Transgender Icon Allegedly Banned From Facebook For 'Transphobic Slurs' - Polidicks

Otherkin and the otherkin community on Tumblr are a generally separate and really horrible and harmful barrel of fish. There is some conflation with transgender-related stuff with them (like the recent "nounself" pronoun debacle) but they should be treated as different topics except for the rare points at which they coincide. As long as people aren't equating pretending you're an animal or the literal embodiment of space to being trans, that's fine.

[QUOTE=Phi7788;44582856]I would def. say it was my bad for not communicating that well[/QUOTE] Hey, no biggie. You didn't start attacking people and I'm happy that most didn't try to attack you. Glad we could come to a conclusion c:

[QUOTE=.Lain;44582827]only to fucking idiots. who cares the only people associating the 'otherkin' kinds of people with the transgendered are the transphobes themselves. almost always in an attempt to make legitimately transgendered people look worse i've seen a lot of shit in these kinds of threads and on tumblr, but the only place i've legitimately seen this otherkin stuff is from the transphobic community right here on facepunch[/QUOTE] But thats the thing Homophobes and transphobes will use those people as fuel against the whole and overall slow or set back the LGBT community

[QUOTE=Phi7788;44582876]But thats the thing Homophobes and transphobes will use those people as fuel against the whole and overall slow or set back the LGBT community[/QUOTE] and that's not the fault of the 'otherkin' kinds of people, that's right down to those transphobes you mention using them as a means to offend

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;44581617]We'll speak orkish. It's really quite easy, just angry grunting with the odd blown on the head for emphasis.[/QUOTE] Oi, dun tell me dat i gots to talk like an ork wen yah aint even doin' it! I's feelin sum offense to dat, so yous gonna be feelin my choppa! [QUOTE=Phi7788;44582695]Theres all sorts of blogs and journals out there dedicated to the eradication of "cis scum" so[/QUOTE] Yeah, and I bet more than half of them aren't even serious. [QUOTE=Naught;44582786]I set me gitfinder to pansy, and im seein a whole loada gits[/QUOTE] My cybork eye ses dat dese aint even orks at all!

[QUOTE=Phi7788;44582735]Also what I was referring to originally are people who refer to themselves as "Otherkin" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin[/url] [url]http://www.otherkin.net/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.otherkincommunity.net/[/url] so yes, people do identify as dragonflies and shit[/QUOTE] The whole otherkin thing has nothing to do with transgenderism, given that species dysphoria doesn't actually exist and the people who say they have it consider themselves marginalised on the same scale as people with real issues and trivialise them so it would be best if you just gave them no attention

[QUOTE=Jacen;44582900]Oi, dun tell me dat i gots to talk like an ork wen yah aint even doin' it! I's feelin sum offense to dat, so yous gonna be feelin my choppa! Yeah, and I bet more than half of them aren't even serious.[/QUOTE] On a related note, I hate people who go "you can't fight fire with fire!!!" because it's fucking wrong. Even if every single trans person was overtly aggressive about progression, I wouldn't have a problem with it. People should have the right to fight for acceptance and proper treatment, and smiling pretty and kindly asking oppressors to stop oppressing isn't going to work.

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;44582927]On a related note, I hate people who go "you can't fight fire with fire!!!" because it's fucking wrong. Even if every single trans person was overtly aggressive about progression, I wouldn't have a problem with it. People should have the right to fight for acceptance and proper treatment, and smiling pretty and kindly asking oppressors to stop oppressing isn't going to work.[/QUOTE] im sure my race has gotten their independence by politely asking the french to leave vietnam, on the contrary!!!

[QUOTE=.Lain;44582707]uhh on top of the possibly large amount of death threats and general insults aimed at them on a daily basis?[/QUOTE] But that's not a reason for infighting amongst the community...?

[QUOTE=.Lain;44581279]i doubt that's really the reason people wanted you to go away but w/e[/QUOTE] It's not like they specifically indicated that they wanted me to go away, in fact I had used the word trans for lack of knowledge in the terminology. To this day, it still confuses me whether to call an FtM a transman or transwoman and vice versa.

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;44582927]On a related note, I hate people who go "you can't fight fire with fire!!!" because it's fucking wrong. Even if every single trans person was overtly aggressive about progression, I wouldn't have a problem with it. People should have the right to fight for acceptance and proper treatment, and smiling pretty and kindly asking oppressors to stop oppressing isn't going to work.[/QUOTE] Exactly. If women just asked politely for sufferage in the early 1900's then we'd still be unable to vote. Same with black people. Laying down and taking it while asking occasionally to be treated like a human isn't going to do shit

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;44582927]On a related note, I hate people who go "you can't fight fire with fire!!!" because it's fucking wrong. Even if every single trans person was overtly aggressive about progression, I wouldn't have a problem with it. People should have the right to fight for acceptance and proper treatment, and smiling pretty and kindly asking oppressors to stop oppressing isn't going to work.[/QUOTE] They should tell the folks who were at Stonewall to not to "fight fire with fire".

[QUOTE=Phi7788;44582805]That's not what I was inferring, I was saying it is rediculous to identify as such if you are not really transgender. These people don't really feel that they are trangender dragonflies, they add as many modifiers to themselves as possible to fit in with that crowd. Them identifying as trans in my eyes is extremely offensive because they are making actual trans people lose credibility.[/QUOTE] overexposure of a very small minority is not the fault of the minority but those over exposing them. It's not the responsibility of those sensible to separate themselves from the dumb ones, that's your responsibility. you should be smart enough to figure that shit on your own

[QUOTE=BFG9000;44582952]It's not like they specifically indicated that they wanted me to go away, in fact I had used the word trans for lack of knowledge in the terminology. To this day, it still confuses me whether to call an FtM a transman or transwoman and vice versa.[/QUOTE] If they were born female, but they're transitioning/have transitioned to living as a man, They're a trans-man. If it's the opposite (born male, but transitioning/have transitioned to living as a woman) they're a trans woman.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;44582942]But that's not a reason for infighting amongst the community...?[/QUOTE] stress and anxiety from constant bigotry leads to depression which in most people leads to mood swings and "snapping" on people.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44582959]Exactly. If women just asked politely for sufferage in the early 1900's then we'd still be unable to vote. Same with black people. Laying down and taking it while asking occasionally to be treated like a human isn't going to do shit[/QUOTE] MLK got really far though...

[QUOTE=BFG9000;44583018]MLK got really far though...[/QUOTE] MLK's speeches were not quiet petitions for social progression. He spoke in front of thousands of people and inspired them to make a change with their actions. The language he used in his speeches was also fairly heated and controversial at the time.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;44583018]MLK got really far though...[/QUOTE] He wasn't violent, but at the same time he wasn't quiet. I don't mean that we've gotta start tossing firebombs at cis people to get respect, just that letting bigots control when we get treated like humans does nothing

fuck me i worded this wrong i need some sleep

[QUOTE=Crash155;44583082][url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Jayne_County_2_by_David_Shankbone.JPG/800px-Jayne_County_2_by_David_Shankbone.JPG]NOT SAFE FOR EYES[/url] what the FUCK do i even call this person[/QUOTE] exactly what she identifies as: a woman

[QUOTE=Paige;44583089]exactly what she identifies as: a woman[/QUOTE] nononononno I understand that i just don't know how to react i just dont even

[QUOTE=Crash155;44583082][url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Jayne_County_2_by_David_Shankbone.JPG/800px-Jayne_County_2_by_David_Shankbone.JPG]NOT SAFE FOR EYES[/url] what the FUCK do i even call this person[/QUOTE] Uh, I take it she identifies as a woman, so... a woman?? Like, gosh, yeah, she looks older and maybe she's a bit reactionary, but there's never any reason to act like that, dude.

[QUOTE=Crash155;44583094]nononononno I understand that i just don't know how to react i just dont even[/QUOTE] I don't even get what you're saying because she looks like any woman you'd see on the street and not think twice about

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44583104]I don't even get what you're saying because she looks like any woman you'd see on the street and not think twice about[/QUOTE] I guess she looks kinda scary to me I barely slept today, sorry please dont hate me

[QUOTE=Crash155;44583120]I guess she looks kinda scary to me I barely sleep today, sorry[/QUOTE] If she looks scary, it's probably because she has an expression like she's about to stab someone. :v:

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44583126]If she looks scary, it's probably because she has an expression like she's about to stab someone. :v:[/QUOTE] She does look really fuckin' miffed :v:

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44580440]Censorship and restriction of freedom of speech at it's finest. Good job Facebook, you shmucks. We should not restrict language, no matter the 'consequences,' it's a basis for freedom and free-thought.[/QUOTE] so racism is allowed then? its a basis for freedom and free thought after all. (Racism is totally wrong imo)

[QUOTE=AJ10017;44583179]so racism is allowed then? its a basis for freedom and free thought after all. (Racism is totally wrong imo)[/QUOTE] People who say freedom of speech should also include hateful speech have probably never been on the receiving end of hate speech or similar harassment. Like, shit, if somebody says something hateful specifically to offend or demean, is it really so bad to tell them to stop or punish them for it? Especially if it's in public/they're influential.

[QUOTE=Paige;44583011]stress and anxiety from constant bigotry leads to depression which in most people leads to mood swings and "snapping" on people.[/QUOTE] pretty much summed up my thoughts

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;44583225]People who say freedom of speech should also include hateful speech have probably never been on the receiving end of hate speech or similar harassment. Like, shit, if somebody says something hateful specifically to offend or demean, is it really so bad to tell them to stop or punish them for it? Especially if it's in public/they're influential.[/QUOTE] No no that's infringing upon their rights to verbally abuse and degrade other humans, that's obviously something that should be legal because they're just words amirite? /s