Mother Sheilds Her Children From Gunfire, Get Shot in the Head, Lives - Polidicks

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41940771]I'm laughing my ass off at these Non-Americans. You don't know what has caused these people to form gangs, and trying to stop it with brute force would cause a fucking civil war. Everyone calling for military patrolling the streets is as bad as the guys who say "Hang the bastard!!" when they catch a murderer. Knee jerk reactions get you nowhere.[/QUOTE] Oh, cause the USA is the only country in the world to have problems with poverty and gang culture. Get a fucking grip. How [I]do[/I] you propose to curb this? What's your alternative? Sending in the army doesn't mean using it in organized raids to kill off gangmembers, but in a protective role in the community. Because when your police is failing, WHAT DO YOU DO?

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[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;41940666]Because that wouldn't have backlashes in every corner of the country or anything. You officially declare martial law [I]anywhere[/I] in the country and the populace is going to [I]flip its shit.[/I][/QUOTE] No, the population will flip its shit. The [I]populace[/I] is going to be grateful they don't get shot while going to the grocer's.

I'd be ok with a National Guard presence in high risk areas. I mean, it's not like it'd be like HL2's City 17; the soldiers wouldn't be there to keep the population in order; it would be to chase the gangbangers out of their territory.

[QUOTE=Stopper;41940567]Yeah, it's not [I]that[/I] bad - Detroit is [I]only[/I] the sixth most dangerous city in the USA with an estimated 1 in 46 chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime. Also about 1 in every 2000 people being murdered every year and about 14 in every 1000 become the victims of assault. It's [I]really not that bad[/I] when you compare it to the US median average - 0,1 in every 2000 people get killed and with 2,5 assaults per 1000. And it's not like Detroit also has a problem with lack of funding to deal with said crime rates. Detroit is only competing with New Orleans for the highest murder-rate in the country. So how about them apples?[/QUOTE] Evacuate Detroit.

So what happens when every wannabe rebel group pours into the cities using the declaration of martial law as an excuse to wage their cause? It would be a call to arms for anyone that's has a violent beef with the country under the guise that the government is doing some conspiracy fuel hostile takeover of the country. Suddenly an attempt to curb gang violence has become a gang vs gang, gang vs military, military vs outside insurgence, and insurgence vs gang war with the civilians stuck in the middle. You can't tell me some neo-nazi white supremacist group in the deep woods wouldn't love the opportunity to start shit. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] A military presence would have to be absolutely limited to the worst of places at the worst of times or every insane rambo-wannabe will converge on them like flies on dog shit.

[QUOTE=Stopper;41940806]Oh, cause the USA is the only country in the world to have problems with poverty and gang culture. Get a fucking grip. How [I]do[/I] you propose to curb this? What's your alternative? Sending in the army doesn't mean using it in organized raids to kill off gangmembers, but in a protective role in the community. Because when your police is failing, WHAT DO YOU DO?[/QUOTE] Do you know what white flight is? We can try to fix the fact that black people are going to prison on a 10:1 ratio to whites. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/U.S._incarceration_rate_by_race_2.gif/300px-U.S._incarceration_rate_by_race_2.gif[/IMG] Knee jerk reactions involving brute force aren't going to get you anywhere. You think people like Jesse Jackson would sit idly by as the military basically invaded every predominantly black neighborhood across America?

[QUOTE=Stopper;41940806]Oh, cause the USA is the only country in the world to have problems with poverty and gang culture. Get a fucking grip. How [I]do[/I] you propose to curb this? What's your alternative? Sending in the army doesn't mean using it in organized raids to kill off gangmembers, but in a protective role in the community. Because when your police is failing, WHAT DO YOU DO?[/QUOTE] The thing is that it's a hell of a lot easier to obtain firearms in America than in other developed countries that enforce military force patrolling the streets. You can never really predict what might happen from Cartels, gangsters, illegal immigrants, and aggressive protesters with guns in their hands. And I presume that the American government is the type to care a lot about their image, so brute force on any kind of rebellion would cause a controversial spark, especially if innocent civilians get caught in the middle of flying bullets.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41940607]that seems a bit much to me [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] but i guess that's easy for me to say when i don't live there [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] i still don't think bringing the army in is the solution. like, what exactly would they be doing? just patrolling all the dangerous neighbourhoods? or would it be like in iraq, having military checkpoints and shit. what happens when gang violence turns to gang insurgency? gang culture is still a culture and many gangsters are willing to die for it and certainly to kill for it[/QUOTE] a lot of gangsters are very normal people despite that overall the gang itself is bad i kind of feel bad for them because a lot of them are great people yet they are in with such a bad crowd

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;41941622]a lot of gangsters are very normal people despite that overall the gang itself is bad i kind of feel bad for them because a lot of them are great people yet they are in with such a bad crowd[/QUOTE] I grew up with kids who were joining gangs at the age of 10. You're right, most of them are normal kids, they go out and play sports and shit, but since the gangs are in their families they're coerced by an older brother or father.

Where's RoboCop when you need him?

[QUOTE=Stopper;41940685]Patrols, checkpoints, checkups - anything that needs to be done to curb the gang violence. And what happens is you have poorly armed and untrained gangsters shooting at trained soldiers armed with assault rifles.[/QUOTE] But do they deserve to be gunned down? I think the most healthy long term solution is better education for the population, sure that isn't going to help those too far gone but it almost ensures that the next generation doesn't add to their ranks. Many of these gang members have become the way they are because they've been abandoned by everyone else, all of the fail safes that were supposed to be protecting them are disappearing, one by one. Many hospitals in downtown Chicago are now refusing to treat gunshot victims, because they are losing too much money. How could you look at a world like that and see all the hope and opportunity you would?

[QUOTE=Vollybomb;41943328]But do they deserve to be gunned down? I think the most healthy long term solution is better education for the population, sure that isn't going to help those too far gone but it almost ensures that the next generation doesn't add to their ranks. Many of these gang members have become the way they are because they've been abandoned by everyone else, all of the fail safes that were supposed to be protecting them are disappearing, one by one. Many hospitals in downtown Chicago are now refusing to treat gunshot victims, because they are losing too much money. How could you look at a world like that and see all the hope and opportunity you would?[/QUOTE] Prevention doesn't mean shooting them down systematically. It means having protection to ensure innocents don't get hurt while whatever fixing mechanism works its way.

This woman is a total badass

What if the government makes a fake corporation and enlists some of the nation guard under the guise of a private military corp. This way when a shootout or something happens the corporation gets blamed. It's a fool proof plan!

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41940607] [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] i still don't think bringing the army in is the solution. like, what exactly would they be doing? just patrolling all the dangerous neighbourhoods? or would it be like in iraq, having military checkpoints and shit. what happens when gang violence turns to gang insurgency? gang culture is still a culture and many gangsters are willing to die for it and certainly to kill for it[/QUOTE] The way I'd set it up is that if the LEO is having trouble with gangbangers they just phone up the NatGuard instead of riot police or SWAT. Soldiers wouldn't be patrolling the streets or anything, but they'd also never be more than 10-15 minutes away if such force was necessary. Couple that with programs designed to help the gangbangers move out of that life entirely and to reduce the massive poverty that most of these individuals grow up in, and within 15-20 years we might actually see the problem more or less solved.

We don't need to military on the streets, we need to cure poverty and instate more mental health help. I know that's way easier said than done but that's what stops a lot of crime. If you aren't dirt poor and not fucked in the head, you're not gonna be a criminal.

[QUOTE=Stopper;41940685]And what happens is you have poorly armed and untrained gangsters shooting at trained soldiers armed with assault rifles.[/QUOTE] like stray bullets hitting people and various other things associated with having firefights in an urban area

[QUOTE=Juniez;41944830]like stray bullets hitting people and various other things associated with having firefights in an urban area[/QUOTE] So it's better when gangs have gangfights?