• Texas will run out of lethal injection drugs in September due to growing supplier boycott
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[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41697529]This is bad i guess they can do hangings, they are cheaper. Capital Punishment is the only real way to keep crime rate low and stop criminals draining society of funds. Britian is a prime example of the crime system gone wrong, so many people in for life and is draining public funds and services.[/QUOTE] Just system gone wrong. Lower re-offence rate and murder rate than the US. Cool beans man.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;41693192]Regardless of what you think about the death penalty, no company should have the ability to force a government into changing their policies. Which is exactly what they are trying to do by refusing the supply the drugs.[/QUOTE] Most doctors get into it to help people. Some doctors might not like the idea that the drugs they spent a long time working on are being used to kill people, some that turn out to be found innocent after the execution. How would you feel if something you spent a good chunk of your life working on to help people was suddenly being used to kill people? It's not all politics. EDIT: According to Google Texas is using Pentobarbital which isn't some drug designed to kill people. [QUOTE=Wiki] Typical applications for pentobarbital are sedative, hypnotic for short term, preanesthetic and control of convulsions in emergencies.[4] It is also used as a veterinary anesthetic agent.[5] Pentobarbital also has an application in reducing intracranial pressure in Reye's syndrome, traumatic brain injury and induction of coma in cerebral ischemia patients.[6] Pentobarbital-induced coma has been advocated in patients with acute liver failure refractory to mannitol [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41697529]This is bad i guess they can do hangings, they are cheaper. Capital Punishment is the only real way to keep crime rate low and stop criminals draining society of funds. Britian is a prime example of the crime system gone wrong, so many people in for life and is draining public funds and services.[/QUOTE] it's more expensive to execute someone
The Death Sentence is disgusting for a number of reasons, but mostly because the Government is implying they own you; control whether you live or die. Life sentence is equally as fucked up, they're both lazy excuses for not introducing actual rehabilitation instead of just chucking people in to cells for life. [editline]3rd August 2013[/editline] The punishment system does not exist for revenge purposes, it's [I]supposed[/I] to be for rehabilitation; to make sure people don't recommit crimes. Works in other countries, so I'm sure it can work in the US. Before anyone jumps in and says 'oh but wow some people can't be rehabilitated', you know prison for life won't make that mental condition any better? If they can't be put back in to the public for whatever reason, they certainly should at least not be restricted to a prison cell for having a mental disorder. That's fucking terrible.
I am not entirely sure how i feel about the death penalty, but one thing that kinda bugs me is when someone gets a life sentence plus a ridiculous amount of years exceeding a lifetime. At that point, they are never going to get out on parole or be rehabilitated or anything, so why not use capital punishment? All you're doing is keeping someone alive for no reason and using taxpayer/government money to do it.
[QUOTE=BanMan123;41699798]I am not entirely sure how i feel about the death penalty, but one thing that kinda bugs me is when someone gets a life sentence plus a ridiculous amount of years exceeding a lifetime. At that point, they are never going to get out on parole or be rehabilitated or anything, so why not use capital punishment? All you're doing is keeping someone alive for no reason and using taxpayer/government money to do it.[/QUOTE] Because you don't just fucking kill someone because you fucking feel like it, there's always a chance that they're innocent and it costs more (and always will) to kill them than it does to keep them alive in prison.
I despise the death penalty. If someone is mentally unstable and that causes them to act in a violent fashion, treat them. If someone is forced to violence through desperation (poverty, drug addiction), help them. I don't see why rehabilitation is such a controversial idea in the US. Prisons are overloaded. Stop privatizing prisons, let out minor offenders like shit for drug use or weed, establish proper drug education programs and addiction help centers, legalize and tax drugs (makes it more difficult for kids to get it, too!). Once you clear out the prisons and dismantle the prison industrial complex, blow them up. Build secure prisons for high-priority people. Murderers, rapists, etc. Isolate them from the outside world. Then teach them. Get them interested in something. Fix them. Their punishment is total isolation from the outside. They go in, get fixed up, and are eventually released when it's deemed safe. None of this "you're sitting in a cell for life" stuff. Solitary confinement is also disgustingly inhumane and needs to be banned. To do this you need to fix the education system and health care systems, make college next to free, sink money into repairing ghettos, and actually put effort into helping people. But this is the USA, that won't happen.
IMO when this happens they should just switch the death penalty to be death by automated swords from behind while you're strapped in Cheaper than bullets and less electricity than the chair!
[QUOTE=bravehat;41696387]Excellent, problem solved, slap em in prison and that's that.[/QUOTE] what about prison violence?
Just lock them in a tiny cell with no windows and massive doors and feed them through tubes and hydrate them with IV's and strap them down and just keep them that way until they fucking die. They should also use thorazine while they are strapped down. Maybe long term drugging with thorazine will torture them and then just inject bleach into their arm and kill them while they are still suffering in their minds. I'm messed up
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41700894]what about prison violence?[/QUOTE] Don't have shitty over crowded prisons, improve the prison system by putting a premium on rehabilitation not punishment and treat prisoners like actual human beings and surprisingly they'll act less like asshats with no future and act more like reasonable human beings. [editline]3rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=xVENUSx;41701063]Just lock them in a tiny cell with no windows and massive doors and feed them through tubes and hydrate them with IV's and strap them down and just keep them that way until they fucking die. They should also use thorazine while they are strapped down. Maybe long term drugging with thorazine will torture them and then just inject bleach into their arm and kill them while they are still suffering in their minds. I'm messed up[/QUOTE] Nah you're just a fucking retard, not messed up.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41695774]So he doesn't kill my wife. Or your's, or my kids, or my grandkids. Unless you have a magic wand that fixes murder, removing the ability for them to continue to do it is the only thing. In some cases, this involves ending their ability to live.[/QUOTE] Killing him isn't going to bring your hypothetical wife back. It's just going to drop another body on the pile of people who died way before they were supposed to.
I'm pretty sure we'll eventually just stick prisoners in some kind of dirt cheap stasis and rehabilitate them in their minds while they're induced in a coma.
[QUOTE=Coffee;41693304]Why are we still executing people in 2013?[/QUOTE] Because some people are so badly fucked up there is no rehabilitating them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41702257]Because some people are so badly fucked up there is no rehabilitating them.[/QUOTE] A huge majority can be rehabilitated. Most of the mentally unstable folk that go on mass shootings could be rehabilitated with proper medication. There's still far too many people dying unnecessarily that could be rehabilitated.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41702257]Because some people are so badly fucked up they think killing more people solves crime.[/QUOTE]ftfy
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41697529]This is bad i guess they can do hangings, they are cheaper. Capital Punishment is the only real way to keep crime rate low and stop criminals draining society of funds. Britian is a prime example of the crime system gone wrong, so many people in for life and is draining public funds and services.[/QUOTE] States with the death penalty have higher crime rates. Not a deterrent. Keeping someone in prison for life costs less. Not a drain on funds. Any other arguments you want me to obliterate?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41702310][B]A huge majority can be rehabilitated. [/B]Most of the mentally unstable folk that go on mass shootings could be rehabilitated with proper medication. There's still far too many people dying unnecessarily that could be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] So you agree then? Last I checked "Huge majority" is not "all".[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41705900]ftfy[/QUOTE] No, that's just being a smartass.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41693028]"fuck that entire state cause it has a law I don't like" [IMG]http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/death-penalty-map-united-states.png?w=696[/IMG] thank you for your intelligent post oh and just in case you weren't sure, Alaska isn't really east of Florida.[/QUOTE] Uh sorry? I don't agree with the state and I live here. Its kinda shitty all over. Southern hospitality isn't what it used to be.
They need to be killed...
[QUOTE=TestECull;41706171]So you agree then? Last I checked "Huge majority" is not "all".[/QUOTE] In which case you just keep them out of society for as long as possible, when their times comes you give them another chance at life and release them. If they re-offend, back they go for longer and possibly harsher punishment. You can't just write people off as impossible to rehabilitate without giving them a chance. Killing them doesn't help anybody but the criminal. The victims are still victims, death isn't retribution.
[QUOTE=Nukefuzz;41706615]Uh sorry? I don't agree with the state and I live here. Its kinda shitty all over. Southern hospitality isn't what it used to be.[/QUOTE] The problem is, you're living in the south in general. The entire section of the U.S. that can be referred to as "South" is simply just stupid and may as well just become their own radical right wing country.
Well when you have this retard running the government in your state: [img]http://realclearconservatives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/rick_perry_yo1.jpg[/img] Of course there will be problems.
Shouldn't have to pay taxes for a murderer to rot in jail. Either kill him or properly rehabilitate him, not let him just live his life behind bars. If he has a mental disorder? Get him help he needs and get him on medicine so he can live normal again.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41714227]Shouldn't have to pay taxes for a murderer to rot in jail. Either kill him or properly rehabilitate him, not let him just live his life behind bars. If he has a mental disorder? Get him help he needs and get him on medicine so he can live normal again.[/QUOTE] well it costs more to kill someone than to keep them alive, so that only really leaves us with one option, doesn't it?
[QUOTE=xVENUSx;41701063]Just lock them in a tiny cell with no windows and massive doors and feed them through tubes and hydrate them with IV's and strap them down and just keep them that way until they fucking die. They should also use thorazine while they are strapped down. Maybe long term drugging with thorazine will torture them and then just inject bleach into their arm and kill them while they are still suffering in their minds. I'm messed up[/QUOTE] I said this when I was a bit annoyed, you couldn't do that obviously. Murderers who are not insane should however get a bad punishment, it isn't fair to just put them in a cell with food and inmates who they can talk to and TV's. I don't know how they can punish them.
[QUOTE=xVENUSx;41715534]I said this when I was a bit annoyed, you couldn't do that obviously. Murderers who are not insane should however get a bad punishment, it isn't fair to just put them in a cell with food and inmates who they can talk to and TV's. I don't know how they can punish them.[/QUOTE] Ooh, ooh, I know! How about we rehabilitate them so they can go back in to society! You know, like what the system is actually meant for!
[QUOTE=xVENUSx;41715534]I said this when I was a bit annoyed, you couldn't do that obviously. Murderers who are not insane should however get a bad punishment, [b]it isn't fair to just put them in a cell with food and inmates who they can talk to and TV's[/b]. I don't know how they can punish them.[/QUOTE] So people are put into a jail, lose their right to exist within society, cannot go where they want or do what they want and have to live their lives by a rigid schedule. But ohhh no they have access to tv and food this is terrible gosh life in prison must be great.
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