Texas will run out of lethal injection drugs in September due to growing supplier boycott
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Why are we still executing people in 2013?
[QUOTE=Maloof?;41693215]What is the alternative; the Government rocks up and forces the company to produce and hand over the drugs?
That's now how democracy (or whatever system of Government we are trying to have in the West) works[/QUOTE]
No, no, I meant they shouldn't allow this to stop them from carrying out the sentences (because that would effectively mean a company was dictating who the government can kill); there are plenty of other methods.
[QUOTE=Coffee;41693304]Why are we still executing people in 2013?[/QUOTE]
Because people still do crazy shit, like killing children, in 2013.
[QUOTE=Coffee;41693304]Why are we still executing people in 2013?[/QUOTE]
Because executing criminals scares other would-be criminals into thinking twice about their actions!! It's also better to get revenge than you attempt to rehabilitate said criminals too.
it's easy to tell who's a sociopath on FP just by looking at a thread about the death penalty.
[QUOTE=ccg;41693353]Because executing criminals scares other would-be criminals into thinking twice about their actions!! It's also better to get revenge than you attempt to rehabilitate said criminals too.[/QUOTE]
Some crimes you can't rehabilitate people with. 1st degree murder and rape is one of them unless the convict is insane, or forced to.
Deterrence isn't a reliable nor moral reason, I'll agree. Proper statistics haven't been done anyway since almost every case I've read compares states with the death penalty to those without, which isn't fair since it should be the same state with and without the penalty. Even then a staggering spike or drop will be needed to show reasonable correlation I think.
Revenge depends on the person. Offer them a quick and relatively humane death, or send them into a hellhole where they are sent to live in a box for the rest of their life with others who are equal or worse than they are. Prison can also be viewed as "freedom" because there's no higher punishment. What are you gonna do if I kill my roommate with a fork? Send me to prison?
I still believe that death is suitable as punishment. How its done and whether or not the government is the one who decides who lives and who dies is something I can't put a stance on.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;41693472]Some crimes you can't rehabilitate people with. 1st degree murder and rape is one of them unless the convict is insane, or forced to.
Deterrence isn't a reliable nor moral reason, I'll agree. Proper statistics haven't been done anyway since almost every case I've read compares states with the death penalty to those without, which isn't fair since it should be the same state with and without the penalty. Even then a staggering spike or drop will be needed to show reasonable correlation I think.
Revenge depends on the person. Offer them a quick and relatively humane death, or send them into a hellhole where they are sent to live in a box for the rest of their life with others who are equal or worse than they are. Prison can also be viewed as "freedom" because there's no higher punishment. What are you gonna do if I kill my roommate with a fork? Send me to prison?
I still believe that death is suitable as punishment. How its done and whether or not the government is the one who decides who lives and who dies is something I can't put a stance on.[/QUOTE]
It should be reserved for cases that have undeniable proof (A video of the person murdering them, non-plea bargain confession, etc...); since wrongly executing someone is totally fucked up.
Eh just get some bleach.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41693435]it's easy to tell who's a sociopath on FP just by looking at a thread about the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
Yes, sociopaths are well known for their strong hatred of people who victimize others and the way they let their empathy for victims decide how the law should treat criminals
[QUOTE=glitchvid;41693547]It should be reserved for cases that have undeniable proof (A video of the person murdering them, non-plea bargain confession, etc...); since wrongly executing someone is totally fucked up.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that wrongly executing someone is fucked up, wrongful accusation and conviction happens on every level of the justice system. Indisputable proof would be problematic, and it would also put lawyers out of a job
What does killing people achieve exactly?
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;41693850]While I agree that wrongly executing someone is fucked up, wrongful accusation and conviction happens on every level of the justice system. Indisputable proof would be problematic, and it would also put lawyers out of a job[/QUOTE]
so tell me exactly how you're going to compensate for an innocent man's death?
if you say by cash, do you believe people fall under monetary value, and as long we have enough funds, we can go ahead and kill innocent people with our government as long we pay a fee?
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oh and just in case you weren't sure, Alaska isn't really east of Florida.[/QUOTE]
I was wondering why it was so cold when I went to Alaska
If there's going to be a death penalty it should be a shoot out between the death row inmates. The winner gets life. That way prisoners could be given the chance to die in a blaze of glory and we get a new reality tv show.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;41693649]Yes, sociopaths are well known for their strong hatred of people who victimize others and the way they let their empathy for victims decide how the law should treat criminals[/QUOTE]
Sociopaths are characterized by their distinct lack of empathy, guess what this is?
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;41693988]Sociopaths are characterized by their distinct lack of empathy, guess what this is?[/QUOTE]
You tell me.
[QUOTE=Secrios;41693966]If there's going to be a death penalty it should be a shoot out between the death row inmates. The winner gets life. That way prisoners could be given the chance to die in a blaze of glory and we get a new reality tv show.[/QUOTE]
Sunday Night Rehabilitation!
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41693874]so tell me exactly how you're going to compensate for an innocent man's death?
if you say by cash, do you believe people fall under monetary value, and as long we have enough funds, we can go ahead and kill innocent people with our government as long we pay a fee?[/QUOTE]
Please calm down.
The value of a human life differs from person to person (not their individual values but how they view the value of people). Generally the majority of people get to pass what they want into law. The reason the death penalty still exists is because of this trend. A majority of people seemed to have agreed that execution is worth the occasional wrong conviction (in the states that allow it).
The innocent man convicted is the price paid for what people consider a proper punishment for the guilty. You compensate them by convicting the guilty. They sacrifice themselves for the system. Even if they are the minority who don't approve of the death penalty.
But this is now a governmental issue dealing with minority rights. The only option is to become the majority and ban the death penalty it seems. But this is still unfair, and I personally don't know of a reasonable solution.
[editline]2nd August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Secrios;41693966]If there's going to be a death penalty it should be a shoot out between the death row inmates. The winner gets life. That way prisoners could be given the chance to die in a blaze of glory and we get a new reality tv show.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/death_race/[/url] ?
[QUOTE=jordguitar;41692935]Here is a option: you can stop executions.[/QUOTE]
Because letting murder-rapists out on the street is such a great option! :downs:
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;41694212]Because letting murder-rapists out on the street is such a great option! :derp:[/QUOTE]
He never said anything about cutting them loose :)
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You guys don't understand. This isn't about what you think is right or not. The government doesn't own the life of it's citizens, it has no right to end them.
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;41694212]Because letting murder-rapists out on the street is such a great option! :derp:[/QUOTE]
I think he refers to putting them in prisons as opposed to killing them.
Why kill them if they are in prison? They aren't doing anymore harm once in prison.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41694224]I think he refers to putting them in prisons as opposed to killing them.
Why kill them if they are in prison? They aren't doing anymore harm once in prison.[/QUOTE]
They pose a threat to other prisoners and personnel who work in prison.
If you want to get on the financial side, overcrowding leads to either lesser criminals being released early for no reason and/or the construction of new facilities. It also costs taxes to keep prisons running.
Unfortunately the legal work leads to capital punishment being more expensive than the average life sentence in America. Not sure how to fix that, but you would think killing someone would be cheaper in the long run. Its not.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;41694308]They pose a threat to other prisoners and personnel who work in prison.[/quote]
Source?
[quote]If you want to get on the financial side, overcrowding leads to either lesser criminals being released early for no reason and/or the construction of new facilities. It also costs taxes to keep prisons running.[/quote]
Many prisoners in American prisons are in for several years because of petty offenses like threatening somebody with a knife or possessing a soft drug.
[quote]Unfortunately the legal work leads to capital punishment being more expensive than the average life sentence in America.[/QUOTE]
"Unfortunately" ?
[QUOTE=OvB;41693057]I once had a dream where I was wrongly accused and executed with a guillotine and it was honestly one of the most terrifyingly life-like nightmares ever.[/QUOTE]
Well do I have [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8zkbl6mKXE]bad news for you[/url]...
[QUOTE=OvB;41693244]Unless you have heart, lung, and neurological failure every night they don't exactly make you go to sleep.[/QUOTE]
The drugs put you to sleep before they kill you, so it's an apt expression.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41693869]What does killing people achieve exactly?[/QUOTE]
Ask that to the asshole who took someones life in the first place, I know an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but I don't see the purpose of keeping someone alive in prison if there sentence entails them never getting out, Agree with the clear evidence part, death penalty should only be for real fucked up people.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41693869]What does killing people achieve exactly?[/QUOTE]
It makes the bad people die.
Literally that's the only excuse you could possibly make for the death penalty in it's favour, on the other hand there's always a chance that the guy shouting "I'm innocent I swear to fucking God!" might actually be telling the truth.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41694325]"Unfortunately" ?[/QUOTE]
It is unfortunate that money plays a part in the government deciding who tries to sentence to death. The result (that the government has to be more picky when choosing to who try to sentence to death) is good, but it's for the wrong reasons.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;41694616]It is unfortunate that money plays a part in the government deciding who tries to sentence to death. The result (that the government has to be more picky when choosing to who try to sentence to death) is good, but it's for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE]
The result is still shit, innocent people die.
[QUOTE=SubbyV-2;41694563]Ask that to the asshole who took someones life in the first place, I know an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but I don't see the purpose of keeping someone alive in prison if there sentence entails them never getting out, Agree with the clear evidence part, death penalty should only be for real fucked up people.[/QUOTE]
Why do you want him dead?
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