• CNN poll and one Democratic Consultant: Republicans might win the senate
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[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46209210]If only we had the Republicans who totally wouldn't have done all of those things along with a lot of bad things that the Democrats wouldn't do[/QUOTE] Kybalt's argument is that the Democrats are better than the Republicans. My point is that they aren't. [editline]11th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Saxon;46210653]It was under the bush administration that planted the seeds and all this rampant surveillance started, literally both sides are responsible :v: If you wanna think the republicans are so great you can just look at the hero Ronald Reagan which there entire platform aspires to, maintained communism blacklists which ruined peoples lively hood.[/QUOTE] Did I say the Republicans were better? No. I'm saying that they are both equally bad.
How is this still shocking? It's always been Republicans, Democrats, Republicans, Democrats, etc.; everyone gets tired of one shitty party and puts their faith in the other, thinking it'll be "different this time." Both parties are complete shit, and if you think not, you're delusional.
[QUOTE=Killergam;46207142]America needs a third party, picking between two is a very boring choice.[/QUOTE] The only thing a third party would do in our current electoral system is split the vote and hand uninterrupted dominance to the party most ideologically distant from them. The entire system needs to be replaced with proportional representation for a third party to ever accomplish anything good. [editline]12th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=darunner;46211627]Kybalt's argument is that the Democrats are better than the Republicans. My point is that they aren't. [editline]11th October 2014[/editline] Did I say the Republicans were better? No. [B]I'm saying that they are both equally bad.[/B][/QUOTE] If you honestly believe that, you have no business discussing politics. The parties are not the same, and they are not equal.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46212028] If you honestly believe that, you have no business discussing politics. The parties are not the same, and they are not equal.[/QUOTE] Each new group in power perpetuates the policies of the previous one. Sure, they can get elected by boasting about how they'll sweep change into office, then tweak it here and there, but they'll keep most of it just the same. If the next president is a Republican, he's not going to toss out Obamacare. He'll tweak it, make it look "nicer" to the right-wing and let it go. The next Democrat won't change the Republican's warhawk foreign policy, they'll tweak it, cut a few million in defense, and let it carry on as usual. Why they both suck isn't because they're the same, but because they permit the old policies to continue and it turns them into a rhyme of the previous one in power.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46212114]Each new group in power perpetuates the policies of the previous one. Sure, they can get elected by boasting about how they'll sweep change into office, then tweak it here and there, but they'll keep most of it just the same. If the next president is a Republican, he's not going to toss out Obamacare. He'll tweak it, make it look "nicer" to the right-wing and let it go. The next Democrat won't change the Republican's warhawk foreign policy, they'll tweak it, cut a few million in defense, and let it carry on as usual. Why they both suck isn't because they're the same, but because they permit the old policies to continue and it turns them into a rhyme of the previous one in power.[/QUOTE] Sorry that's simply not true. Have you ever heard of Obamacare?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46212159]did you read the post?[/QUOTE] Yeah and he doesn't seem to understand how the policy works or how laws work in general. It's like he heard "Obamacare is big thing dat the politicans dont like."
[QUOTE=Explosions;46212168]Yeah and he doesn't seem to understand how the policy works or how laws work in general. It's like he heard "Obamacare is big thing dat the politicans dont like."[/QUOTE] So instead of giving an argument, you choose to just belittle me or something?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46212172]So instead of giving an argument, you choose to just belittle me or something?[/QUOTE] What does fuck does "tweak it, make it look "nicer" to the right-wing and let it go" even mean? And why would a Republican do that? If the Republicans hold the presidency and congress, why would they not get rid of Obamacare when they're been moaning about it for years?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46212191]What does fuck does "tweak it, make it look "nicer" to the right-wing and let it go" even mean? And why would a Republican do that? If the Republicans hold the presidency and congress, why would they not get rid of Obamacare when they're been moaning about it for years?[/QUOTE] Because there are institutional barriers to them just saying, "Let's bomb Obama care right now and make it like it was never perpetrated in the first place." Unless you want to spam executive orders, but even that's a pretty scummy thing to do and it would put the president on a level as low as FDR's.
of course you hate FDR
[QUOTE=Explosions;46212191]What does fuck does "tweak it, make it look "nicer" to the right-wing and let it go" even mean? And why would a Republican do that? If the Republicans hold the presidency and congress, why would they not get rid of Obamacare when they're been moaning about it for years?[/QUOTE] To be realistic, the window on that has probably closed. It would require revoking the coverage of several million people and wishing them good luck paying for dramatically more expensive coverage. They would have done it in 2010 before anyone had the chance to benefit, but it won't happen now. That particular example alone doesn't validate ESII's view. Dramatic policy changes result from elections all the time. Bush II brought massively increased military spending, significant tax cuts, and an attempt to privatize Social Security just in time for the financial crisis to wipe it out. Obama brought a bill designed to provide free or subsided healthcare to the entire lower and middle classes. Reagan launched a 30-year program of deregulation that contributed heavily to a devastating recession and financial crisis. Johnson signed Medicare into law. The parties pursue extremely different policies and dramatic changes resulting from elections are the rule, not the exception. The last two Congresses, compared to most of American history, are not typical.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46212215]of course you hate FDR[/QUOTE] Well he is an objectively scummy guy. Internment of thousands of japanese for years on no valid grounds, only to give them measly compensation when they got out? having a warning sent to Pearl Harbor by telegram instead of just calling them? Appointing a known KKK member to a position of power? you can't look me straight in the face and tell me that FDR was a good president
[QUOTE=Charades;46207181]Third parties are on the ballot, along with Independents. People just hardly ever vote for them because they lack financial backing for marketing and their candidates are typically lackluster. We have factions inside each of the two major parties and candidates prefer to align themselves rather than run as a third party or Independent.[/QUOTE] A failed system then. Financial backing should never be involved with democracy. The rich will always win.
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