/sp]

[smithy285]

[QUOTE=Alice_01;50557333]You cannot upholster a cops gun[/QUOTE]

Sorry if this sounds like a ridiculous question, but why can you not do that? Being from the UK I have never seen a holster