More Californians than ever want to secede from US
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The sample size shouldn't be the issue here, you're beating around the bush. Our country is divided and all of these opposing sides have been at odds with each other for years now. Seems we're stuck in the same old song and dance, arguing over petty issues and ignoring the bigger picture as usual, or at the very least doing nothing to make things better.
We're covering our eyes and refusing to listen to each other or do anything meaningful about it while the few people, corporations and politicians at the top are eager to take advantage. All in the name of money and their agenda.
I hate the way that sounds reading it out loud, but that's honestly how I feel. I know the good is out there, but I'm having a hard time finding it among our government and the people at large. I'm not so sure about the state of things or where it's heading, I haven't been for a long time now and this is by no means exclusive to the United States.
I'll just repost my thoughts from the other secessionist threads:
[QUOTE=richard9311;51345710]I'm from California, and this is a bad idea.
Last time someone legitametly asked if they could leave the Union over an election they disagreed with, the awnser was a resounding no.
No, and the lives of 600,000 Americans.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=richard9311;51345737]States are very interconnected which facilitates a better economy overall. Interstate Commerce Act and all that Jazz. You are ripping yourself forcefully out of that system, its terrible for everyone on both sides.
Like I alluded to earlier, when you join The United States, its a permanent thing. We fought an incredibly bloody civil war partially to preserve the Union. There is no method for leaving, period.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=richard9311;51418347]I know the rest of the Union hates California, with some understandable reasons, but there's no reason to let us go. Legalities and fesibliltiy aside, almost nobody I know would want this to happen. No one I know holds some sort of loyalty to California above the United States of America. Everyone is kinda laughing at this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=richard9311;51418400]California leaving simply will not happen. Even in the unlikely scenario this gets enough signatures to get on the ballot, it would no way be legal for us to leave. The fact that this idea is even being entertained is damagining to both our reputation as California and to the world at large. Yes we have legitimate concerns after the results of the election, but we excersize those concerns using the democratic process of getting elected officials to represent our issues in Washington.
All this will do is get a signal boost from the media, shot down, and everyone on everyside hurt from it.[/QUOTE]
[editline]27th January 2017[/editline]
What hurts me the most is hearing a lot of other Americans out of state saying things like "good, do it you liberal faggots."
God damnit it, I'm an American and you're an American. We sometimes disagree but we work through shit like this. Not telling us to "fuck off."
I really don't get the "fuck you lefties!!!" Ideology. They're people with legitimate points of view, ideas and problems
[editline]27th January 2017[/editline]
It just makes YOU look like an idiot
The fact people are telling fellow Americans that it's good they are leaving because of their political views is absolutely disgusting.
america still has a couple of centuries until it starts to naturally fragment into new nations, theres not much point to california doing it now when the downsides of leaving far outweigh the benefits (for now that is)
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51736300]america still has a couple of centuries until it starts to naturally fragment into new nations, theres not much point to california doing it now when the downsides of leaving far outweigh the benefits (for now that is)[/QUOTE]
True, But yours have some sad couple/three decades left until your nation politically/economically collaspe and split into four nations (Scotland possibly biggest one leave before other region).
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51736330]True, But yours have some sad couple/three decades left until your nation politically/economically collaspe and split into four nations (Scotland possibly biggest one leave before other region).[/QUOTE]
the united kingdom was never really united in the first place though, which is why its happening to a large extent. the british "nation" is ultimately just an extrapolation of english culture, with the british nation (much like the american nation) being really shallow as a result and having little to actually hold it together.
[QUOTE=cdr248;51735624]lmao nice sample size[/QUOTE]
Where was the sample taken? In the samplers friend-group? This is very important to know where they took it.
Didn't you guys call Texas retarded for wanting to do that?
Not gonna argue viability afterwards but right now is the best time to secede for them because trump would probably go "WE DIDN'T NEED YOU ANYWAY" and then go on a twitter rant about how they didn't even vote for him.
Also basing this partly on how he reacted to the chinese taking the us sub drone.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51735627]They don't have enough water to sustain themselves and their large economy. Also they can't leave legally. And if they left illegally they would be invaded and conquered.
Actually, this doesn't sound like a bad idea. Maybe we can have a "California Reconstruction" and purge all the lefty filth from the state.
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Yea, purge the lefties because you can't handle people existing with different opinions.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51736372]Didn't you guys call Texas retarded for wanting to do that?[/QUOTE]
Who is "you guys"?
[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51735732]it's not a case of the "current year" meme. Its the context of what the USA was in the past (nothing) and is now (everything)
Syria and Ukraine -did- have a lot of shit thrown over them, and their backwater countries without much say on the global stage.
If you think the USA, as (one of) the most powerful nations on Earth, could just devolve in to civil war as the provoker against a leaving state without shit being thrown over it, you're 100% deluded.[/QUOTE]
Any State that tries to secede from the Union can and will be kept in by force.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51736391]Any State that tries to secede from the Union can and will be kept in by force.[/QUOTE]
there's this as well as to why the USA won't fracture for a long time unlike the United Kingdom, because it'll have to wait until the point where it will no longer be possible for the USA to hold the country together militarily
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51736345]the united kingdom was never really united in the first place though, which is why its happening to a large extent. the british "nation" is ultimately just an extrapolation of english culture, with the british nation (much like the american nation) being really shallow as a result and having little to actually hold it together.[/QUOTE]
I know you talking about, But in far future historians will renamed British Empire simply as English Empire and England will be back as only Kingdom of Republic fill isles after entity collaspe.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51736457]I know you talking about, But in far future historians will renamed British Empire simply as English Empire and England will be back as only Kingdom of Republic fill isles after entity collaspe.[/QUOTE]
What
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51736457]I know you talking about, But in far future historians will renamed British Empire simply as English Empire and England will be back as only Kingdom of Republic fill isles after entity collaspe.[/QUOTE]what happens to Britain is pretty irrelevant, we're talking about the US here.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51736512]What[/QUOTE]
I dont know, Thinking of impulsable on British 'nation' collapse within decades before writing some gibberish
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51735607]Good, I don't want them anyways. Unfortunate they can't actually leave.[/QUOTE]
Hey man not all of us californians want this. They did a 500 survey size and I highly doubt most people want to sesceed. No one that Ive ever talked to here wants to. Differing political views doesnt make someone bad. No need to toss shade for a piss poor survey.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51736542]I dont know, Thinking of impulsable on British 'nation' collapse within decades before writing some gibberish[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what you're saying. Your grammar and phrasing is confusing me.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51736457]I know you talking about, But in far future historians will renamed British Empire simply as English Empire and England will be back as only Kingdom of Republic fill isles after entity collaspe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51736542]I dont know, Thinking of impulsable on British 'nation' collapse within decades before writing some gibberish[/QUOTE]
Are you ok?
[QUOTE=J!NX;51736575]Are you ok?[/QUOTE]
Sorry people, Just ignore all them because I just originally replied to Sobotnik before my brain mess up for some reason
[QUOTE=MR-X;51736372]Didn't you guys call Texas retarded for wanting to do that?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and I stand by that for California too.
So why should California be affected by Republican policy to begin with? Or even just cities in general? Why should a state's laws made for cities extend to rural towns? I know that it will never happen, but holy shit we need to redraw state lines or otherwise balkanize the nation. If states had more rights and were redrawn to accurately reflect their demographics we would have half of the divisiveness that we have today, if only for most things being handled on state levels rather than federal.
You guys are getting way to ahead of yourselves. If California were to secede, which it won't, it would be a peaceful affair in which California just splits off. There would probably be a free trade agreement between the two countries and open borders. And if those idiotic tariffs that Trump is proposing do get put in place, the California economy would flourish.
[QUOTE=Fayez;51737142]If California were to secede, which it won't,[b] it would be a peaceful affair in which California just splits off.[/b][/QUOTE]
In what universe would this ever happen.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51737151]In what universe would this ever happen.[/QUOTE]
In a universe where California becomes it's own nation. There's basically no other way for it to happen.
It's not surprising that more people are thinking about it when the president disregards the opinions of the population of one of the biggest states in the country, spreads hatred, and basically just says deal with it.
[QUOTE=Fayez;51737186]In a universe where California becomes it's own nation. There's basically no other way for it to happen.[/QUOTE]
What would actually happen is the military would enter the Californian Congress and the Governor's Office and maybe arrest the offenders and that's it. California wouldn't fight back, instead there's a good chance it'd be the California National Guard that does the arresting on behalf of the President of the United States. You might have a day where some bridges and streets are blocked by Army trucks and soldiers occupy Government buildings, but then you'd wake up the next day and they'll all be gone, and California will still be part of the union.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51737296]What would actually happen is the military would enter the Californian Congress and the Governor's Office and maybe arrest the offenders and that's it. California wouldn't fight back, instead there's a good chance it'd be the California National Guard that does the arresting on behalf of the President of the United States.[/QUOTE]
And That time you wouldn't call Trump Fascist because that literally is trying to save the country.
and during the New Reconstruction California would actually lose their Senate and house members.
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