[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;31832187]Number of workers paying:
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Source: [url]http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/chartbooks/fast_facts/2010/fast_facts10.html#financing[/url][/release][/QUOTE]
So add the 2 new tax brackets Obama's been talking about and follow through on that jobs program he's going to introduce in the fall. Should solve this problem.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;31829967]What makes you think Republicans are a "hivemind"?[/QUOTE]
Unanimously voting no?
what the fuck is wrong with you people
how could facepunch possibly like this guy
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31823901]except his policies are ignorant and fucking batshit in and of themselves, states choosing human rights isn't a good thing[/QUOTE]
hes not a bullshitter, which is why people like and respect him.
you might disagree with him but you have to respect the fact he's not stupid like the rest of the candidates
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;31838178]what the fuck is wrong with you people
how could [B]facepunch[/B] possibly like this guy[/QUOTE]
You mean some FPers. The whole of Facepunch doesn't have just one opinion on the man.
[editline]19th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dppdy;31838224]hes not a bullshitter, which is why people like and respect him.
you might disagree with him but you have to respect the fact he's not stupid like the rest of the candidates[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, but simply being honest about bad policies doesn't make those policies any better.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31838239]
Fair enough, but simply being honest about bad policies doesn't make those policies any better.[/QUOTE]
His policies might suck but that doesn't mean hes not deserving of respect
[QUOTE=Dppdy;31838341]His policies might suck but that doesn't mean hes not deserving of respect[/QUOTE]
Then yes, I at least respect him for his honesty.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;31838178]what the fuck is wrong with you people
how could facepunch possibly like this guy[/QUOTE]
People overlook the mountain of bullshit he wants to push through for some reason.
[QUOTE=Sanius;31838380]People overlook the mountain of bullshit he wants to push through for some reason.[/QUOTE]
Thats not it at all.
People respect him because hes not batshit insane like the other candidates. while he might not have progressive/liberal policies, he really puts some thought into his opinions and can back all of them up without contradicting himself or running away.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;31831611]Social Security isn't a savings account. It's not a "I've paid into it all my life, where's my money I gave you?"
All that money they paid into it back then went to retirees BACK THEN. The money they're asking for is from people working TODAY.[/QUOTE]
Basically, a gargantuan ponzi scheme that steals from all successive generations.
[QUOTE=Billiam;31829351]You'd think that, but the Democratic Party isn't a hivemind.
Unlike the Republican Party which will near unanimously vote no.
And the fact that 60 Votes are needed to end Senate filibusters.[/QUOTE]
Please, this idiotic filibuster can be repealed at any time, nowhere in the constitution does it require such a feature be apart of the Senate
[QUOTE=cqbcat;31839243]Basically, a gargantuan ponzi scheme that steals from all successive generations.[/QUOTE]
This just in, taxes are now stealing!
[QUOTE=thisispain;31830799]well good for you that you don't think that but i find it a pretty big deal breaker and a lot of other people do so ignoring his social policies is a amazingly shallow thing to do.
he's also the representative to the nation fyi, that's not someone who i want representing me i know that.[/QUOTE]
His entire platform is removing everything to the State level and what social policies? he voted to repeal don't ask don't tell, he voted against the constitutional amendment that would outlaw any and all sex marriages in the United States, he says he would never support compulsory prayer in school, he is pro-life yet he introduced bills to congress to prevent the Federal Courts from prohibiting abortion, same sex marriage, or birth control, and voted against a bill that would have restricted the transportation of a minor across state lines to get a abortion, he supports Stem-cell research including even embryonic stem-cells, and he opposes capital punishment
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31839360]Please, this idiotic filibuster can be repealed at any time, nowhere in the constitution does it require such a feature be apart of the Senate[/QUOTE]
No it can't, there's an ardent bipartisanship group of Senators who would refuse to remove filibusters.
I love Ron Paul, although I'm a little on the fence about his economic policies.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31839559]His entire platform is removing everything to the State level[/QUOTE]
This alone is enough reason not to vote for him.
Ron Paul is a homophobic creationist pro-lifer xenophobic moron and yet he is treated like the "best choice for America" on the internet. Anyone who supports this guy is a fucking idiot. He is against the separation of church and state, he believes in a less centralized government and he also wants to destroy what little remains of the United States' economic power by lowering federal tax rates exponentially, taking down the federal reserve and lowering government spending on social programs to help those in need.
I don't give a fuck if this guy doesn't want the government to define marriage or if he wants to give the government the right to regulate abortion, it is his personal beliefs and the last thing we need is to take away from the federal government's power and give it to the states because I don't want these conservative bigoted assholes in my state having anymore power than they already do.
Fuck Ron Paul. Fuck his supporters and I look forward to what I'll be seeing after this post.
"Creationism is always a bad thing and creationists should not be able to run for any office."
Edit: he's probably still a stupid guy even though creationist isn't a negative title.
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;31839640]I love Ron Paul, although I'm a little on the fence about his economic policies.[/QUOTE]
So you agree with his stance on homosexual marriage (against it), creationism (believes in it) and the fact that he thinks that all worker rights etc. should be decided by the free market?
What should happen is someone should take the idea from David Cameron and just say "In American politics, we don't do god". Despite his Christian viewpoints on many controversial matters, he still does what is right for the English people and I'll give him props for that.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31839559]His entire platform is removing everything to the State level and what social policies? he voted to repeal don't ask don't tell, he voted against the constitutional amendment that would outlaw any and all sex marriages in the United States, he says he would never support compulsory prayer in school, he is pro-life yet he introduced bills to congress to prevent the Federal Courts from prohibiting abortion, same sex marriage, or birth control, and voted against a bill that would have restricted the transportation of a minor across state lines to get a abortion, he supports Stem-cell research including even embryonic stem-cells, and he opposes capital punishment[/QUOTE]
You left out the part where he just did those things because he wants states to decide not the federal government.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31832324]So add the 2 new tax brackets Obama's been talking about and follow through on that jobs program he's going to introduce in the fall. Should solve this problem.[/QUOTE]
Adding new jobs don't matter. There are just too many retirees and not enough younger workers. That 2 and 1/2 workers per retiree have been like that since the 70s if you read the chart. And I'm pretty sure there's been times from then to now when jobs have been on the rise.
[QUOTE=Billiam;31839593]No it can't, there's an ardent bipartisanship group of Senators who would refuse to remove filibusters.[/QUOTE]
Lack of will does not equal a inability to be repealed
[editline]20th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31839800]This alone is enough reason not to vote for him.[/QUOTE]
Why is that? You don't believe in a federal system?
[editline]20th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31840410]Ron Paul is a homophobic creationist pro-lifer xenophobic moron and yet he is treated like the "best choice for America" on the internet. Anyone who supports this guy is a fucking idiot. He is against the separation of church and state, he believes in a less centralized government and he also wants to destroy what little remains of the United States' economic power by lowering federal tax rates exponentially, taking down the federal reserve and lowering government spending on social programs to help those in need.[/QUOTE]
Please, the US is a economic joke, and what why do you want a more centralized Government? all that will lead to is Balkanization
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31840410]I don't give a fuck if this guy doesn't want the government to define marriage or if he wants to give the government the right to regulate abortion, it is his personal beliefs and the last thing we need is to take away from the federal government's power and give it to the states because I don't want these conservative bigoted assholes in my state having anymore power than they already do.[/QUOTE]
Then move to a different state, there's no border controls on state borders
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31841775]Then move to a different state, there's no border controls on state borders[/QUOTE]
I live in a conservative christian state, why should I have to relocate because some dipshit politician believes state government should have more power than they already do?
[editline]20th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31841775]
Please, the US is a economic joke, and what why do you want a more centralized Government? all that will lead to is Balkanization[/QUOTE]
And giving more power to people such as Rick Perry and Sarah Palin will fix that? What the fuck are you on.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31841775]Lack of will does not equal a inability to be repealed[/QUOTE]
Lack of will? The majority Dems attacked the filibuster before and failed.
Like I said the Dems aren't a hive-mind.
[editline]21st August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;31841775]Why is that? You don't believe in a federal system?[/QUOTE]
A-Ham till I die.
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[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;31825287]Idiot portion of him:
"Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,” Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program. "
* Eliminating the income, capital gains, and death taxes to ensure you keep more of your hard-earned money and are able to pass on your legacy to your family without government interference.
* Opposing all unfunded mandates and unnecessary regulations on small businesses and entrepreneurs.
Insane part of him:
"The power to tax is the power to destroy, which is why Ron Paul will never support higher taxes."
* Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.
He quotes the douchebag of the millenium: Milton fucking Friedman.[/QUOTE]
Wtf, if I were to hazard a guess you are young, from a family who isn't very wealthy and have so far hardly worked or paid taxes? While I have no problem with taxes, and higher tax rates for higher income earners, death taxes are horrible for both the parents and children. When I die, and if I have kids, I would want to give them the best possible chances with the money [i]I[/i] have worked for and saved, not have the government swoop in and attempt to take it. It's MY damn money after all, the government will have taken it's cut my entire life already. Especially if this also forces the sale of assets upon death simply to pay the government for your death. Yuck.
I'm not sure what your problem with the second point is, you actually LIKE making things more difficult for small businesses I take it? I'm really having a hard time understanding how anyone could WANT a situation where big business rules the roost and just crush all small ventures. It happens enough already and both sides of politics already love stomping on small business. I must be misunderstanding here or something though, because as I said I am having a hard time understanding.
While I would hardly consider America a welfare state whatsoever, giving handouts to people who are physically able to work while suitable jobs exist is terrible and only encourages a lazy society. Having said that, it seems to me that isn't really the case in America, or at least not as much of a problem as some seem to think it is.
Ron Paul might have some stupid views, especially on things like separation of church and state. You however just seem like you're yet another lazy young person who loves the idea of the rest of the country having to pick up your slack. I find it worrying how many people agree with you too, yay for communism =/
[QUOTE=Isotope;31858226]Wtf, if I were to hazard a guess you are young, from a family who isn't very wealthy and have so far hardly worked or paid taxes? While I have no problem with taxes, and higher tax rates for higher income earners, death taxes are horrible for both the parents and children. When I die, and if I have kids, I would want to give them the best possible chances with the money [I]I[/I] have worked for and saved, not have the government swoop in and attempt to take it. It's MY damn money after all, the government will have taken it's cut my entire life already. Especially if this also forces the sale of assets upon death simply to pay the government for your death. Yuck.
I'm not sure what your problem with the second point is, you actually LIKE making things more difficult for small businesses I take it? I'm really having a hard time understanding how anyone could WANT a situation where big business rules the roost and just crush all small ventures. It happens enough already and both sides of politics already love stomping on small business. I must be misunderstanding here or something though, because as I said I am having a hard time understanding.
While I would hardly consider America a welfare state whatsoever, giving handouts to people who are physically able to work while suitable jobs exist is terrible and only encourages a lazy society. Having said that, it seems to me that isn't really the case in America, or at least not as much of a problem as some seem to think it is.
Ron Paul might have some stupid views, especially on things like separation of church and state. You however just seem like you're yet another lazy young person who loves the idea of the rest of the country having to pick up your slack. I find it worrying how many people agree with you too, yay for communism =/[/QUOTE]
Death taxes are necessary for the wealthy. Roosevelt recognized this, and so did others before him. Some oil tycoon's offspring receives an inheritance and sits poolside waiting for dividends checks. Roosevelt and others knew that wealth gained through the lucky sperm club is dangerous. They knew that a fair and equitable society is one where wealth is created, not bestowed upon birth.
A family should be able to make life easier for their children by passing on wealth--of course! A family should never be able to hoard massive amounts of wealth through their bloodline.
[QUOTE=Isotope;31858226]Wtf, if I were to hazard a guess you are young, from a family who isn't very wealthy and have so far hardly worked or paid taxes?[/QUOTE]
We have ranged from: Wealthy to low income in a matter of years and I have had to both paid taxes and not. We went from wealthy when we had control of 12 houses that we rented to people all over the world and then we had to sell everything because of family issues.
[QUOTE]While I have no problem with taxes, and higher tax rates for higher income earners, death taxes are horrible for both the parents and children. When I die, and if I have kids, I would want to give them the best possible chances with the money [i]I[/i] have worked for and saved, not have the government swoop in and attempt to take it.[/QUOTE]
When my father died in cancer about 3-4 years ago he had saved up ALOT of money and this was taxed and we are still getting money. I don't know what planet you live on.
[QUOTE]It's MY damn money after all, the government will have taken it's cut my entire life already. Especially if this also forces the sale of assets upon death simply to pay the government for your death. Yuck.[/QUOTE]
Well yes it's your money, no doubt about it, but if you go to your lawyer or death dude he can help with the legal things that prevent them from selling things. Not that hard.
[QUOTE]I'm not sure what your problem with the second point is, you actually LIKE making things more difficult for small businesses I take it? I'm really having a hard time understanding how anyone could WANT a situation where big business rules the roost and just crush all small ventures. It happens enough already and both sides of politics already love stomping on small business. I must be misunderstanding here or something though, because as I said I am having a hard time understanding.[/QUOTE]
I have a problem with the second point because we are encouraged to start small businesses here in Sweden and in this county (Dalarna) we have the highest number of small businesses in Sweden. We have regulations and shit and that doesn't seem to be stopping us. My family have owned 4 stores and 12 houses when we had it best and we paid taxes and everything. Never ever did it even put a dent in our income or made it harder.
[QUOTE]While I would hardly consider America a welfare state whatsoever, giving handouts to people who are physically able to work while suitable jobs exist is terrible and only encourages a lazy society. Having said that, it seems to me that isn't really the case in America, or at least not as much of a problem as some seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
Handouts to people who are able to work are probably working or have been laid of because of this tiny thing called recession. If it is neccessary that they recieve help then they fucking should get help.
[QUOTE]Ron Paul might have some stupid views, especially on things like separation of church and state. You however just seem like you're yet another lazy young person who loves the idea of the rest of the country having to pick up your slack. I find it worrying how many people agree with you too, yay for communism =/[/QUOTE]
Lazy? Communism? Oh man, it's like I'm talking to Milton Friedman himself haha :v:
1. Communism have NOTHING to do with this. I'm a social democrat, there is a big difference and I think you need to learn it.
2. That lazy part really struck me because I'm starting school again in my EVIL SOCIALIST SWEDEN because I actually can and don't need to pay several hundred of thousands of dollars in admittance.
3. Taxes are a really good thing for goverment because then they can build a safety net for people that fall into trouble and help them get back on track but I guess your social darwinism is too lodged in your head to realise that people need help sometimes.
I like Paul's defense of abortion, state rights, and such, but jesus christ some of his economic and military ideas are retarded. From what I've seen of his ideals, he wants to pretty much pull the United States out from politics entirely.
Seems like people either love his economic/foreign policy but hate his domestic policy, or vice versa; never both.
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