CNN poll and one Democratic Consultant: Republicans might win the senate
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;46194732]In Federal elections in the US, a vote for a third party is a vote for the major party which you don't like.[/QUOTE]
It's really just equivalent to not voting at all.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;46194394]Nah we're better off[/QUOTE]
This is a political entity that has completely rejected compromise and moderation, resulting in our last government shutdown, and has attached itself fanatically to an ideology opposing gay marriage, abortion, proper health care reform, and other reasonable solutions to our social problems whilst completely neglecting the pressing issues affecting our country, especially concerning our mounting national debt and immigration policies, because it's got a personal vendetta against the president which it has openly exalted since the Tea Party became a factor.
In no reality are we better off under this party. We're better off with the Democrats. They have to play the game like everyone else does, and yes, even for them scandals and corruption are issues, but we're better off with them nonetheless because they do have a reasonable platform as others have pointed out. The Republican Party is a trainwreck of shit and has been for years now. Improvement is not going to happen with them, just as it didn't before.
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46194316]Time for to set new records for presidential vetoes...[/QUOTE]
...or a new record of Executive orders.
[QUOTE=Medevila;46194777]its a matter of being principled, which may not be as important to you as to someone else[/QUOTE]
I was correcting him saying that it was like voting for the other party, not making a statement about not voting for anyone you want.
[QUOTE=Medevila;46194777]its a matter of being principled, which may not be as important to you as to someone else[/QUOTE]
Did you read what I posted? In the US it really is the equivalent of voting for the other major party, if that's what your principles are.
[editline]10th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=sgman91;46194791]I was correcting him saying that it was like voting for the other party, not making a statement about not voting for anyone you want.[/QUOTE]
Well it pretty much is voting for the other party if you read my example.
how about instead of voting for aquaman or a glass of lemonade on a hot day or whoever the hell it is that third-parties run as candidates people get involved in their local primaries and do their part to choose a democratic or republican candidate that they think is upstanding? that is, unless they think that merely being associated with a major party ruins a candidate and forever relegates them to being one of the "two evils"
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46194797]how about instead of voting for aquaman or a glass of lemonade on a hot day or whoever the hell it is that third-parties run as candidates people get involved in their local primaries and do their part to choose a democratic or republican candidate that they think is upstanding? that is, unless they think that merely being associated with a major party ruins a candidate and forever relegates them to being one of the "two evils"[/QUOTE]
Have you ever considered that maybe people don't agree with the ideas of the third party, which is why they rarely get voted into anything?
Third party? Whats a... third party?
isn't that a myth?
what is this "Magical third party"?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46194327]I'm not voting for either anyway.[/QUOTE]
You're a big dummy then. Even if you buy into all the "they're both the same party huhuhuh" bullshit you have to be able to see which side does more good things than the other. Do some simple cost-benefit analysis.
[QUOTE=Saxon;46194492]I distaste both parties but the republicans I hate the most.[/QUOTE]
You [B]distate[/B] both parties? Lol
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46194892]You [B]distate[/B] both parties? Lol[/QUOTE]
Republican patties taste the worst
There are policy positions that are more important than principles. This is a fact of the world we live in.
I despise the Democratic culture and disagree with them on a number of issues but one thing they have over the Republicans is actually understanding the science of global warming.
As a Florida resident I'd be in dereliction of my duty as a citizen to vote in any way that gives the party of the Koch brothers more influence in local, state, or federal legislation.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46194880]Do some simply cost-benefit analysis.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, you shouldn't shy away from a "lesser evil" choice on "principle" alone, you should always shoot for the better outcome.
If a cost-benefit analysis says "lesser evil" gets the better outcome then go with it.
So with a bit of cost-benefit analysis, it makes sense to vote Independent! :dance:
The thing is your vote for either major party is going to make a minimal positive difference in your life, mainly due to the similarities and corruption of both parties.
However, a vote for an Independent does provide some positive benefits in your life, because it allows you to talk about the fact that you voted while pissing off the smallest number of people!
It removes the three biggest reasons you might accidentally anger another "voter":
-You can't be blamed for the stupid things the winner does because your candidate didn't win.
-You're most likely not a member of the "opposing party".
-You voted and can't be accused of not voting.
Sure some people might hate you for voting independent and throwing your vote away, but the number of people who will hate you for that is FAR fewer than those who would hate you for the above reasons and it's often easy to "omit" such a detail from most conversations.
With your Independent vote you can talk about your vote while generally annoying or angering the smallest possible number of people. Having many such facts you can share without pissing people off is beneficial in lots of social situations and networking!
Despite what some people might say, we all know that socializing and networking really do matter in life!
Be selfish, do what benefits you personally the most, and feel above other people as a bonus!
Vote Independent! :v:
(P.S.: Yes this may be sarcasm.)
(P.P.S.: Maybe... :tinfoil:)
one must worry about a republican government but fret a democratic one; one must relish a reliable one but not complain when one votes bipartisan
[QUOTE=The mouse;46194447]As is my understanding of American Politics, both the parties are so similar that it really doesn't make a difference for normal people whose in office because both the 2 parties are so similar.[/QUOTE]
Far from similar.
GOP: Small government, privatization, low taxes, pro-business. Seen as faith-based.
Tea Party: Batshit crazy. More like toddlers with power. Definition of old white man catholic and ultra-conservative
Democrats: Big(ger) government, more public sector, social welfare programs, more pro-consumer. While conservatives exist within the party, the democrats are seen as more liberal than the GOP and Tea Party
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46195441]Far from similar.
GOP: Small government, privatization, low taxes, pro-business. Seen as faith-based.
Tea Party: Batshit crazy. More like toddlers with power. Definition of old white man catholic and ultra-conservative
Democrats: Big(ger) government, more public sector, social welfare programs, more pro-consumer. While conservatives exist within the party, the democrats are seen as more liberal than the GOP and Tea Party[/QUOTE]
I thought the "Tea Party" was not really a party but some kind of unspoken coalition between a minority of politicians from both aisles?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;46195582]I thought the "Tea Party" was not really a party but some kind of unspoken coalition between a minority of politicians from both aisles?[/QUOTE]
I put them separate since the GOP doesnt want to be affiliated with them anymore due to their inability to compromise when the government shutdown happened. I'm sure theres a democrat in there, but for the most part I thought it was a division of the republican party
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46194892]You [B]distate[/B] both parties? Lol[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you're getting at, its proper to use distaste in the manner I did. As the matter of fact the Oxford dictionary recognizes this.
Distate isn't actually a word in english, try harder.
The stuff that both parties try to feed me taste like shit anyway.
I think we're going to see the rise of either a strong third party, soon. The sad part is it'll be spurred by the distastes of the republican party.
As I have said before, it'll be interesting to see where this train goes. Even as a conservative I have a tendency to vote for both or tri-party during local elections, but consider it a waste of my goddamn time to vote in the national elections outside my senators/representatives. If the GOP does manage to take the Senate and House though, this would be the perfect position for them to do a Rep-180, and do things such as fixing the current NHC abortion we have, and try to make an actual system which works logically and realistically. One thing I personally hope for though with GOP control is the allowing of Puerto Rico as a state, gun rights with sane regulation prospects, taking a relook at LGBT rights with a heart to say, "Whatever, let them love each other"
For me, my pipedreams of having every state with a state bank, and an overall nationalized bank in the United States will have to be a pipedream until I can try to run for something.
[editline]9th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;46194867]Third party? Whats a... third party?
isn't that a myth?
what is this "Magical third party"?[/QUOTE]
Please do tell, in North Dakota we only have three parties...
Libertarians
Democrat-Non Partisan League
Republican
Thankfully though the Republicans in North Dakota still carry the ol' school social capitalist blood that most North Dakotan Republicans/Democrat NPL have.
The senate race in my state has a crazy republican and a do nothing dem.
I miss the guy retiring already.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46195839]As I have said before, it'll be interesting to see where this train goes. Even as a conservative I have a tendency to vote for both or tri-party during local elections, but consider it a waste of my goddamn time to vote in the national elections outside my senators/representatives. If the GOP does manage to take the Senate and House though, this would be the perfect position for them to do a Rep-180, and do things such as fixing the current NHC abortion we have, and try to make an actual system which works logically and realistically. One thing I personally hope for though with GOP control is the allowing of Puerto Rico as a state, gun rights with sane regulation prospects, taking a relook at LGBT rights with a heart to say, "Whatever, let them love each other"
For me, my pipedreams of having every state with a state bank, and an overall nationalized bank in the United States will have to be a pipedream until I can try to run for something.
[editline]9th October 2014[/editline]
Please do tell, in North Dakota we only have three parties...
Libertarians
Democrat-Non Partisan League
Republican
Thankfully though the Republicans in North Dakota still carry the ol' school social capitalist blood that most North Dakotan Republicans/Democrat NPL have.[/QUOTE]
You guys have a libertarian party? gibe pls
All three of North Dakota's parties are really, really fucking weird. Our Republican Party has socialist blood running through it, and is known for trying to increase the power of the Bank of North Dakota while increasing transparency to prevent local corruption. The Democrat-NPL is like a moderate conservative party which usually promotes gun rights and tends to be a pretty nice middle ground party. The Libertarians here tend to be more for the promotion of localized state rights, and improving the North Dakotan economy and well being of North Dakotans with better managed systems.
Oh and every party is pretty much controlled by the Lutherans, I swear. :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46195918]All three of North Dakota's parties are really, really fucking weird. Our Republican Party has socialist blood running through it, and is known for trying to increase the power of the Bank of North Dakota while increasing transparency to prevent local corruption. The Democrat-NPL is like a moderate conservative party which usually promotes gun rights and tends to be a pretty nice middle ground party. The Libertarians here tend to be more for the promotion of localized state rights, and improving the North Dakotan economy and well being of North Dakotans with better managed systems.
Oh and every party is pretty much controlled by the Lutherans, I swear. :v:[/QUOTE]
Oh well then, at least we now know that the parties aren't hive minds! :v: (In the general view, at least)
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;46195933]Oh well then, at least we now know that the parties aren't hive minds! :v: (In the general view, at least)[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, good joke. All the parties tend to work together to fuck over any oil company which pisses us off. It's pretty priceless actually.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;46195582]I thought the "Tea Party" was not really a party but some kind of unspoken coalition between a minority of politicians from both aisles?[/QUOTE]
This shows a fundamental ignorance of American politics and makes me call all your previous posts into question.
No the Tea Party is absolutely not a coalition and doesn't include anything that could even be vaguely considered leftist or even moderate.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46194327]I'm not voting for either anyway.[/QUOTE]
Voter abstention is probably the single most counterproductive way to voice discontent there is.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;46195740]I think we're going to see the rise of either a strong third party, soon. The sad part is it'll be spurred by the distastes of the republican party.[/QUOTE]
This will never happen as long as corruption is so thoroughly rooted in the American election system.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46195978]This shows a fundamental ignorance of American politics and makes me call all your previous posts into question.
No the Tea Party is absolutely not a coalition and doesn't include anything that could even be vaguely considered leftist or even moderate.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying it's an actual party? If anything this calls your posts into question. Unless you're going to say it's a political movement or some crap, in which case you'd basically be affirming what I said as I used "coalition" in the broadest sense of the term
Of course I'm aware that it has nothing associated with leftist policy, but you do understand that not all democrats are liberal?
It seems you didn't read into context, as I had just quoted a post where it this very tidbit is mentioned. But as usual you decided to reach for your insults first. Good show.
[editline]9th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;46195985]Voter abstention is probably the single most counterproductive way to voice discontent there is.[/QUOTE]
He said he was voting, just not for either the democrats or GOP
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