• Monsanto leaves farmers ‘enslaved in a new kind of serfdom’
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[url]http://rt.com/op-edge/monsanto-eu-gmo-engdahl-491/[/url] [IMG]http://rt.com/files/opinionpost/1f/db/b0/00/000_par352751.si.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Monsanto will no longer be pursuing approval for the cultivation of new biotech crops in Europe but will instead focus on the import of existing crops. The easing of pressure is tactical, political analyst and author William Engdahl told RT. The world’s largest seed company has been on a losing streak, especially in India and the Philippines. At the end of last week, Monsanto said that it was due to widespread opposition that it dropped its bid to get more genetically modified crops onto the European market – despite using tricks attempting to secure necessary political backing for their success. [/QUOTE]
Time for Sobotnik!
I love how they made fun of them in the new futurama.
Whole Foods has given distributors five years [4 left now] to label all GMO products in their store. With Prop 7 in California, while failing, did raise awareness, and the Monsanto Protection Act [I think it's called that] being brought to the spotlight it's only a matter of time until proper labeling is put into law in North America. What they're probably going to do now is attempt to contaminate food in the EU, Denmark had to burn a few fields if I remember correctly. Once GMO foods contaminate a few fields it is hard to reverse the effects, but not impossible.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;41805726]Whole Foods has given distributors five years [4 left now] to label all GMO products in their store. With Prop 7 in California, while failing, did raise awareness, and the Monsanto Protection Act [I think it's called that] being brought to the spotlight it's only a matter of time until proper labeling is put into law in North America. What they're probably going to do now is attempt to contaminate food in the EU, Denmark had to burn a few fields if I remember correctly. Once GMO foods contaminate a few fields it is hard to reverse the effects, but not impossible.[/QUOTE] wow-wee, you're missing the point [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] i don't care if my food is GM, and neither should you. GM's are progress, it's monsanto's absolutely heinous monopolistic and worst of all government subsidized business model that you should take issue with
[QUOTE=Nitro-Trucker;41805521]I love how they made fun of them in the new futurama.[/QUOTE] What episode?
[QUOTE=Incoming.;41805726]Whole Foods has given distributors five years [4 left now] to[B] label all GMO products[/B] in their store. With Prop 7 in California, while failing, did raise awareness, and the Monsanto Protection Act [I think it's called that] being brought to the spotlight it's only a matter of time until [B]proper labeling is put into law in North America[/B]. What they're probably going to do now is attempt to [B]contaminate food in the EU[/B], Denmark had to burn a few fields if I remember correctly. Once [B]GMO foods contaminate [/B]a few fields it is hard to reverse the effects, but not impossible.[/QUOTE] Reading this gave me such a massive headache. No proof at all has been found to provide that GMO foods are inherently bad. Those which have lead people to starve to death with these scare-tactics (thanks, green peace) should have their leadership charged with crimes against humanity. Right with Monsanto's leading groups.
I'm all for GM food as long as it is properly tested, and labeling is offered as I would prefer to avoid it in general, but obviously with growing populations it is impossible not to find ways to increase production without using more land. Problem is Monsanto has bought governments out, the FDA does very little and almost ALL large food corporations funded millions against labels, political ads on the TV included. For me, when a company defends it's product so zealously, and when something as simple as labeling is prevented I get suspicious. Only when there's trustworthy studies done will I trust it, which is something that should be done anyway. tl;dr: Too much vagueness, suspicious companies. Prefer not to eat gmo for that reason
[QUOTE=Incoming.;41805891]I'm all for GM food as long as it is properly tested, and labeling is offered as I would prefer to avoid it in general, but obviously with growing populations it is impossible not to find ways to increase production without using more land. Problem is Monsanto has bought governments out, the FDA does very little and almost ALL large food [B]corporations funded millions against labels[/B], political ads on the TV included. For me, when a company defends it's product so zealously, and when something as simple as labeling is prevented I get suspicious. Only when there's trustworthy research done will I trust it, which is something that should be done anyway. tl;dr: Too much vagueness, suspicious companies. [B]Prefer not to eat gmo for that reason[/B][/QUOTE] Read the bolded parts, and put them together. Companies are afraid because even if their product isn't bad for the consumer, you've got yuppies who will decry it for simply being GMO. Having these GMO labels will financially ruin smaller GMO companies, and give more control to Monsanto.
A lot of people would be starving without genetically modified crops, but Monsanto's stranglehold and abuse of the environment is what makes them evil.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;41805891]I sense irony. I'm all for GM food as long as it is properly tested, and labeling is offered as I would prefer to avoid it in general, but obviously with growing populations it is impossible not to find ways to increase production without using more land. Problem is Monsanto has bought governments out, the FDA does very little and almost ALL large food corporations funded millions against labels, political ads on the TV included. For me, when a company defends it's product so zealously, and when something as simple as labeling is prevented I get suspicious. Only when there's trustworthy research done will I trust it, which is something that should be done anyway. tl;dr: Too much vagueness, suspicious companies. Prefer not to eat gmo for that reason[/QUOTE] The problem with labeling is that it's inherently negative, and paints something that is actually incredibly beneficial as something bad and dangerous for us. The masses who are not educated on the issue would simply assume that if the government forces them to put it on the label, it must be bad. Oh, and no one ever mentions that the ones funding the campaigns FOR labeling GMO foods. The organic food lobby spends millions attacking GMOs. The organic food industry is the fastest growing sector in the American food industry. It is a $30 billion dollar industry. Do you ever consider who is airing the ads on TV against GMOs? During California's Proposition 37 debate, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola]Joseph Mercola spent over a million dollars lobbying against GMOs.[/url] He is also against vaccinations and believes in the autism link which has been thoroughly debunked by modern medical science, as well as other health and food theories that have been scientifically proven to be false.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;41805891]I'm all for GM food as long as it is properly tested, and labeling is offered as I would prefer to avoid it in general, but obviously with growing populations it is impossible not to find ways to increase production without using more land. Problem is Monsanto has bought governments out, the FDA does very little and almost ALL large food corporations funded millions against labels, political ads on the TV included. For me, when a company defends it's product so zealously, and when something as simple as labeling is prevented I get suspicious. Only when there's trustworthy studies done will I trust it, which is something that should be done anyway. tl;dr: Too much vagueness, suspicious companies. Prefer not to eat gmo for that reason[/QUOTE] you and the new agers are the reason they have to be shady with labeling. fear mongering
[QUOTE=nomad1;41805816]What episode?[/QUOTE] the newest one.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41805912]Read the bolded parts, and put them together. Companies are afraid because even if their product isn't bad for the consumer, you've got yuppies who will decry it for simply being GMO. Having these GMO labels will financially ruin smaller GMO companies, and give more control to Monsanto.[/QUOTE] This would be less of a problem if concrete studies were done in the first place, back in the late 80's-90's. Labeling is less of a problem than the confusion - Right now I haven't seen any studies that say "This is safe, that doesn't matter" without being funded by the opposition, or those Pro GM. If someone knows of one I'd really like to read it. Even if that's the case I, as a consumer, would like to eat less pesticides and such. I buy organic when I can but I'm not starving myself because one of my favorite foods isn't GMO free of some crap like that, anyone that puts themselves through that is [I]nuts[/I] in my opinion. wait whats a new ager, never heard of that group before [if it's a group]
[QUOTE=Reds;41805480]Time for Sobotnik![/QUOTE] hi
[QUOTE=Nitro-Trucker;41805521]I love how they made fun of them in the new futurama.[/QUOTE] they made fun of them but they did recognize that GMO's are not evil by any account and genetic engineering can save billions and significantly help people. while i don't like monsanto's buisness model i do believe what they do is very important to our survival in the increasingly populated world facing more and more climate change and hardships also for anybody who doesn't know what monsanto's GMOs do, they actually encourage the use of less pesticides and herbacides. roundup compared to what it replaced, is much better for the enviroment and is much more effective.
I'd say GM's are more of an abused technology than anything, they have a great deal of potential, and can most certainly be safe, but I wish Monsanto wasn't such a bad image on the industry, I just find trouble trusting them for 90% of GM seeds.
I just want to know if my stuff was genetically modified, I know it's not inherently bad, but just knowing would help me sleep a little better. IMO, it's no different then labeling ingredients in food.
GMO's can be good, if they're not engineered only to reduce costs like what Monsanto does. I have no issues with adding more nutrients or making food safer or healthier, but the fact of the matter is that Monsanto does it as a primarily cost-cutting measure.
You mean they make food in great abundance... Which is a good thing.
The worst GMO's done so far is all in the legal territory. GMOs are by far the most reliable aspect of farming when compared to fertilizers and pesticides. Regardless, I recommend strict scrutiny of what foods you are eating despite all allegations of the safety of said food.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41805839]Reading this gave me such a massive headache. No proof at all has been found to provide that GMO foods are inherently bad. Those which have lead people to starve to death with these scare-tactics (thanks, green peace) should have their leadership charged with crimes against humanity. Right with Monsanto's leading groups.[/QUOTE] I still don't want to eat GMO if I can avoid it. EDIT: Monsanto's 'Fuck you and eat it' approach isn't making me feel better about GMO.
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;41811419]I still don't want to eat GMO if I can avoid it. EDIT: Monsanto's 'Fuck you and eat it' approach isn't making me feel better about GMO.[/QUOTE] Exactly why labeling would hurt Monsanto, people who want to avoid their food will have a much easier time doing so, and Monsanto's bad PR will bite back. This is also why big food corporations want to prevent it, as well. Less profit margins to make GMO free food, and if labeling is introduced it will also be easier to link GM's with any possible reaction.
Monsanto, huh? Even the name sounds like a villainous megacorp from Deus Ex or something.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;41811713]Monsanto, huh? Even the name sounds like a villainous megacorp from Deus Ex or something.[/QUOTE] Well it pretty much is.
I'd be very happy if the FDA decided to label GMO foods, even though they're a big company, I really hope some time soon they'd go bankrupt because now they're just adding crap to the food and selling it off with no checks of potential danger, like BVO, they just let it pass through and it's a wonder why we have a huge obesity rate. My family has been a victim of this, and now we are buying more organic foods with a small amount of ingredients as possible.
[QUOTE=lolo;41812487]I'd be very happy if the FDA decided to label GMO foods, even though they're a big company, I really hope some time soon they'd go bankrupt because now they're just adding crap to the food and selling it off with no checks of potential danger, like BVO, they just let it pass through and it's a wonder why we have a huge obesity rate. My family has been a victim of this, and now we are buying more organic foods with a small amount of ingredients as possible.[/QUOTE] Looks like the organic lobby is succesful
the issue with genetically modified crops is that the effective monopoly that monsanto has over it is partially due to the regulations that go into producing genetically-modified crop organisms. the initial cost of entry is too high for anyone else to effectively compete. i think that the best way to solve this problem is to re-assess our approach towards the regulation of the production of GMO crops; i'm not going to say more regulation or less regulation, because it's a complicated issue that requires more in some areas and less in others. scaling back monsanto's subsidies and further independent research on genetic modifications are two steps that we could take, i'm sure there's some way to incentivise certain regulations to open up competition, too. but some of the problems are also systemic. weeding out corruption in the FDA will go a long way towards remedying controversies like this in the future. keep in mind, i'm not against GMOs, but further research should be done to calm public fears - the problem with the labeling issue is that retailers would take a massive hit from something like this, because the public is obviously not very well-educated on genetic modifications (myself included) and are taught to be afraid of anything that they don't know much about. i'm more concerned about monsanto's shitty business practices than anything else, but allowing for more competition in the GMO crop field could help remedy those problems.
I don't care for GMO's as long as they're properly labelled. Monsanto can rot in hell.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YCE3tle.png[/IMG] As much as I hate the Monsanto crowd, I'm not sure I want to really be acquaintances with its prime opposition. (by the way, this was a review for Ruby's Diner, a 50's-themed chain mostly in California, so naturally you shouldn't expect the healthiest of fares)
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