Man tried to grab gun and kill Donald Trump at Vegas rally. - Polidicks

Didn't say I though just like he didn't say he'd start a world war over this "No need to get so upset about it" lol Hi pot I'm kettle [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=smithy285;50559772]Sorry if this sounds like a ridiculous question, but why can you not do that? Being from the UK I have never seen a holster[/QUOTE] I'm not too sure myself but the first thing I notice from the picture I had from last time someone thought they could it has a strap on top of the gun, possibly locked tight.

by upset i don't mean "no need to make a fuss", i've already made it clear that i'm not fretting bout some sorta hurt-pride bullshit and was just trying to figure out what you meant i mean i've done nothing but present points and ask questions, i wasn't even trying to argue i said don't get so upset as in "don't take it too personally when someone questions you on something or opens discussion + don't tell them to ~leave you alone~" and i apologized, you already had "I didn't even antagonize" going for ya why ruin that :v:

Alright I'm sorry. [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] I am sort of interested in gun culture from UK perspective- I know there is no 2nd amendment there but I thought there were still armed people, especially cops and government (I've seen the queen aim an AR before) and posts like the never seeing a holster and such made me wonder because I am American but I've only seen a gun in the hands of one person besides law enforcement and I still feel like I've seen and learned a lot from media like somewhat accurate video games and film and even Internet. Hell I think first thing to come up in the minds of Americans when thinking "British film" is probably Bond right?

[QUOTE=smithy285;50559772]Sorry if this sounds like a ridiculous question, but why can you not do that? Being from the UK I have never seen a holster[/QUOTE] Cops generally use a level III holster. You have to do two separate actions to be able to pull the gun from the holster plus friction. Level I holster: Its just friction holding the gun in. Level II holster: Friction plus an action. Normally that button strap that its pretty easy to see. Such as from "disarm a cop in McDonald's" lady picture. Level III holster: Same stuff as previous levels plus one more additional action. Normally something designed to prevent someone else from another angle from being able to take the weapon. So basically its really hard to pull the gun out from any other angle than straight up.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559804]Alright I'm sorry. [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] I am sort of interested in gun culture from UK perspective- I know there is no 2nd amendment there but I thought there were still armed people, especially cops and government (I've seen the queen aim an AR before) and posts like the never seeing a holster and such made me wonder because I am American but I've only seen a gun in the hands of one person besides law enforcement and I still feel like I've seen and learned a lot from media like somewhat accurate video games and film and even Internet. Hell I think first thing to come up in the minds of Americans when thinking "British film" is probably Bond right?[/QUOTE] for the average UK citizen, a gun is an air rifle/pistol, a proper hunting rifle or shotgun. we've never followed the same belief of "you automatically have a right to own a gun" and the idea of people carrying firearms everywhere is alien to us, americans attach a symbolism to weapons because it was part of the constitution that founded your country and there's all that history to it but we've never had that in the UK so to us it's the same principle as outlawing drugs. we don't believe someone is born with the right to carry a knife with them [sp]and i'm not allowed to roam around with my crossbow:([/sp] gun safety is by no means a "common knowledge" sorta thing over here either and the firearm enthusiast scene is of course much smaller, to the point where the only peolpe with even slightly extensive knowledge of weaponry are those who have gone out of their way to study the topic purely out of interest rather than necessity and those who apply for permits and hunt and get involved with other firearm-relating stuff a good example would be that when i see american folk break down some gun info out of nowhere i get pretty impressed, like when there's just an image of a gun in an article and someone points out the brand and people start discussing it because i'm naturally naive to how widespread gun culture is in the states [sp]and my only knowledge of guns is just shit from games which i can't imagine is reliable but i'm not much of a gun nut anyway[/sp] [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] of course i can't speak for everyone, plenty of british people are huge gun enthusiasts and know everything about them so they might be just as shocked as you when they see someone from the UK ignorant to how a holster works, but personally guns are almost something of fantasy and my primary contact with them are "special occasion" sorta blips in time like a pistol at a shooting range once, the closest thing to gun culture we have is the fact that we all love to bring our air rifles along when we go camping so we can shoot dem rabbits [sp]but i'm out in the rural farmland south so that probably isn't so prevalent in the more industrial places[/sp]

spoiler tags, the post [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] But yeah it's ridiculous if people are seriously going to be in anyway focusing on the fact he was from the UK. As it's been pointed out foreign people have tried to murder officials and people of import all the time and it doesn't instantly mean people need to start flipping out about that particular country.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559460]Idk people do actually think this is possible. [img]http://i.imgur.com/KrpByik.jpg[/img] Never underestimate stupid. They're both coincidentally UK migrants too. Idk why people think it's easy.[/QUOTE] Brits generally have an abysmal understanding of firearms

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50559460]Idk people do actually think this is possible. [img]http://i.imgur.com/KrpByik.jpg[/img] Never underestimate stupid. They're both coincidentally UK migrants too. Idk why people think it's easy.[/QUOTE] You're allowed to open carry in NYC? Damn I would've thought they ban all forms of carry in the city.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;50560418]You're allowed to open carry in NYC? Damn I would've thought they ban all forms of carry in the city.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that's a NYPD officer: [t]https://www.colorlines.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_lead_normal/public/images/articles/2012/02/nypd-ny-muslims-811.jpg?itok=XOVtlyU9[/t]

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50557336]Retard just destroyed his life trying to kill someone who is not even going to become president anyway.[/QUOTE] You seem so convinced of that. We'd be far better off with Trump than hillary.

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;50557366]If that was such a certainty, this guy wouldn't have tried something like this. There wouldn't be violent protests at Trump rallies.[/QUOTE] i mean, we've clearly established just how outrageously incompetent and stupid this guy is, yet apparently he's a good indicator of trump's chances?

apparently someone trying to kill him and protests means he has good chances somehow and not that people just really don't like him

It means people actually think he's close enough to be threatened by him

true, but my point is that these things don't mean he's actually winning, just that some people believe he is

Does anyone else think that there wasn't nearly enough of a media reaction to this? Someone just tried to assassinate a presidential candidate, for crying out loud.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50563416]Does anyone else think that there wasn't nearly enough of a media reaction to this? Someone just tried to assassinate a presidential candidate, for crying out loud.[/QUOTE] More that a kid tussled with a cop near a presidential candidate though.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50563416]Someone just tried to assassinate a presidential candidate, for crying out loud.[/QUOTE] It's not being treated as such by anyone really, he's not even being accused of attempted murder, just act of violence on restricted grounds, pretty much the same as if someone tried to punch Trump. Or anyone really, he could have tried to punch anyone at the rally and he'd probably get the same accusation.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50563416]Does anyone else think that there wasn't nearly enough of a media reaction to this? Someone just tried to assassinate a presidential candidate, for crying out loud.[/QUOTE] Depressingly no I don't think you are the only one who thinks that.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50563760]It's not being treated as such by anyone really, he's not even being accused of attempted murder, just act of violence on restricted grounds, pretty much the same as if someone tried to punch Trump. Or anyone really, he could have tried to punch anyone at the rally and he'd probably get the same accusation.[/QUOTE] Well it was hardly the most elaborate assassination attempt ever. He's quite young and I don't really think anyone was in any danger from him considering he didn't even bother to do minimal research on the key proponent of his plan: how holsters work. He did intend to kill Trump, but I don't think this really deserves to be treated as anything more than violence on restricted grounds.

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50564000]Well it was hardly the most elaborate assassination attempt ever. He's quite young and I don't really think anyone was in any danger from him considering he didn't even bother to do minimal research on the key proponent of his plan: how holsters work. He did intend to kill Trump, but I don't think this really deserves to be treated as anything more than violence on restricted grounds.[/QUOTE] Attempted murder is attempted murder, even if the perpetrator is an idiot.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50564074]Attempted murder is attempted murder, even if the perpetrator is an idiot.[/QUOTE] Was there even an attempt though? If he hadn't confessed it'd be hard to prove attempted murder.

But he [i]did[/i] confess, it doesn't matter

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50564135]But he [i]did[/i] confess, it doesn't matter[/QUOTE] Yeah I know, it's just, really dumb. You get into a scuffle with a cop for his gun, which is stupid and a bad plan, but whatever, and then when arrested, cop to attempting murder, with a year of pre-meditation. You could even argue that your emotions got the better of you with being at a Trump rally, and for whatever reason, you fought the cop, but nope. I mean that would all be bullshit, but if this guy was rich or had rich parents, he could get away with this no problem.

Good thing cops are trained really well in keeping your gun in your holster if under attack.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50563416]Does anyone else think that there wasn't nearly enough of a media reaction to this? Someone just tried to assassinate a presidential candidate, for crying out loud.[/QUOTE] It's funny because after reading this I was super curious if this was something unique to Trump running and people fearing that he might win, or if all Presidential Candidates go through this. Apparently there have been something like 16 attempts on Obama, ranging from gunfire, to use of rycen. I don't remember hearing about this at all in the news!

[QUOTE=meatwad253;50564868]Good thing cops are trained really well in keeping your gun in your holster if under attack.[/QUOTE] Anyone open carrying will generally use a Level II or III holster. For the express purpose of resisting being disarmed. And generally the only training you have to do is know how to keep the gun shoved into the holster while using your free hand to strike the assailant. Attempting to disarm can be used for justification of deadly force. So if anyone knows crazy "I can easily disarm" lady, they should tell her that if she attempted that there is a good chance she'd get seriously injured or killed.

Must have watched Top Gear and thought the American police were like the Romanians [QUOTE][vid]https://storage.gra1.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_cb7a5e3329844fd1a8ab7205fdc70060/public/videos/top_gear/specials/romania/police.mp4[/vid][/QUOTE]

All this makes we wonder how similiar Trump and his charisma are to Huey Long (a radical 1930's politician). All I remember off the top of my head was that Long was assassinated eventually.

[QUOTE=omarfr;50566028]It's funny because after reading this I was super curious if this was something unique to Trump running and people fearing that he might win, or if all Presidential Candidates go through this. Apparently there have been something like 16 attempts on Obama, ranging from gunfire, to use of rycen. I don't remember hearing about this at all in the news![/QUOTE]I don't either, I think it should have been reported. I think Monkah would agree. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=adamsz;50568197]All this makes we wonder how similiar Trump and his charisma are to Huey Long (a radical 1930's politician). All I remember off the top of my head was that Long was assassinated eventually.[/QUOTE]Well both are/were wild populist candidates who said a lot of crazy shit and got their supporters [I]fucking pumped.[/I]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50568510]Well both are/were wild populist candidates who said a lot of crazy shit and got their supporters [I]fucking pumped.[/I][/QUOTE] I bet Trump would get a better memorial bridge than the one Long got... Behold it's beauty: [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/USS_New_Orleans_under_Huey_P_Long_Bridge.jpg[/t]