[QUOTE=Conscript;44926447]Did it ever cross your mind that my opponents claim to be liberals?[/QUOTE]
no because it's entirely irrelevant to you being a hypocrite???
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926447]Did it ever cross your mind that my opponents claim to be liberals?[/QUOTE]
What are you even on about?
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926296]Nope. I'm not a liberal.[/QUOTE]
You're fucking unbelievable.
I'm a hypocrite on a position I've never held? Cool story bro. Maybe you should be more worried about people who endlessly talk about freedom and democracy, your side, banning parties and torching their offices.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926510]I'm a hypocrite on a position I've never held? Cool story bro. Maybe you should be more worried about people who endlessly talk about freedom and democracy, your side, banning parties and torching their offices.[/QUOTE]
You could win the tour de france backwards with all this backpedaling.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926510]I'm a hypocrite on a position I've never held? Cool story bro. Maybe you should be more worried about people who endlessly talk about freedom and democracy, your side, banning parties and torching their offices.[/QUOTE]
The Communist party of Ukraine isn't banned and won't be banned
[QUOTE=Streecer;44926549]You could win the tour de france backwards with all this backpedaling.[/QUOTE]
lol, keep making it up as you go along. it might substitute as an argument someday. I never have and never will support liberal democracy, sorry.
And you'll forgive me LB if I don't take your word for it, after Symonenko has been beaten, his Kiev office occupied and trashed, and the Rada wanted to ban it immediately after feb 22nd.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926651]lol, keep making it up as you go along. it might substitute as an argument someday. I never have and never will support liberal democracy, sorry.
And you'll forgive me LB if I don't take your word for it, after Symonenko has been beaten, his Kiev office occupied and trashed, and the Rada wanted to ban it immediately after feb 22nd.[/QUOTE]
There's an awful lot of hyperbole but not a lot of facts coming from you, we've got nothing tangible to argue against.
but im sure our glorious communist masters will come and liberate us from the evil democracy right lmao
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926651]lol, keep making it up as you go along. it might substitute as an argument someday. I never have and never will support liberal democracy, sorry.
And you'll forgive me LB if I don't take your word for it, after Symonenko has been beaten, his Kiev office occupied and trashed, and the Rada wanted to ban it immediately after feb 22nd.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but they won't be banned. Most politicians in Ukraine got beaten up at some point of their career. It's part of the fun.
I've cited all three in multiple threads. I know LB (who as I recall, really doesn't mind any KPU bans) and other frequent opponents of mine are aware of it, good enough for me. I have no idea who you are, just another shitposter from what I can discern.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44926708]Okay, but they won't be banned. Most politicians in Ukraine got beaten up at some point of their career. It's part of the fun.[/QUOTE]
It's like things have gotten so bad over there you've just detached yourself. Even militant Ukrainian nationalism is a joke to you.
Also, that assault happened in the Rada by Svoboda MPs, not in some random street by a random nazi
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926710]I've cited all three in multiple threads. I know LB (who as I recall, really doesn't mind any KPU bans) and other frequent opponents of mine are aware of it, good enough for me. I have no idea who you are, just another shitposter from what I can discern.[/QUOTE]
You cited the kremlin, who only suspected western involvement, and two blogs, not exactly compelling evidence.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926710]It's like things have gotten so bad over there you've just detached yourself. Even militant Ukrainian nationalism is a joke to you.
Also, that assault happened in the Rada by Svoboda MPs, not in some random street by a random nazi[/QUOTE]
Rada fights are our national sport
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44926756]Rada fights are our national sport[/QUOTE]
That's horrible. Are you just as complacent with the oligarchs?
[quote]You cited the kremlin, who only suspected western involvement, and two blogs, not exactly compelling evidence.[/quote]
Those were summary pieces I recommended to one guy, that that 'kremlin' piece was an op-ed by a political scientist in the Guardian.
Anyway, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FW4xirM48]the attack in the Rada[/url], [url=http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/politics/article/greek-community-terrified-over-developments-in-ukraine]Bill 4201 to ban KPU activity[/url], [url=http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-fee2-Communists-barred-from-Ukrainian-parliament#.U4UQ2vldXEo]repression and attacks on communists[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/BSpringnote/status/463638673896919040](2)[/url] [url=http://solidnet.org/germany-german-communist-party/german-cp-common-statement-of-ptb-dkp-kpl-ncpn-on-the-attacks-against-ukrainian-communists-en-de](3)[/url]
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926651]lol, keep making it up as you go along. it might substitute as an argument someday. I never have and never will support liberal democracy, sorry.
And you'll forgive me LB if I don't take your word for it, after Symonenko has been beaten, his Kiev office occupied and trashed, and the Rada wanted to ban it immediately after feb 22nd.[/QUOTE]
Conscript I honestly don't understand how you think you are able to argue Ukrainian politics with someone from Ukraine. You have zero credibility just stop
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926789]That's horrible. Are you just as complacent with the oligarchs?
Those were summary pieces I recommended to one guy, that that 'kremlin' piece was an op-ed by a political scientist in the Guardian.
Anyway, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FW4xirM48]the attack in the Rada[/url], [url=http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/politics/article/greek-community-terrified-over-developments-in-ukraine]Bill 4201 to ban KPU activity[/url], [url=http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-fee2-Communists-barred-from-Ukrainian-parliament#.U4UQ2vldXEo]repression and attacks on communists[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/BSpringnote/status/463638673896919040](2)[/url] [url=http://solidnet.org/germany-german-communist-party/german-cp-common-statement-of-ptb-dkp-kpl-ncpn-on-the-attacks-against-ukrainian-communists-en-de](3)[/url][/QUOTE]
Those sources have as much credibility as you (AKA none)
i don't know man i get all my geopolitical news from twitter
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926789]That's horrible. Are you just as complacent with the oligarchs?[/QUOTE]
No. But oligarchy is inevitable with capitalism. The US is an oligarchy and so is Russia
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44926844]No. But oligarchy is inevitable with capitalism. The US is an oligarchy and so is Russia[/QUOTE]
0.o
I think you might be the target of the box shitstorm soon.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44924096]The west is the greater imperialist, and it shows, they had much to do with the Ukraine's situation happening in the first place.
Russia was quiet during Maidan, and when the West carried out its coup with the aid of Ukrainian nationalism, Putin seized the most (pro-)Russian territory that was even until fairly recently part of Russia, and sent a message: Russia won't stand by idly by and let the EU/NATO and their West Ukrainian allies bully their way into owning East Ukraine, which has many ties to Russia.
I think it's just funny since his move was so blunt it sent Westerners into a stupor. This can't happen in the 21st century, but enacting regime change with billions of dollars and fascists on the ground can.[/QUOTE]
I miss Rayhalo
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926860]0.o
I think you might be the target of the shitstorm soon.[/QUOTE]
Nope. I'm going to bed. But have fun
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926860]0.o
I think you might be the target of the box shitstorm soon.[/QUOTE]
Actually that honor is yours.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44926870]Nope. I'm going to bed. But have fun[/QUOTE]
I'm sure most of people here would disagree oligarchy is inherent to capitalism or that America is one.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44926860]0.o
I think you might be the target of the box shitstorm soon.[/QUOTE]
This whole thread has been an American trying to tell a Ukranian what is going on in the Ukraine. Oh facepunch, never change.
Comrade Conscript, I think that instead of supporting the imperialism of Russia, or the imperialism of the EU and US, it would be best to support the autonomy of the workers of Ukraine? You can't seriously support the puppet regime in Donetsk and defend the Russian influence there? And surely the liberal bourgeois regime of Europe is better than the backwards oligarchy of Russia? Even if we had to take sides, which we do not, then would the west not be the better option here? Or are you one of the ones who insist that every aristocrat, czar, and mass murderer who opposes American imperialism must be the better of the two options? Is it not the goal of the leftist to oppose the despot to empower the bourgeoisie, and then oppose the bourgeois using the tools of the bourgeois state to empower the working class? Sure, there is a relatively small fascist threat in Ukraine, but does the empowering of a minor foe mean that we must embrace a greater evil?
I'm just going to PM you as that's really off-topic, and will probably blow up into an ugly 'quote, response, quote, response' block. For the record, I prefer Borotba over other separatists, and there has been independent workers' action against Maidan.
Conscript, if you want to argue about how great donetsk is why don't you go over there and see for yourself?
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
Oh, and heres something else to think about: Donetsk police said the insurgents had killed two policemen in the nearby town of Horlivka, and it was reported that the men had been executed with sacks over their heads for "breaking their oath to the Donetsk People's Republic".[228]
[QUOTE=Conscript;44927074]I'm just going to PM you as that's really off-topic, and will probably blow up into an ugly 'quote, response, quote, response' block. For the record, I prefer Borotba over other separatists, and there has been independent workers' action against Maidan.[/QUOTE]
until you start posting facts and sources that aren't as sketchy as possible, then yeah, stop posting in the thread.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44927074]I'm just going to PM you as that's really off-topic, and will probably blow up into an ugly 'quote, response, quote, response' block. [/QUOTE]
You know, if you actually backed up your words instead of layering on an endless stream of unsubstantiated claims than maybe people would take you more seriously. Insisting you're right regardless of the facts doesn't change said facts.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44927074]I'm just going to PM you as that's really off-topic, and will probably blow up into an ugly 'quote, response, quote, response' block. For the record, I prefer Borotba over other separatists, and there has been independent workers' action against Maidan.[/QUOTE]
Please stay away from all future threads too, some of us want to read the news not your brainless drivel.
no, I already do, no
Whining isn't going to make me go away, sorry. You can always try educating yourself and debating me, but I guess that's too much to ask.
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[QUOTE=Conscript;44927653]no, I already do, no
Whining isn't going to make me go away, sorry. You can always try educating yourself and debating me, but I guess that's too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
"Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a retard."
Right. You know, if you think so low of everyone that disagrees with you why do you even post in the first place? Why do our 'lowly' opinions matter? Surely your time is better spend elsewhere discussing with other like-minded gentlemen than speaking with the common rabble.
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