Man breaks into home, finds entire family armed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;44511756]quote[/QUOTE] My bad, one person. Even then, without knowing whether the intruder was armed, it's hard to comment on this case.

[QUOTE=zerosix;44511154]You should not, under any circumstance, be fucking murdered for stealing something. If these people weren't sat waiting to kill the guy he would've eventually been caught, their possessions would've been given back/new ones bought on their home insurance and the guy would've had a chance to be punished and rehabilitated. For some reason in America it's perfectly fine to kill someone for intruding your home and it absolutely baffles me. The amount of people in this thread that are completely fine with it too genuinely makes me feel sick.[/QUOTE] Generally it is readily apparent that a house is occupied, so in the United States it is assumed that a reasonable person would fear for their well being during a home invasion. Given that the intruder doesn't have a legal right to be where they are, likely knew the dwelling was occupied, and still ultimately decided to breach the structure, they can indeed be reasonably assumed to be extremely dangerous. This is the justification used. Once somebody else breaches the law in a fashion that places you in a situation that a reasonable person would assume to be dangerous (This can be determined through juries or simply the prosecutor if they choose not to press charges) we consider it acceptable to defend yourself with deadly force. We are culturally different in that regard, sorry.

[QUOTE=GunFox;44511849]Given that the intruder doesn't have a legal right to be where they are, likely knew the dwelling was occupied, and still ultimately decided to breach the structure, they can indeed be reasonably assumed to be extremely dangerous. [/QUOTE] That's an utterly huge leap of logic you have right there. The amount of situations where someone wants/needs to steal stuff hugely outweight the situations where someone wants to murder (or otherwise harm) someone.

[QUOTE=SataniX;44511882]That's an utterly huge leap of logic you have right there.[/QUOTE] In what capacity? Bearing in mind that this is logic used by the justice system.

[QUOTE=GunFox;44511921]In what capacity? Bearing in mind that this is logic used by the justice system.[/QUOTE] I edited this into my post before you posted: [quote] The amount of situations where someone wants/needs to steal stuff hugely outweight the situations where someone wants to murder (or otherwise harm) someone.[/quote]

Something about this story screams "He tried to get away, but no... no he broke into the wrong house and now he's gonna PAY" I just get the feeling that he tried to leave after the first warning shot, but the family seems like they literally center their lives around protecting their home from intruders, no way there gonna let one get away un-murderfied. Even criminals aren't dumb enough to continue walking into a house unarmed where someone just took a shot at you. If the husband fired a warning shot at the door as soon as he came in, how did he even end up in the kitchen for the son and wife to finish him off? Did the husband just let him walk past?

[QUOTE=SataniX;44511882] The amount of situations where someone wants/needs to steal stuff hugely outweight the situations where someone wants to murder (or otherwise harm) someone.[/QUOTE] Absolutely, but the idea here is that home invaders are dangerous. Home invasion requires that people be there. People who steal stuff and people who are willing to steal stuff while the dwelling is occupied, are two different groups of people. The latter is considered to likely be dangerous.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44511944]Something about this story screams "He tried to get away, but no... no he broke into the wrong house and now he's gonna PAY" I just get the feeling that he tried to leave after the first warning shot, but the family seems like they literally center their lives around protecting their home from intruders, no way there gonna let one get away un-murderfied.[/QUOTE] I feel like that's you trying to push an agenda through guesswork. Like...I'm against shooting intruders if possible, but you just pulled that all out your ass.

[QUOTE=SataniX;44511961]I feel like that's you trying to push an agenda through guesswork. Like...I'm against shooting intruders if possible, but you just pulled that all out your ass.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and I gave ample words in my sentences to make sure you know that. You didn't "feel" like I made it up, I told you I did. I said that's what I think happened, and it's as good of a guess as any because no one from here was there. [quote] [B]Something about this story screams[/B] "He tried to get away, but no... no he broke into the wrong house and now he's gonna PAY" [B]I just get the feeling [/B]that he tried to leave after the first warning shot, but the family [B]seems like[/B] they literally center their lives around protecting their home from intruders, no way there gonna let one get away un-murderfied. Even criminals aren't dumb enough to continue walking into a house unarmed where someone just took a shot at you. If the husband fired a warning shot at the door as soon as he came in, how did he even end up in the kitchen for the son and wife to finish him off? Did the husband just let him walk past?[/quote] The bolded parts are why you feel like that, it's kind of how English works. and also, I'm pro-gun and pro-concealed carry and pro-stand your ground which is evident in my post history, IDK what agenda you think i'm pushing here, but you are wrong. Just because everything you say is some shitty double entendre doesn't mean everyone talks like that.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44511261]I, for one, enjoy being a uncivilized brute. [t]http://puu.sh/83JGQ.png[/t] Does this just [i]steam your beans?[/i][/QUOTE]i'm far from an expert when it comes to US laws on gun storage etc so i apologize in advance if this sounds ignorant, but shouldn't those be in a secure cabinet under lock and key?

[QUOTE=Joazzz;44512037]i'm far from an expert when it comes to US laws on gun storage etc so i apologize in advance if this sounds ignorant, but shouldn't those be in a secure cabinet under lock and key?[/QUOTE] So they can't jump up and bite you? I have that problem all the time. Little fuckers, gotta chain them up inside the safe too, or else they ambush you when you open the door.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44511982]Yeah, and I gave ample words in my sentences to make sure you know that. You didn't "feel" like I made it up, I told you I did. I said that's what I think happened, and it's as good of a guess as any because no one from here was there. The bolded parts are why you feel like that, it's kind of how English works.[/QUOTE] Except there's nothing about this story that suggests that over the much simpler explanation of mental illness. Sure, it's [b]possible[/b] it's just really fucking unlikely. Also [quote]Luis Pena, say detectives, first fired a warning shot above the back doors, but told detectives that Large just kept coming. "Eventually he did enter the residence, and advanced toward the family members," said Hester. Investigators say Mitchell Large, who appeared to be unarmed, has a criminal history of assault and domestic violence. [/quote] [url]http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/07/winter-haven-suspect-home-invasion-killed-pena-mitchell-large-wtsp/7435651/[/url]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;44512037]i'm far from an expert when it comes to US laws on gun storage etc so i apologize in advance if this sounds ignorant, but shouldn't those be in a secure cabinet under lock and key?[/QUOTE] No, as far as I remember it only applies if you've minors in the area and they gain access. [url]http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/790.174[/url]

lol "Petty burglars [i]probably[/i] aren't going to hurt you" is not going to be good enough for anyone who feels their lives are in danger from a potentially dangerous criminal trying to gain access to where they sleep.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;44512037]i'm far from an expert when it comes to US laws on gun storage etc so i apologize in advance if this sounds ignorant, but shouldn't those be in a secure cabinet under lock and key?[/QUOTE] Depends on the state. All though most people would advise you get a gun safe, gun-box, or just something that'll keep your guns from getting stolen, no federal guideline exists that prevents you from keeping firearms out. I myself keep my handgun up high, but within reason that if a house-break in were to occur, I could grab it. My rifles though stay inside a closet that I have a key and lock for. You can also have people which do not have enough money to afford a reasonable gun safe, but want to have some form of protection in their household, so they hide something like a shotgun or personal-defense carbine under their bed, which could be grabbed and loaded in a break in, so that they could protect their home and family members.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44511261]I, for one, enjoy being a uncivilized brute. [t]http://puu.sh/83JGQ.png[/t] Does this just [i]steam your beans?[/i][/QUOTE] This picture just boils my buns. I mean, I have to keep my guns locked in a safe, but you get to just leave then hanging on the wall. Lucky bastard.

I have a shotgun for just such an emergency.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;44511660]i swear to god why is it that people always have to act high and mighty when it comes to shit like this? you're not some "good person" when you act like a dickhead in that way. some worthless junkie forced himself into a home and paid the price when he ignored a warning. acting like we're all horrible people because we don't feel sympathetic just makes you look like a huge douche, i hope you know that.[/QUOTE] what you're basically saying here is "worthless junkies deserve to die" what a cunt you are [editline]10th April 2014[/editline] everyone that's defending the family that shot this guy are completely ignoring the fact that this person was a human being, you're all completely fine with someone dying when the situation could've been resolved without death sickening

[QUOTE=zerosix;44512258] everyone that's defending the family that shot this guy are completely ignoring the fact that this person was a human being, you're all completely fine with someone dying when the situation could've been resolved without death [/QUOTE] Of course its a shame that someone died, I would rather no one have had to die at all. But most of the people here defending the family recognize that the man breaking into their home was a potentially dangerous criminal who could have put their lives in danger, and so the family was justified in killing him. No one in real life is going to want to take the chance of being assaulted or killed just because the guy breaking into where you sleep (while you're sleeping) is [i]probably[/i] not going to harm you.

what is it with autistic americans on forums that have such a thing for guns? whenever I'm in the states I rarely hear about them and don't know any americans personally that own one [highlight](User was banned for this post ("trolling" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;44512037]i'm far from an expert when it comes to US laws on gun storage etc so i apologize in advance if this sounds ignorant, but shouldn't those be in a secure cabinet under lock and key?[/QUOTE] If I had children in my house, yes. But since I'm the youngest person in this house at 20 years old, no. [editline]10th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=zerosix;44512337]what is it with autistic americans on forums that have such a thing for guns? whenever I'm in the states I rarely hear about them and don't know any americans personally that own one[/QUOTE] Owning a gun makes you autistic. You heard it here folks.

[QUOTE=zerosix;44512337]what is it with autistic americans on forums that have such a thing for guns? whenever I'm in the states I rarely hear about them and don't know any americans personally that own one[/QUOTE] i have like 95 guns and I'm only borderline autistic. Tbh sounds like the family is bullshitting about the warning shot. I bet you he put a hole in the wall after they shot the guy to help cover himself for killing someone who was probably unarmed. That's just speculation of course but it would take a LOT of drugs to think advancing at a gun crazy family taking warning shots at you is a good idea.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;44512508]i have like 95 guns and I'm only borderline autistic. Tbh sounds like the family is bullshitting about the warning shot. I bet you he put a hole in the wall after they shot the guy to help cover himself for killing someone who was probably unarmed. That's just speculation of course but it would take a LOT of drugs to think advancing at a gun crazy family taking warning shots at you is a good idea.[/QUOTE] I thought you just beat the shit out of anyone that crossed you.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44512519]I thought you just beat the shit out of anyone that crossed you.[/QUOTE] i cant fight i just deter potential assailants by lat flaring.

[QUOTE=Lv100Garchomp;44511778]No, that is why states like Florida are backwards. I wonder what would have happened if someone had loaded a nonlethal option as the first shot before the rest is lethal in the gun. Would he still be alive? Who knows; he did ignore a shot directed directly at him. No one can say for sure, so the outcome may have came out to be the same.[/QUOTE] I'll put it the same way my conceal carry course instructor put it: Nonlethal deterrents, while they are a great option, only work if the other person has no intent to harm or kill you. You don't arm yourself to DETER violence, you arm yourself as a last resort when you feel your life is in danger. You NEVER pull a gun to fire a warning shot or scare someone away, because if they are armed as well, you just gave them not only a reason to kill you, but the knowledge that you have a weapon. You ALWAYS want to draw and shoot to kill, never to threaten or injur. It's for your own safety, as well as in your best interest.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44512756]I'll put it the same way my conceal carry course instructor put it: Nonlethal deterrents, while they are a great option, only work if the other person has no intent to harm or kill you. You don't arm yourself to DETER violence, you arm yourself as a last resort when you feel your life is in danger. You NEVER pull a gun to fire a warning shot or scare someone away, because if they are armed as well, you just gave them not only a reason to kill you, but the knowledge that you have a weapon. You ALWAYS want to draw and shoot to kill, never to threaten or injur. It's for your own safety, as well as in your best interest.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying I advocate having a first round nonlethal round, but because their story is that they fired a warning shot, then they possibly could have used something else. I do plan to get a gun some time in the future, but I don't have one right now. Really, I'm just theorizing what could have happened.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;44511660]i swear to god why is it that people always have to act high and mighty when it comes to shit like this? you're not some "good person" when you act like a dickhead in that way. [b]some worthless junkie[/b] forced himself into a home and paid the price when he ignored a warning. acting like we're all horrible people because we don't feel sympathetic just makes you look like a huge douche, i hope you know that.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree with the fact that they were in the right, defending themselves, but the fact that people seem to call the guy "some worthless junkie" grinds my gears - he's still human, even if he is a junkie. Rating the OP "Winner" is just tasteless.

[QUOTE=Lv100Garchomp;44512791]I'm not saying I advocate having a first round nonlethal round, but because their story is that they fired a warning shot, then they possibly could have used something else. I do plan to get a gun some time in the future, but I don't have one right now. Really, I'm just theorizing what could have happened.[/QUOTE] I understand. I thought that way too at one time until I took the course. Think about it this way: you have a bean bag round followed by 2 00 buck shot shells. You hit the guy with the bean bag and instruct him that the next ones are live. He's holding what looks like his back after the shot, but when you tell him to put his hands up, he swings around and shoots you with a .45ACP he had in his waistband cocked and loaded. Non-lethal is great sometimes, but using non-lethal in a situation where there is a high chance that your life may be in danger has a higher probability of you yourself getting killed instead of the offender. If you're not prepared to pull the trigger and kill someone, then the best option is for you not to pull the gun.

Why did this turn into a gun debate and self defense debate. Dude broke into a home, ignored a warning, got capped. All they saw was some dude walking in their house and walking towards them after firing a warning shot. If that doesnt scream "Immediate threat" im not sure what does.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44510947]I'm reading over this thread repeatedly and not seeing a single post with someone saying "AHAHA GET REKT!" So, shut up.[/QUOTE] GeT rEkt n00b xDDDDDDDDDD 360noscop'd LOL ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight]