[QUOTE=Mooe94;40084480]I just thought it was really unnecessary to say something like that. How the hell is thinking that you might get raped on a public bus 22:30 on a Friday night common sense? I don't think she was consciously looking for trouble or anything.
And perhaps she wasn't even aware that, for some reason, buses don't record stuff on the upper deck, or that it is supposedly generally accepted that Glasgow public buses are horrible?[/QUOTE]
It's generally accepted in general that public transport late at night isn't the safest thing in the world, especially if you're a young woman seperating yourself from your friends for whatever reason.
And as BadHand said, Glasgow has a reputation, a deserved one, as characterised by the non-reaction by any of the people on that bus.
And no, I'm not justifying the rape, at no point did I say that, in fact, I even pointed out that someone would say that despite that not being what I said.
Pointing out that she made a mistake (As dictated by common sense on busses - Which is, late at night, don't seperate from friends and on quiet busses sit near the driver) is not the same as going "She deserved that" - it says something about YOU that you equate the two statements.
How can rape happen in public like that? Were there no other passengers, did they even give a damn? What about the driver?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40084515]How can rape happen in public like that? Were there no other passengers, did they even give a damn? What about the driver?[/QUOTE]
She went upstairs, which was relatively quiet, probably just her two attackers, and as explained, the cameras on them aren't great. They're just for deterrence. They may be why they have details of her attackers though, in which case they weren't a total loss.
[QUOTE=HighestChief;40084089]The big picture is, some people just realize why not do something when the worst thing that could happen is death. And if it's gonna happen anyways, why fucking not rape, kill, provide, nurture, survive etc...[/QUOTE]
a revolutionary post
[QUOTE=Craigewan;40083861]Yeah, the girl did something pretty idiotic though - You do not go upstairs alone on a late night bus if you're a woman.
I am not saying "She deserved it" before anyone tries to spin it that way, I'm saying use some common sense - Yeah, she shouldn't have to worry about that and it's horrible that in our society she has to, but whilst she does, you think about these things. Safety 101.
Hope they catch the bastards and they get a proper sentence for this (Read: Life)[/QUOTE]
Are you crippled? It's a fucking bus in Glasgow, not a fucking back alley in Baghdad.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40084610]Are you crippled? It's a fucking bus in Glasgow, not a fucking back alley in Baghdad.[/QUOTE]
Ever been to Glasgow?
[QUOTE=archangel125;40084625]Ever been to Glasgow?[/QUOTE]
Aye mate, I fucking live there.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40084640]Aye mate, I fucking live there.[/QUOTE]
Well, I feel stupid now.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;40083937]uh
I'm not from around there but is the top layer always considered the equivalent of a back alley or something[/QUOTE]
I've been upstairs on a doubledecker late at night. They fit the back alley description pretty well. It's dark, lonely, smelly and very little security.
[QUOTE=CatFodder;40084440]What the hell are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the animalistic qualities of humans combined with free will. You can do what you want no matter what and if you get over the consequence of death, anything is possible, positive or negative.
Why would you rate this article funny
[QUOTE=HighestChief;40084089]The big picture is, some people just realize why not do something when the worst thing that could happen is death. And if it's gonna happen anyways, why fucking not rape, kill, provide, nurture, survive etc...[/QUOTE]
What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Aboose;40084711]What the fuck?[/QUOTE]
Already covered that mate
[QUOTE=HighestChief;40084089]The big picture is, some people just realize why not do something when the worst thing that could happen is death. And if it's gonna happen anyways, why fucking not rape, kill, provide, nurture, survive etc...[/QUOTE]
There is a chemical imbalance in your brain if you think "ehh, why not?" is a valid reason for rape/murder. In fact, if you think any reasons is a valid reason, you're incorrect.
[QUOTE=HighestChief;40084682]I'm talking about the animalistic qualities of humans combined with free will. You can do what you want no matter what and if you get over the consequence of death, anything is possible, positive or negative.[/QUOTE]
Except that society isn't animalistic. Sure, toss a bunch of humans in a desert arena with two animals and a few coconuts and you'll see animalistic traits emerge in order to boost survival, but when you have a developed society those traits are unnecessary and archaic and disgusting. One of society's greatest abilities is to punish people who hurt others. Because hurting others is almost universally seen as a negative thing to do. Sure, humans can do it, but it's sort of a dickish thing to do and pretty much everybody but you seems to recognize that.
I don't even know what point you're trying to discuss. Sure, rape somebody, get thrown in prison - now you sort of can't do what you want no matter what. You're a little bit too optimistic of a single human's ability to be a complete dickhead when compared to an entire society. And you're talking to a Buddhist who doesn't even believe that death is a consequence.
This has nothing to do with the topic anyways. The topic is a girl was raped on a public bus. This should never have happened, and it shouldn't be even remotely possible. Anyone saying that the girl should have known better than to go upstairs on a public transport is just avoiding the blatant fact that [I]this should never have happened.[/I]
I thought they closed the little door at the bottom of the stairs late at night anyway?
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;40084794]There is a chemical imbalance in your brain if you think "ehh, why not?" is a valid reason for rape/murder. In fact, if you think any reasons is a valid reason, you're incorrect.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's acceptable in anyway. From someone who doesn't believe in a good or wrong, its okay to do anything. Which is why I noted "provide, nurture, survive" to the list of things.
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;40084811]Except that society isn't animalistic. Sure, toss a bunch of humans in a desert arena with two animals and a few coconuts and you'll see animalistic traits emerge in order to boost survival, but when you have a developed society those traits are unnecessary and archaic and disgusting. One of society's greatest abilities is to punish people who hurt others. Because hurting others is almost universally seen as a negative thing to do. Sure, humans can do it, but it's sort of a dickish thing to do and pretty much everybody but you seems to recognize that.
I don't even know what point you're trying to discuss. Sure, rape somebody, get thrown in prison - now you sort of can't do what you want no matter what. You're a little bit too optimistic of a single human's ability to be a complete dickhead when compared to an entire society. And you're talking to a Buddhist who doesn't even believe that death is a consequence.
This has nothing to do with the topic anyways. The topic is a girl was raped on a public bus. This should never have happened, and it shouldn't be even remotely possible. Anyone saying that the girl should have known better than to go upstairs on a public transport is just avoiding the blatant fact that [I]this should never have happened.[/I][/QUOTE]
Please share on why you as a Buddhist believe that death is not a consequence. Or would that take years of studying Buddhist text?
I think, any time there's a rape, the people involved should come forward.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40084610]Are you crippled? It's a fucking bus in Glasgow, not a fucking back alley in Baghdad.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know.
I used to live there and have family there. Your point?
Same reason you don't go in back alleys at night, you don't go on the top floor of a bus at night with strangers - doesn't matter where the fuck you are, it's common sense, because just maybe someone on the bus will be a rapist. I mean, that's up there with "Don't leave your drink unattended in a club".
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[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;40084913]I think, any time there's a rape, the people involved should come forward.[/QUOTE]
If they were of a mind to do that, they probably wouldn't be rapists.
[QUOTE=HighestChief;40084089]The big picture is, some people just realize why not do something when the worst thing that could happen is death. And if it's gonna happen anyways, why fucking not rape, kill, provide, nurture, survive etc...
[highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("terrible human being" - daijitsu))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
remember boys and girls
don't be a dimwit
[QUOTE=Craigewan;40084937]Yeah, I know.
I used to live there and have family there. Your point?
Same reason you don't go in back alleys at night, you don't go on the top floor of a bus at night with strangers - doesn't matter where the fuck you are, it's common sense, because just maybe someone on the bus will be a rapist.
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If they were of a mind to do that, they probably wouldn't be rapists.[/QUOTE]
I can't agree with this. It's a BUS. Back alleys might make more sense, because they're notoriously shady. "Maybe someone on the bus will be a rapist" is no excuse. Maybe someone at your workplace will be a rapist, you shouldn't go there, common sense. Maybe someone at that restaurant will be a rapist. What about your plane? Just common sense!
It's backwards to insist that women have to be careful in a public environment in order to avoid rape. You should have no worries going onto public buses at night. It's like insisting that men should be very cautious when heading upstairs on a bus, just in case there's somebody waiting to pick a fight. You shouldn't have to expect that.
She was probably piss ass drunk, this is glasgow after all.
Not that that justifies anything of course.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;40084991]I can't agree with this. It's a BUS. Back alleys might make more sense, because they're notoriously shady. "Maybe someone on the bus will be a rapist" is no excuse. Maybe someone at your workplace will be a rapist, you shouldn't go there, common sense. Maybe someone at that restaurant will be a rapist. What about your plane? Just common sense!
It's backwards to insist that women have to be careful in a public environment in order to avoid rape. You should have no worries going onto public buses at night. It's like insisting that men should be very cautious when heading upstairs on a bus, just in case there's somebody waiting to pick a fight. You shouldn't have to expect that.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I would argue that too - again, common sense, on a late bus - don't isolate yourself, stay near the driver. If some drunk cunt decides to pick a fight, at least you're near the driver so the incident can be resolved before it hopefully gets out of hand. Top decks of busses late at night are notoriously shady. I say this as someone who uses busses all the fucking time, especially coming back from work late at night. If there isn't a lot of people on that top deck, I will not go anywhere near it, because the few people up there are likely to be the drunk asshole skeevy punks who will try something and like moths to a candle are drawn to the bit the farthest from "authority" on the bus that they can be.
Right, so it's backward to say "Don't leave your drink unattended in a club", then? Because that's considered common fucking sense too. Because just maybe something will happen to it - odds are that it won't, but if it does?
[QUOTE=Craigewan;40083861]Yeah, the girl did something pretty idiotic though - You do not go upstairs alone on a late night bus if you're a woman.
I am not saying "She deserved it" before anyone tries to spin it that way, I'm saying use some common sense - Yeah, she shouldn't have to worry about that and it's horrible that in our society she has to, but whilst she does, you think about these things. Safety 101.
Hope they catch the bastards and they get a proper sentence for this (Read: Life)[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're totally right, I never go on the top deck alone because it's just common sense that I'm going to be sexually abused on a public vehicle.
I mean that's just [I]so[/I] obvious isn't it.
twat
glasgow
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;40085118]Yeah you're totally right, I never go on the top deck alone because it's just common sense that I'm going to be sexually abused on a public vehicle.
I mean that's just [I]so[/I] obvious isn't it.
twat[/QUOTE]
Considering the amount of stabbings, fights and yeah, sexual assaults that I've heard about occurring on top decks of late busses, yeah, it should be. Hell, I've been on busses where somebody got mugged on the top deck.
The "late" part is the critical part.
And again, it's common sense, on a night out you don't seperate from the people you know.
Jesus christ it's like you people have never heard the phrase "Better Safe Than Sorry".
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;40085118]Yeah you're totally right, I never go on the top deck alone because it's just common sense that I'm going to be sexually abused on a public vehicle.
I mean that's just [I]so[/I] obvious isn't it.
twat[/QUOTE]
Hell, even I wouldn't go on the top deck of a [B]glasgow[/B] bus at [B]half ten at night[/B] on a [B]friday[/B].
Buses in Plymouth have 2 (sometimes 3) cameras on each deck to remove blind spots.
I've been on the upper floor of a bus quite late at night every week for 2 years now and nothing has ever been out of the ordinary.
Glasgow should do this too.
why can't we just ban rapists from buses and stop all this?
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