Holy fucking shit: 600 Indian students caught cheating, and barely a fuck given, as parents climb wa
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No wonder they all become our customer support.
[QUOTE=da space core;47374416]Not to this extreme, although other places, like china and I believe south korea are also rigerous[/QUOTE]
South Korea probably has the most brutal education system in the world
South Korea is run by a few monopolies called chaebol. Samsung is the largest. Basically, to get hired at a chaebol company, you need to graduate from SKY (Seoul National University, Korea University, or Yonsei University). To get into those, you need top SAT Scores, nothing else. They don't care about community service, essays, or extra-curriculars. It all rides on SAT Scores.
Every year, south korea shuts down for the SATs. Testing areas are no-fly zones for airplanes so as not to disturb the listening portions of the test. Businesses are shut down so the roads are clear for students to go to their testing locations. The SAT lasts all day long, and is a test of all the shit that you memorized over the course of highschool.
To study for these tests, South Korean students go to school, and after school study at hagwons (private study centers) for several hours until very late. Seoul, a few years ago, set a curfew for children. They had to be home by (I think 10pm), and they had deputized adults to go around and find hagwons that were keeping kids up past 10pm because these kids weren't getting any sleep at all. When they showed up, they would pretend that the kids were college students or that the building was a library and not a hagwon.
When they get their scores, those who obviously aren't getting into SKY often kill themselves. South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world; I think it goes back and forth between them and lithuania, but I think greenland is top of the list right now.
It's all because without getting hired by chaebol, you're doomed to never making enough money. You either accept that you'll never amount to much else in life than lower/lower-middle class, or you emigrate to the United States where things are easier for a lower class person to get into a top school and the job market is way more diverse.
You made me realise that here in France, we are very lucky. Despite the usual critiscism, the college here ( we call it FAC ) is basically free ( like 180€/year ) and as long as you work you can go straight up to the bachelor ( 3 years following grade 12 ) , master ( 5 years ) or even PhD ( 8+ years ) . Anyone that chose the correct speciality ( scientific, economic, literary ) in grades 11/12 can enter a corresponding college.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47369681]this is what life is like where the stakes are highest and life to some extent rests on these things, if anything it's the broader context that's ridiculous[/QUOTE]
Yeah, when you pile enough importance on one exam, it starts getting harder to justify NOT cheating.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47374595]South Korea probably has the most brutal education system in the world
South Korea is run by a few monopolies called chaebol. Samsung is the largest. Basically, to get hired at a chaebol company, you need to graduate from SKY (Seoul National University, Korea University, or Yonsei University). To get into those, you need top SAT Scores, nothing else. They don't care about community service, essays, or extra-curriculars. It all rides on SAT Scores.
Every year, south korea shuts down for the SATs. Testing areas are no-fly zones for airplanes so as not to disturb the listening portions of the test. Businesses are shut down so the roads are clear for students to go to their testing locations. The SAT lasts all day long, and is a test of all the shit that you memorized over the course of highschool.
To study for these tests, South Korean students go to school, and after school study at hagwons (private study centers) for several hours until very late. Seoul, a few years ago, set a curfew for children. They had to be home by (I think 10pm), and they had deputized adults to go around and find hagwons that were keeping kids up past 10pm because these kids weren't getting any sleep at all. When they showed up, they would pretend that the kids were college students or that the building was a library and not a hagwon.
When they get their scores, those who obviously aren't getting into SKY often kill themselves. South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world; I think it goes back and forth between them and lithuania, but I think greenland is top of the list right now.
It's all because without getting hired by chaebol, you're doomed to never making enough money. You either accept that you'll never amount to much else in life than lower/lower-middle class, or you emigrate to the United States where things are easier for a lower class person to get into a top school and the job market is way more diverse.[/QUOTE]
wow
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47374595]South Korea probably has the most brutal education system in the world
South Korea is run by a few monopolies called chaebol. Samsung is the largest. Basically, to get hired at a chaebol company, you need to graduate from SKY (Seoul National University, Korea University, or Yonsei University). To get into those, you need top SAT Scores, nothing else. They don't care about community service, essays, or extra-curriculars. It all rides on SAT Scores.
Every year, south korea shuts down for the SATs. Testing areas are no-fly zones for airplanes so as not to disturb the listening portions of the test. Businesses are shut down so the roads are clear for students to go to their testing locations. The SAT lasts all day long, and is a test of all the shit that you memorized over the course of highschool.
To study for these tests, South Korean students go to school, and after school study at hagwons (private study centers) for several hours until very late. Seoul, a few years ago, set a curfew for children. They had to be home by (I think 10pm), and they had deputized adults to go around and find hagwons that were keeping kids up past 10pm because these kids weren't getting any sleep at all. When they showed up, they would pretend that the kids were college students or that the building was a library and not a hagwon.
When they get their scores, those who obviously aren't getting into SKY often kill themselves. South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world; I think it goes back and forth between them and lithuania, but I think greenland is top of the list right now.
It's all because without getting hired by chaebol, you're doomed to never making enough money. You either accept that you'll never amount to much else in life than lower/lower-middle class, or you emigrate to the United States where things are easier for a lower class person to get into a top school and the job market is way more diverse.[/QUOTE]
this is fucking appalling and makes me much more thankful for americas shitty education system
Imagine if they got away with this, they would be the luckiest people alive
[QUOTE=Zakuvo99;47378406]Imagine th y got away with this, they would be the luckiest people alive[/QUOTE]
for every student who gets caught cheating in these examinations, there's usually around 5 or 10 more who get away with it because they see no other means to remain competitive. just saying.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47374595]South Korea probably has the most brutal education system in the world
South Korea is run by a few monopolies called chaebol. Samsung is the largest. Basically, to get hired at a chaebol company, you need to graduate from SKY (Seoul National University, Korea University, or Yonsei University). To get into those, you need top SAT Scores, nothing else. They don't care about community service, essays, or extra-curriculars. It all rides on SAT Scores.
Every year, south korea shuts down for the SATs. Testing areas are no-fly zones for airplanes so as not to disturb the listening portions of the test. Businesses are shut down so the roads are clear for students to go to their testing locations. The SAT lasts all day long, and is a test of all the shit that you memorized over the course of highschool.
To study for these tests, South Korean students go to school, and after school study at hagwons (private study centers) for several hours until very late. Seoul, a few years ago, set a curfew for children. They had to be home by (I think 10pm), and they had deputized adults to go around and find hagwons that were keeping kids up past 10pm because these kids weren't getting any sleep at all. When they showed up, they would pretend that the kids were college students or that the building was a library and not a hagwon.
When they get their scores, those who obviously aren't getting into SKY often kill themselves. South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world; I think it goes back and forth between them and lithuania, but I think greenland is top of the list right now.
It's all because without getting hired by chaebol, you're doomed to never making enough money. You either accept that you'll never amount to much else in life than lower/lower-middle class, or you emigrate to the United States where things are easier for a lower class person to get into a top school and the job market is way more diverse.[/QUOTE]holy fuck that sounds absolutely dystopian, like out of some exaggerated satire
[QUOTE=426_Hemi;47374779]You made me realise that here in France, we are very lucky. Despite the usual critiscism, the college here ( we call it FAC ) is basically free ( like 180€/year ) and as long as you work you can go straight up to the bachelor ( 3 years following grade 12 ) , master ( 5 years ) or even PhD ( 8+ years ) . Anyone that chose the correct speciality ( scientific, economic, literary ) in grades 11/12 can enter a corresponding college.[/QUOTE]
Even then the FAC system isn't perfect either. Its biggest issue is the lack of contacts with the corporate world: While students build themselves some quite solid academic bases, they are rarely familiarized with the differences between studying and working a job. As a result, companies prefer to hire from Grandes Ecoles or similar competitive-exam-based institutions, which are much harder to get in.
Nevertheless, the cost of higher education is negligible when compared to those of almost every other country, which is great. I don't know how I would have paid for tuition otherwise, since I don't come from a particularly wealthy family.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47374595]South Korea probably has the most brutal education system in the world
South Korea is run by a few monopolies called chaebol. Samsung is the largest. Basically, to get hired at a chaebol company, you need to graduate from SKY (Seoul National University, Korea University, or Yonsei University). To get into those, you need top SAT Scores, nothing else. They don't care about community service, essays, or extra-curriculars. It all rides on SAT Scores.
Every year, south korea shuts down for the SATs. Testing areas are no-fly zones for airplanes so as not to disturb the listening portions of the test. Businesses are shut down so the roads are clear for students to go to their testing locations. The SAT lasts all day long, and is a test of all the shit that you memorized over the course of highschool.
To study for these tests, South Korean students go to school, and after school study at hagwons (private study centers) for several hours until very late. Seoul, a few years ago, set a curfew for children. They had to be home by (I think 10pm), and they had deputized adults to go around and find hagwons that were keeping kids up past 10pm because these kids weren't getting any sleep at all. When they showed up, they would pretend that the kids were college students or that the building was a library and not a hagwon.
When they get their scores, those who obviously aren't getting into SKY often kill themselves. South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world; I think it goes back and forth between them and lithuania, but I think greenland is top of the list right now.
It's all because without getting hired by chaebol, you're doomed to never making enough money. You either accept that you'll never amount to much else in life than lower/lower-middle class, or you emigrate to the United States where things are easier for a lower class person to get into a top school and the job market is way more diverse.[/QUOTE]
This reads like something straight out of grimdark. The fact that this is reality disturbs me like nothing else.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47374595]South Korea probably has the most brutal education system in the world
South Korea is run by a few monopolies called chaebol. Samsung is the largest. Basically, to get hired at a chaebol company, you need to graduate from SKY (Seoul National University, Korea University, or Yonsei University). To get into those, you need top SAT Scores, nothing else. They don't care about community service, essays, or extra-curriculars. It all rides on SAT Scores.
Every year, south korea shuts down for the SATs. Testing areas are no-fly zones for airplanes so as not to disturb the listening portions of the test. Businesses are shut down so the roads are clear for students to go to their testing locations. The SAT lasts all day long, and is a test of all the shit that you memorized over the course of highschool.
To study for these tests, South Korean students go to school, and after school study at hagwons (private study centers) for several hours until very late. Seoul, a few years ago, set a curfew for children. They had to be home by (I think 10pm), and they had deputized adults to go around and find hagwons that were keeping kids up past 10pm because these kids weren't getting any sleep at all. When they showed up, they would pretend that the kids were college students or that the building was a library and not a hagwon.
When they get their scores, those who obviously aren't getting into SKY often kill themselves. South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world; I think it goes back and forth between them and lithuania, but I think greenland is top of the list right now.
It's all because without getting hired by chaebol, you're doomed to never making enough money. You either accept that you'll never amount to much else in life than lower/lower-middle class, or you emigrate to the United States where things are easier for a lower class person to get into a top school and the job market is way more diverse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47372619]Even worse is the news when the board exam results get published every year; for the next couple of weeks immediately afterwards it's always a given to hear about students killing themselves for failing, or not having done well enough. It's horrible and always leads only to regrets, save for those few callous individuals who praise their children for killing themselves as a sacrifice to their principles.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck can we call ourselves civilized?
Here in the US (atleast where I am). they teach that in countries like India, South Korea, several African states, etc, children are much more "appreciative/grateful" for an education, by showing pictures of broken down classrooms and kids very readily at attention, when the real reason being that if they fail, they're... worthless? We try to pass these atrocities off as motivation for kids who don't do well (enough) in school... Goddamn... What kind of horrendously ironic cycle is this?
It's a very dangerous mindset to put all the worth of a person on their ability to be educated. Indoctrination, suicide rates, lack of real life skills... How can any rational individual look at an education system that is literally causing kids to commit suicide out of self-depreciation and think that it's a suitable means to educate the future generation?
good thing the education system isnt retarded as fuck in my country
[QUOTE=Eeshton;47384410]How the fuck can we call ourselves civilized?
Here in the US (atleast where I am). they teach that in countries like India, South Korea, several African states, etc, children are much more "appreciative/grateful" for an education, by showing pictures of broken down classrooms and kids very readily at attention, when the real reason being that if they fail, they're... worthless? We try to pass these atrocities off as motivation for kids who don't do well (enough) in school... Goddamn... What kind of horrendously ironic cycle is this?
It's a very dangerous mindset to put all the worth of a person on their ability to be educated. Indoctrination, suicide rates, lack of real life skills... How can any rational individual look at an education system that is literally causing kids to commit suicide out of self-depreciation and think that it's a suitable means to educate the future generation?[/QUOTE]
It's a big problem, especially if they tend to inculcate the mindset at an early age that if you're not an engineer/lawyer or doctor, you're basically no one. And on the very other side, there is a statement that most Indian parents will parrot [I]ad nauseam[/I], which is "Mata, Pitha, Guru, Devam" (Mother, Father, Teacher, God), to emphasize in order of reverence one must show. There's a whole generation of kids out there who are basically being taught not to become teachers, or that becoming a teacher means one has failed to make it in any of the other "real" professions. And there are thousands of jobs like this, "unworthy" for most parents.
What's said in the case of poor children (especially the ones you see in those pictures), the unfortunate truth is that a lot of them just drop out 5th and 6th grade when their parents can no longer afford to send them to school and keep the home fires burning. If they're girls, especially in rural areas, they'll be pulled out maybe around 8th grade to be "trained" by their mothers on how to manage the house before getting married off to some fellow who has no need for an educated wife and she will stay where she is.They will lead a slightly better life and their children will continue to be a part of the same vicious cycle until they choose to break it, which does happen.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;47386390]good thing the education system isnt retarded as fuck in my country[/QUOTE]
Same here. You could fail highschool and get into uni a few months later by doing a relevant traineeship.
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