[QUOTE=SataniX;44511315]Well, basically.
If they're unarmed and don't attack you.
You're generally not in a huge amount of danger.
If they're armed and/or attack you, well, shoot them all you want.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck? if they break into your house and are unarmed then their probably harmless? and how the fuck are they supposed to know hes unarmed in the first place?
[QUOTE=tommyc225;44511330]"Shoot first, ask questions later."
Nice.[/QUOTE]
See warning shots, Dont try and twist things here, they did give him a warning
[QUOTE=Unit-05;44511337]What the fuck? if they break into your house and are unarmed then their probably harmless? and how the fuck are they supposed to know hes unarmed in the first place?
See warning shots, Dont try and twist thigns here, they did give him a warning[/QUOTE]
I guess they'd just wait and see.
[QUOTE=zerosix;44511202]No. But if you did I wouldn't be sat in my front room ready to kill you. I live in England, a slightly more civilized country where we don't shoot people for looking at us funny.[/QUOTE]
Except they had no intention of killing him and gave him a warning shot so he'd go the fuck away, and assumed that by continually entering their home, he was after them and not some petty thief looking for a quick buck. Even if he was a petty thief, he was obviously an idiot for continually advancing.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44511316]Sorry I'm not used to having someone worth arguing with.
I guess the point of the matter being that the family had no idea what this guy was going to do, while it does seem a bit odd that they [i]shot first[/i] when the guy may have been breaking in, I fully support the follow-up with doming him when he continued to do so.
They had no idea what this guy was planning on doing.[/QUOTE]
If a guy was to come into my house, and I had a gun, I would keep the gun pointed at the guy and I would be telling him to get out. I wouldn't shoot him, even if he started taking shit. My posessions aren't worth killing over.
But the moment I felt threatened is the moment I'd pull the trigger.
[QUOTE=Unit-05;44511337]What the fuck? if they break into your house and are unarmed then their probably harmless?
[/QUOTE]
You missed the key second part of that sentence. If they don't have a weapon, [b]and they don't attack you[/b] then killing them is clearly a huge overreaction.
If you genuinely believed they would harm you, which would obviously have to be your judgement at that time, then that's different.
[QUOTE=tommyc225;44511380]If a guy was to come into my house, and I had a gun, I would keep the gun pointed at the guy and I would be telling him to get out. I wouldn't shoot him, even if he started taking shit. My posessions aren't worth killing over.
But the moment I felt threatened is the moment I'd pull the trigger.[/QUOTE]
See people? This is a far better argument than "I'm a britshit so I'm betr than u. unsilverized broot!"
Most people just seeing a gun pointed at them is more than enough of a reason to run like hell and try a different house.
The sad thing about this is that it's entirely likely not one member of that family will be prosecuted, even for the warning shot. Meanwhile, a [URL="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/blogs/gone-viral/os-60-years-warning-shot-florida-20140303,0,6377431.post"]black woman in florida might go to jail for 60 years after firing a warning shot in an attempt to make her abusive husband back off[/URL].
[QUOTE=tommyc225;44511380]If a guy was to come into my house, and I had a gun, I would keep the gun pointed at the guy and I would be telling him to get out. I wouldn't shoot him, even if he started taking shit. My posessions aren't worth killing over.
But the moment I felt threatened is the moment I'd pull the trigger.[/QUOTE]
Alright you obviously have never been in a situation like this so I don't really blame you for having this mind set, but the moment someone busts in your house in the middle of the night you are going to feel threatened, right off the bat. And lets not forget shit doesn't always go to plan, you cannot rely on the person (especially in hindsight that hes a junkie so he wont be in the right fucking mind) to do as you predict, and lets not forget that in the united states the police are not required to ensure your safety (see link: [URL]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts[/URL] you will also find more if you Google it) because of the 2nd amendment
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44511416]See people? This is a far better argument than "I'm a britshit so I'm betr than u. unsilverized broot!"
Most people just seeing a gun pointed at them is more than enough of a reason to run like hell and try a different house.[/QUOTE]
Considering almost all of your posts in here are awful attempts at snark and being "witty", it's no surprise nobody actually takes you seriously when trying to prove their point.
Also what kind of chucklefuck fires a warning shot? In any other thread he'd be getting called out to all fuck because that shit is dangerous, even inside your house. Bullets penetrate shit, come on. Shouting out to the intruder that you're armed is a much better way to warn them, shooting near them is not.
As for the "well...well...HOW DO YOU KNOW!!!??" stuff, there's probably statistics somewhere around for it, but it seems like a pretty fucking safe assumption, someone who is breaking into your shit for your shit is looking for money, killing people takes a trespassing/ burglary charge all the way up to murder, that's not worth it. Assuming that all home intruders are also tripping the fuck out is naive too, yeah some might be, but a good number of intrusions are probably done whilst the perpetrator is fully aware so they can actually respond to shit going down.
[QUOTE=Unit-05;44511443]Alright you obviously have never been in a situation like this so I don't really blame you for having this mind set, but the moment someone busts in your house in the middle of the night you are going to feel threatened, right off the bat. And lets not forget shit doesn't always go to plan, you cannot rely on the person (especially in hindsight that hes a junkie so he wont be in the right fucking mind) to do as you predict, and lets not forget that in the united states the police are not required to ensure your safety (see link: [URL]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts[/URL] you will also find more if you Google it) because of the 2nd amendment[/QUOTE]
Of course, and intruder busrsting through the window is going to make anyone feel threatened. But what I'm saying is that I'd make damn sure the guy was inending to hurt me before I started shooting. I know it's situational, but in an ideal scenario (if a house invasion is ever ideal) I would try to give the guy a chance to leave with his life.
i'm really damn curious because for some reason this confuses the shit out of me.
if a warning shot doesn't deter the intruder away from your home, what in the living FUCK makes you think he's going [I]go away when you shout that you're armed[/I]. since after. y'know. a warning shot was fired.
[QUOTE=Laferio;44511535]i'm really damn curious because for some reason this confuses the shit out of me.
if a warning shot doesn't deter the intruder away from your home, what in the living FUCK makes you think he's going [I]go away when you shout that you're armed[/I]. since after. y'know. a warning shot was fired.[/QUOTE]
He said that ideally you should shout that [b]instead[/b] of firing a warning shot.
please explain to me how that would've helped at all. in this situation.
[QUOTE=Laferio;44511559]please explain to me how that would've helped at all.[/QUOTE]
Are you really that dumb?
In this particular case, it wouldn't, he was just saying that's the ideal initial reaction in a case like this.
[editline]lol[/editline]
I can't tell if most people in this thread can't read, or are just so entrenched in their views that they deliberately misinterpret stuff.
[QUOTE=tommyc225;44511516]Of course, and intruder busrsting through the window is going to make anyone feel threatened. But what I'm saying is that I'd make damn sure the guy was inending to hurt me before I started shooting. I know it's situational, but in an ideal scenario (if a house invasion is ever ideal) I would try to give the guy a chance to leave with his life.[/QUOTE]
So would I, I'm pretty sure anyone would in this thread, nobody wants to blow people away over simple shit like that. But people get scared and you cant blame them for being so, but shit doesn't always go to plan and situations like that are not easily predictable or solvable without something bad happening. It is easy to condemn what happens in the aftermath without actually being there. People like that do need help yes, but the man thought first of his family, not the person in question busting in his house, and I don't blame him for doing so.
Its a shitty situation, but it happens.
[QUOTE=Laferio;44511559]please explain to me how that would've helped at all.[/QUOTE]
idk. Not risking the health and safety of anyone passing your house? People in the house? People in the house next door? Bullets penetrate shit, and if they don't penetrate or lodge themselves in something, ricochet. Plus warning shots are pretty fucking illegal in most of the US no?
Shouting "I'm armed you dumb cunt" or something is going to inform them you have a weapon and might make them rethink their intrusion, shooting at them but not hitting informs them you have a weapon, but that you're also either a fucking madman, or don't have the actual gall to shoot at them directly.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44511324]Get off your high horse. Seriously, you're being a twat for no other reason than the fact that you live in britbong land.[/QUOTE]
As a britbong, I can say: He is a twat.
Someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff? Yeah, I won't batter that person. but if someone breaks into someones house and ignores a warning shot and promptly gets blown off their ass? Deserved it. Thieves aren't just innocent Aladdin bread thieves trying to make money for their starving children, and thieves take on the burden and risk of, you know, invading someone's fucking property in what can only be construed as a malicious maneuver. When you break into someone's house, you take on the risk of retribution simple as.
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[QUOTE=zerosix;44511174]Petty burglars don't take people hostage.[/QUOTE]
Petty burglars also dont ignore warning shots and proceed about their business
clearly something was wrong with this guy
[QUOTE=GunFox;44509944]Warning shots are still technically illegal in the state of Florida.
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/04/florida-lawmakers-approve-warning-shot-bill-revising-self-defense-laws/[/url]
You are still only permitted to discharge a firearm in immediate defense and only at the assailant.
They are working to change that, apparently.
I'm betting that here, since they ultimately did shoot him in a justified shoot, that it will be ignored, but sadly, if he'd listened to the warning shot and fled, the dad could be in jail.[/QUOTE]
How do you even ban warning shots when you can pretend you missed when trying to defend yourself or something like that
[QUOTE=zerosix;44510608]Haha woo a guy got killed! #murrica[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44510726]Somebody died! Winner![/QUOTE]
i swear to god why is it that people always have to act high and mighty when it comes to shit like this? you're not some "good person" when you act like a dickhead in that way.
some worthless junkie forced himself into a home and paid the price when he ignored a warning. acting like we're all horrible people because we don't feel sympathetic just makes you look like a huge douche, i hope you know that.
[QUOTE=Unit-05;44511584]So would I, I'm pretty sure anyone would in this thread, nobody wants to blow people away over simple shit like that. But people get scared and you cant blame them for being so, but shit doesn't always go to plan and situations like that are not easily predictable or solvable without something bad happening. It is easy to condemn what happens in the aftermath without actually being there. People like that do need help yes, but the man thought first of his family, not the person in question busting in his house, and I don't blame him for doing so.
Its a shitty situation, but it happens.[/QUOTE]
Can't say I disagree. Sometimes shit happens.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;44511637]Petty burglars also dont ignore warning shots and proceed about their business
clearly something was wrong with this guy[/QUOTE]
He's burglarising the shit out of people. Of course something was wrong, the big question is what? Pure desperation? Shits and giggles? Mental disorder? Drug habit? Whatever one it is, there really do need to be some safety nets in place to actually lower the occurrence of this shit. Shooting people isn't going to be a very sustainable solution to say the least.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44511669]He's burglarising the shit out of people. Of course something was wrong, the big question is what? Pure desperation? Shits and giggles? Mental disorder? Drug habit? [B]Whatever one it is, there really do need to be some safety nets in place to actually lower the occurrence of this shit. Shooting people isn't going to be a very sustainable solution to say the least.[/B][/QUOTE]
dont get me wrong I completely agree with this but there are people in the thread arguing that shooting him wasnt justified
not to advocate taking warning shots (it's dumb as fuck) but given that the dude [I]ignored[/I] being shot at and continued towards two armed people I'd say it was reasonable of them to drop the guy
Yeah you know what, I place my family's health before trying to find the tipping scale of morality.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;44511693]but there are people in the thread arguing that shooting him wasnt justified
guy[/QUOTE]
You say that, but who exactly was? Reading through the thread, no-one's said that at all.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;44511693]dont get me wrong I completely agree with this but there are people in the thread arguing that shooting him wasnt justified
not to advocate taking warning shots (it's dumb as fuck) but given that the dude [I]ignored[/I] being shot at and continued towards two armed people I'd say it was reasonable of them to drop the guy[/QUOTE]
If he ignores warnings of any kind, it's probably safer to assume he's some kind of threat. Maybe not the "stab you up and eat your liver" kind of threat people seem to be making home intruders out to be. But someone who might at least take a swing at you if they get a chance hoping their theft will pay off still. Though the article sure as hell makes it sound like the family were overly prepared for these situations, if everyone was armed and had gathered by the time it took the father to take a warning shot, kind weird family if you ask me.
[QUOTE=GunFox;44509944]Warning shots are still technically illegal in the state of Florida.
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/04/florida-lawmakers-approve-warning-shot-bill-revising-self-defense-laws/[/url]
You are still only permitted to discharge a firearm in immediate defense and only at the assailant.
They are working to change that, apparently.
[B]I'm betting that here, since they ultimately did shoot him in a justified shoot, that it will be ignored, but sadly, if he'd listened to the warning shot and fled, the dad could be in jail.[/B][/QUOTE]
And this is why [del]America[/del] States like florida [del]is[/del] are backwards
not that I disagree with the former, I think that's OK, but, fuck sake, seriously? :v:
[QUOTE=SataniX;44511727]You say that, but who exactly was? Reading through the thread, no-one's said that at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=zerosix;44511154] If these people weren't sat waiting to kill the guy he would've eventually been caught, their possessions would've been given back/new ones bought on their home insurance and the guy would've had a chance to be punished and rehabilitated. For some reason in America it's perfectly fine to kill someone for intruding your home and it absolutely baffles me. The amount of people in this thread that are completely fine with it too genuinely makes me feel sick.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=J!NX;44511734]And this is why America is backwards
not that I disagree with the former, I think that's OK, but, fuck sake, seriously? :v:[/QUOTE]
No, that is why states like Florida are backwards.
I wonder what would have happened if someone had loaded a nonlethal option as the first shot before the rest is lethal in the gun. Would he still be alive? Who knows; he did ignore a shot directed directly at him. No one can say for sure, so the outcome may have came out to be the same.
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