Kid from my school with Autism receives 2 day suspension - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42486985]Being autistic doesn't make you exempt from punishment. What did he do (or allegedly do) to be suspended?[/QUOTE] Which is correct, and a smart point [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487003]Try robbing a bank and then pleading ignorant of the law and see how far that gets your defence [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I.E. ignorance isn't a defence[/QUOTE] and then I realized you're just very naive. Pleading ignorant of something obviously wrong, wow, how obviously foolish of an example this is. The only person "pleading ignorant" are the ones who are bad liars or are guilty by definition of insanity because they don't understand the nature of what they are doing. [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487068]Sure. But that wasn't my point ; my point was that not understanding what's wrong shouldn't exempt him from punishment. Not understanding it's wrong to murder someone doesn't get you off on a manslaughter charge.[/QUOTE] Not understanding it's wrong to murder is called "Insanity", and not only does this not even slightly compare but technically insanity does get you off on the account that you are hospitalized so that you can be treated until you understand why it's not right to murder people. not only that but what does mental insanity and autism have to do with one another? and a minor outburst and murdering someone? One is due to an abnormality in the way one thinks, and the other is a spurt of complete psychosis or rage. [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487115]So he shouldn't get punished just because he's autistic? What sort of precedent does that set? They can get anyway with anything and blame it on their condition?[/QUOTE] As in the context of examples you put forth should a schizophrenic man be punished for murder because he doesn't understand? not that autism is anything close but you like to use these extreme examples so why can't I? [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487130]You need to be declared mentally incompetent to get off on a psych charge in most countries. And why should autistic people be punished differently than an average person?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism"]It's very obvious you are ignorant of what autism actually is.[/URL] Autistic's think differently. They aren't insane, or retarded, or stupid, or anything, they are just different, so you have to treat them accordingly so and accomodate them for their "Illness". You can't punish them when they do something out of hand when they have no control, you instead have to work with them to try and make them understand how to act and how to work with autism. Punishing them means they may not even understand why they are being treated like that and it may just make it even more confusing. Autism is a very serious disease and because of this, yes, they obviously SHOULD be punished differently than an average person because they are [U]not an average person[/U]. Autism is an abnormality of the brain but it isn't anything like down syndrome, the person is able to function perfectly well but they'll never be the same as the "Average person". Hell, even with love and care someone with downsyndrome is capable of running a functioning family, but that falls under a very different form of illness and another discussion. [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487201]Your post was dumb. Try re-reading it and you might find the logical fallacy. Try looking up legal precedent too.[/QUOTE] Your post was dumb. Try re-reading it and you might find the logical fallacy. Try looking up legal precedent too. [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487241]It is extremely dumb. You're trying to counter my point that people with autism should be punished in the same way as someone without, by mentioning pretty much a parallel. You've added nothing but ad hominem to the discussion because my original point applies to your retort.[/QUOTE] you should really learn about what the hell you're talking about before going around saying shit like this. It's damn embarrassing. Autistic individuals should be punished but only in a way that accommodate the fact that they have autism. They do not think like the average person so while you should treat them fairly, it is not fair to punish them the same way, because that would be in itself, unfair.

[QUOTE=LarparNar;42488110]It's not about "not punishing someone because they have autism" [B]it's about not punishing someone for something they have no control over.[/B] His post is also dumb because he's being ignorant while claiming ignorance isn't a defense.[/QUOTE] "My parents are both awful people so I'm going to murder them both." But since I still don't know what he did, I'm going to stick to his side for now.

I would like to note that we still have no idea really what he is being punished for. Yes it was an outburst but we have no idea the severity of that outburst or what was said. Some people are phrasing it as a "minor outburt" or other such rather biased details for their argument when we still dont know that. He could have gotten angry and threatened to kill her for all we know and it was written off as an outburst because of him being autistic and a lighter punishment was given. Obviously I dont think that is what it was, but just as an example of how little information we really have.

[QUOTE=Rhenae;42495639]I would like to note that we still have no idea really what he is being punished for. Yes it was an outburst but we have no idea the severity of that outburst or what was said. Some people are phrasing it as a "minor outburt" or other such rather biased details for their argument when we still dont know that. He could have gotten angry and threatened to kill her for all we know and it was written off as an outburst because of him being autistic and a lighter punishment was given. Obviously I dont think that is what it was, but just as an example of how little information we really have.[/QUOTE] 2 days seems alright but people who act like equal punishment to that of the average kid are being silly that being said, 2 days is alright if what he did was quite 'severe', etc.

[QUOTE=gk99;42494673]"My parents are both awful people so I'm going to murder them both."[/QUOTE] How is that even remotely close to what I was saying? (I'll admit I could have put a "doing" in there, so it would have been: "it's about not punishing someone for doing something they have no control over", but considering the topic at hand it should have been fairly easy to deduce the meaning anyway, unless of course you are deliberately misinterpreting).

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