Valve pulls "Kill the Faggot" from Steam Greenlight - Polidicks

[QUOTE=UnknownDude;47657920]I don't have a problem with stupidly offensive games on Steam. I do have a problem with shitty flash games though.[/QUOTE] I can kinda see the shock humor value it in, but anyone who's targeted in the game probably doesn't appreciate it at all.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47657124]If this is pulled, Hatred should be pulled as well. This is obviously a crap, joke game, Hatred actually seems to take itself half-way serious.[/QUOTE] Hatred doesn't discriminate.

You know they could have been "smart" about it. Like for example give the Shooter a Mingun and write #GG - GamerGatling on it or have a meter fill up for a Super Power "Bomb Threat" or something like that. Of course then it would have to include Feminists in it's variety of targets aswell. You know just do something with it instead of only being homophobic and stupid. But this product how it is right now is absolutely nothing but rubbish and useless hate-speech. I couldn't even defend it if I wanted to. EDIT: Yes I know that GamerGate is NOT about killing homosexuals... It's part of the (apparently bad) joke.

I think everyone is taking this thing a bit too seriously in an attempt to show off their moral high horse. Like Jim Sterling. Obviously this game is meant to stir up controversy and he immediately cowers at the thought of saying the word "Faggot" because somehow saying the title of the game in question is such a sin that his pure soul can't take. I'm sure he wouldn't be able to read the slurs in to Kill a mockingbird lest his heart stop from the trauma. Just say it straight. The game exists to start up controversy and that's exactly what it did.

people call this a game? lmao if you actually think they would have just let it stay on steam you are dumb if you think this should have stayed on steam, then shame on you

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;47658366]Hatred doesn't discriminate.[/QUOTE] The main character is not a sociopath, he's a psychopath and he's not a serial killer either because his MO is kill everything no matter what. There's not pattern, there's not core behavior and there's no specific target.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47658339]please give a detailed explanation as to why???[/QUOTE] I think he means it looks like the kind of fake game you'd see in GTA or an episode of South Park. Like that game Righteous Slaughter in GTAV.

[QUOTE=Skyward;47658414]I think he means it looks like the kind of fake game you'd see in GTA or an episode of South Park. Like that game Righteous Slaughter in GTAV.[/QUOTE] even then even THOSE have better taste the games in gta/SP are purely meant to make fun of games in real life not that you said they were similar of course

[QUOTE=J!NX;47658422]even then even THOSE have better taste the games in gta/SP are purely meant to make fun of games in real life not that you said they were similar of course[/QUOTE] Maybe this game has a deep meta that makes fun of people for taking it too seriously

I honestly wanted to see Valve take this as a precedent for having ACTUAL QA but I guess it's just easier to delete it and pretend they are paying attention.

[QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;47658394]You know they could have been "smart" about it. Like for example give the Shooter a Mingun and write #GG - GamerGatling on it or have a meter fill up for a Super Power "Bomb Threat" or something like that. Of course then it would have to include Feminists in it's variety of targets aswell. You know just do something with it instead of only being homophobic and stupid. But this product how it is right now is absolutely nothing but rubbish and useless hate-speech. I couldn't even defend it if I wanted to.[/QUOTE] I forgot that GamerGate [i] is all about hating everyone and not corruption in journalism[/i]

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;47658498]I forgot that GamerGate [i] is all about hating everyone and not corruption in journalism[/i][/QUOTE] You know that's kinda part of the joke... Just wanted to say they could have been more creative at disguising their homophobia. They're not even trying.

[QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;47658518]You know that's kinda part of the joke... Just wanted to say they could have been more creative at disguising their homophobia. They're not even trying.[/QUOTE] Yeah I too think they should try disguising their homophobia in a game called "Kill the Faggot"

[QUOTE=pebkac;47657870]Why should there be any sort of quality control for something that isn't even being sold yet? Isn't that the whole purpose of greenlight, filtering the piles of shit and picking out the good stuff before it actually goes on sale?[/QUOTE] you shouldn't have something that's blatant hate speech on a platform you run in the first place.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47658422]even then even THOSE have better taste the games in gta/SP are purely meant to make fun of games in real life not that you said they were similar of course[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure this game, in-part, was to stir this kind of reaction in addition to be a critique of Steam's Greenlight system. Like, you're not saying anything new here again and this is really something silly to get upset over. Like, this is pretty much the same as this game: [video=youtube;7aiANL8m8LY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aiANL8m8LY[/video] [editline]4th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;47658687]you shouldn't have something that's blatant hate speech on a platform you run in the first place.[/QUOTE] I know "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!" is a really easy argument to fall back on, but when you start deciding what SHOULD and SHOULDN'T be a thing for art and expression then you are entering some really, really dangerous territory.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47657124]If this is pulled, Hatred should be pulled as well. This is obviously a crap, joke game, Hatred actually seems to take itself half-way serious.[/QUOTE] From what I know, hatred is just kill everything in sight, as long as you can until you yourself are put down. If it were something specific like to where you were to only kill blacks or something, then yeah, I could see.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;47658740] I know "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!" is a really easy argument to fall back on, but when you start deciding what SHOULD and SHOULDN'T be a thing for art and expression then you are entering some really, really dangerous territory.[/QUOTE] i'm perfectly OK with games pushing subject matter that might be controversial / offend people but a game literally called "KILL THE FAGGOT" is not something that should be allowed on the market. hate speech is not something covered by freedom of speech

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;47658794]i'm perfectly OK with games pushing subject matter that might be controversial / offend people but a game literally called "KILL THE FAGGOT" is not something that should be allowed on the market. hate speech is not something covered by freedom of speech[/QUOTE] It's more of a spirit of the term freedom of speech instead of the legality of it, but I agree. This game was never meant to be sold and I think that was obviously part of the joke. It doesn't say much, but it's an easy attack on the way Valve conducts its peer-reviewed business and so you can of course expect this sort of thing - but there's no point in getting upset over it or even trying to make it out to be more than what it is.

This is very clearly a satirical troll game that was made in 2 hours.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;47658794]i'm perfectly OK with games pushing subject matter that might be controversial / offend people but a game literally called "KILL THE FAGGOT" is not something that should be allowed on the market. hate speech is not something covered by freedom of speech[/QUOTE] I really dont think legally this would fall under hate speech, thus protecting it. Because of the 1st amendment existing it takes a bit until something turns into hate speech. I mean, if things like stormfront or /pol/ are allowed to exist and isnt getting in trouble for hate speech, seems like it takes quite a bit to get their. If westbaro baptist church pickets are legal then god damn, now im actually curious what legally gets you in trouble for hate speech. Now while I agree with you, that this isnt the type of game I would want on Steam, and if I was a digital distribution owner I sure as hell wouldnt on my site. That said, I dont think something like that shouldnt be allowed to be sold. Im more in let those people be judged off their merits and creations and instead wanting to make it so such things cant exist or be allowed to be sold. With that said, just how I think this should be allowed to be sold on a market, the people who controls said markets have just as much right to not allow it. Mostly because I really do agree that the slippery slope which is usually a fallacy, applies to the 1st amendment. All in all, this was a horrible, trashy, and lazy attempt at one of those games trying to make a statement. Its worthless, and in a week or two no one will be talking about it unless Polygon and Kotaku cant keep it in their pants and need to make 20 articles about it, only giving the creator more of what they want. If someone wanted to make a statement using this type of shit then it probably should have been more along the lines of "Your in a world where homosexuals/transvestites are free game and are killed on the streets with no punishment... And its up to you to change that!" Then you could still have that offensive aspect of people getting killed over their sexuality, maybe explore the themes a bit of why, and you the player still get access to all that BUT get to try and stop it. I dunno, sorry if this sounds really offensive/tasteless but I dont see many ways to NOT make something like this sound that way lol. I would really love a game trying to pull this type of thing(as in a statement on how far the line can go) but done in an actual smart, mature, and well made way, more akin to Postal 1(I really dont think hatred is making any sort of real statement on pushing boundries like postal 1 did)

According to [url=http://skaldicgames.com/statement.html]the dev's statement[/url], this is an intentionally offensive game made to 'satirise' how easily people get offended by things, but also as part of a different game; ie it's on the same vein as Republican Space Rangers or something in GTA. [editline]4th May 2015[/editline] [quote]The reason behind this particular game is because of how tired I am of people being overly sensitive and how easily offended people are by every little thing, especially with LGBT issues. I have worked in the game industry since 2007, so I know that's how the game industry pretty much is. I didn't make this game to attack LGBT people personally, but I made this game just to piss off those people that are way too sensitive, which includes straight people.[/quote]

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;47658366]Hatred doesn't discriminate.[/QUOTE] I don't really see how that makes much of a difference. Killing people vs killing a specific kind of people? If anything it reduces the amount of potential victims. Applying real life moral logic to fictional media is only going to net ridiculous statements. If you don't have a problem with video game murder why would you be bothered with other, equally morally fucked up shit being depicted in fiction? This isn't the same thing as news media presenting hateful rhetoric as facts, or activist groups stating bigoted shit. You can call this game bad, tasteless, insensitive, offensive, but to label it as hate speech misses the point of fiction in the first place. Events that take place in it don't necessarily correspond with the author's opinion.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47659167]According to [url=http://skaldicgames.com/statement.html]the dev's statement[/url], this is an intentionally offensive game made to 'satirise' how easily people get offended by things, but also as part of a different game; ie it's on the same vein as Republican Space Rangers or something in GTA. [editline]4th May 2015[/editline][/QUOTE] Wow he sure rused us good nobody would have taken this to be satire!

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47659167]According to [url=http://skaldicgames.com/statement.html]the dev's statement[/url], this is an intentionally offensive game made to 'satirise' how easily people get offended by things, but also as part of a different game; ie it's on the same vein as Republican Space Rangers or something in GTA. [editline]4th May 2015[/editline][/QUOTE] Poe's Law right in the face. [editline]4th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Th3applek1d;47657070]Who the hell allowed it to be greenlit at all? I suppose valve will still catch shit for doing this though.[/QUOTE] Having things on Greenlight doesn't mean it was also greenlit.

The more I think about the devs response, the more stupid it is, they made a deliberately incredibly offensive game to laugh at the fact that people then got offended? It's basically 'Joke's on you, I was only pretending to be massively bigoted!'

[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47659238]The more I think about the devs response, the more stupid it is, they made a deliberately incredibly offensive game to laugh at the fact that people then got offended? It's basically 'Joke's on you, I was only pretending to be massively bigoted!'[/QUOTE] The game is trying to offend people, that's the point. Why it passed Greenlight is beyond me but his mission was successful as you can plainly see from this thread.

[QUOTE=dedo678;47659304]The game is trying to offend people, that's the point. Why it passed Greenlight is beyond me but his mission was successful as you can plainly see from this thread.[/QUOTE] It never passed greenlight. It was only put up to vote on which anyone can do.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;47659308]It never passed greenlight. It was only put up to vote on which anyone can do.[/QUOTE] Whoops, my bad.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;47658687]you shouldn't have something that's blatant hate speech on a platform you run in the first place.[/QUOTE] That's why you have an option to report it so they can take it down. Should they start approving every single comment and review in the steam community pages before they get shown as well? That's the only way they can be absolutely sure that there's no hate speech on their platform. I think it's unreasonable to expect this level of preemptive action when greenlight is meant to be a community driven thing. [QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;47658794]i'm perfectly OK with games pushing subject matter that might be controversial / offend people but a game literally called "KILL THE FAGGOT" is not something that should be allowed on the market. [/QUOTE] Exactly. It is in fact not allowed on the market, it only got posted on greenlight and then got taken down pretty quickly. I really don't see an issue here.

"People get angry at things that are mean. What a surprise! We should make a game that challenges this notion."