UK MPs to hold debate on leaving the EU - Polidicks

Good, if this goes ahead the country will finally be able to get back on track with fixing itself.

I think one of the reasons for this is David Cameron never really liked Europe's rules. He wanted to take voting rights from prisoners but wasn't allowed, and we're constantly being fined by the European Court of Human Rights for deporting asylum seekers and not allowing religious extremists from Europe in (breach of the right 'freedom of movement'). He also wanted to tackle immigrated from Europe but wasn't allowed to cap it, and wanted worse punishments for the rioters but the EU Court of Human Rights wouldn't allow it either.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;32843511]I don't know what the EU does for us, someone must enlighten me, until then I don't know what to do.[/QUOTE] The EU is a money guzzling black hole, instated to supposedly form a unity between the participating countries, but in reality the countries are still as divided as ever, and money is just wasted while countries bitchfight over laws and who should pay more or less money. The EU and the Euro were both terrible ideas forced upon the people while we were all riding high on the financial bubble. Now because of the crisis, all the faults and shortcomings of the system are becoming apparent, and it's becoming more and more difficult to defend the system that has cost the average European so much already, and is going to cost even more. Allowing Greece into the EU was like giving your credit card to your shopping addicted sixteen year old daughter.

They must have taken a leaf from UKIP's book...

[QUOTE=matt.ant;32843689]I think one of the reasons for this is David Cameron never really liked Europe's rules. He wanted to take voting rights from prisoners but wasn't allowed, and we're constantly being fined by the European Court of Human Rights for deporting asylum seekers and not allowing religious extremists from Europe in (breach of the right 'freedom of movement'). He also wanted to tackle immigrated from Europe but wasn't allowed to cap it, and wanted worse punishments for the rioters but the EU Court of Human Rights wouldn't allow it either.[/QUOTE] So basically everything...that is actually a good thing?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;32843511]I don't know what the EU does for us, someone must enlighten me, until then I don't know what to do.[/QUOTE] Providing Britain with pretty much all of its trade. The Mail and the Express will never print that simple and obvious fact in a million years!

[QUOTE=-AJ-;32843705]They must have taken a leaf from UKIP's book...[/QUOTE] What will happen to UKIP if this goes through? leaving the EU was the only thing they had going for them

Can someone please post the original reason why the UK joined in the first place. That should enlighten some people.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;32843455]He has refused calls for an in/out referendum but it has been a popular idea [i]among Tory backbenchers[/i].[/QUOTE] To me at least, the backbenchers here are largely bigotted people, but think UKIP is too common for them.

[QUOTE=Stockers678;32843727]Providing Britain with pretty much all of its trade. The Mail and the Express will never print that simple and obvious fact in a million years![/QUOTE] I must admit I'm rather ignorant on this topic, but Norway is a pretty well off European country despite being outside of the EU

[QUOTE=Vasili;32843664]Because there are a few selected fuck wits who don't know geography. I have only known a few people to actually say that kind of rubbish and they were uneducated chavs who would ban immigrants and vote BNP.[/QUOTE] ok so some guy says he calls himself British and not European automatically means he's a racist chav, good deduction work there asshat.

[QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;32843775]I must admit I'm rather ignorant on this topic, but Norway is a pretty well off European country despite being outside of the EU[/QUOTE] Because Norway has natural resources the EU needs. England for all intents and purposes, is pretty tapped out.

Obviously the economy is pretty shit. It's not the euro, it's the country. Poland has the euro and fares really well under this economy. I must say i feel something for the EU as a whole as my country was involved in the making of it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Six[/url] EU are bros man. If they need my money, they can have it. If they are a whiny bitch about losing money on bros, then leave after paying what you promised to pay for. The top countries in the EU need to suck it up, especially right now. Imo.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;32843511]I don't know what the EU does for us, someone must enlighten me, until then I don't know what to do.[/QUOTE] Well, it prevented ACTA. At least for a while.

Do it.

Just out of curiostity : Vote agree if you like both the EU and the Euro, Vote disagree if you don't like the EU and the Euro, Vote funny if you like the EU but not the Euro Vote winner if you like the Euro but not the EU.

Don't do it. The trade agreements we get from the EU are pretty fucking good. Sure our current returns for the investment aren't great, but they could pay off and be useful sme time. Also, EU customer laws and the free travel is incredibly useful. I like not having to file for a visa every time that I want to go to France or Ireland. The euro would have been great to get into if we had done it when it was instated, but that might have been something that paid off not to do. Good concept, at least.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;32843511]I don't know what the EU does for us, someone must enlighten me, until then I don't know what to do.[/QUOTE] Consumer safety, interEU trading, standards consolidation, corporation limitation, civil rights strenghtening, strenghtens european international presence. Comes from the top of my head. As it goes, the EU essentially strenghtens the position of the population but limits the position of corporations and states. Though most people tend to focus on the limitations as opposed to the benefits for the people.

[QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;32843775]I must admit I'm rather ignorant on this topic, but Norway is a pretty well off European country despite being outside of the EU[/QUOTE] France, Germany, the UK, Italy, Spain, The Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, Sweden have a higher GDP than Norway and are in the EU, so go figure.

[QUOTE=Swilly;32843743]Can someone please post the original reason why the UK joined in the first place. That should enlighten some people.[/QUOTE] Well here in Denmark it was mainly the farmers and fishers who voted for it, as they would get extra money out of it. But later on the EU introduced some restrictions to prevent overfishing, and that pissed off the fishers. And then they made some restrictions on the pesticides and other things related to farming, thus pissing off the farmers as well. And now they've turned all turncoat on the EU because of that. In short, they were shortsighted and stupid for believing it couldn't bite them in their asses. That said, I have nothing against the concept of the EU itself, but HOLY SHIT they need to get their shit together. Especially the whole [I]"Rewarding Greece for the massive fuck-up"[/I] thing.

If they leave I officially hate the Tories.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32843868]Don't do it. The trade agreements we get from the EU are pretty fucking good. Sure our current returns for the investment aren't great, but they could pay off and be useful sme time. Also, EU customer laws and the free travel is incredibly useful. I like not having to file for a visa every time that I want to go to France or Ireland. The euro would have been great to get into if we had done it when it was instated, but that might have been something that paid off not to do. Good concept, at least.[/QUOTE] Saying it might be good one day is a bad argument. Plus the Euro is a stupid idea, having one currency dependant on many different countries and cultures, I'm really glad we didn't go there. Even when it was instated it was shit, people were getting ripped off on the price exchange between the old currencies

There's an article here from 2007 about how Britain would be if we never joined [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-426827/What-Britain-HADNT-joined-EU.html[/url] I know it's the daily mail but still

[QUOTE=sami-elite;32843803]Obviously the economy is pretty shit. It's not the euro, it's the country. Poland has the euro and fares really well under this economy. I must say i feel something for the EU as a whole as my country was involved in the making of it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Six[/url] EU are bros man. If they need my money, they can have it. If they are a whiny bitch about losing money on bros, then leave after paying what you promised to pay for. The top countries in the EU need to suck it up, especially right now. Imo.[/QUOTE] Surely you cannot agree with the billions of Euros being shipped off to Greece. The EU is basically awarding Greece for being corrupted to the bone, spending all their money on bitches and hoes and hiding the receipts for years. You. Yes, [i]you[/i], worked your ass off so Oupi Poupilopilos can sip cocktails on the beach. If that doesn't piss you off, you are a moron and deserve to be sucked dry of every cent you own.

[QUOTE=Vasili;32843622]If you are uneducated in geography then yeah.[/QUOTE] There is a difference between being geographicly in Europe (which we are) and not being "European". I personally disagree with the feeling that people in the UK are not "European", we are IMO just as "European" as someone from any of the other countries in Europe. As for the actual topic, personally I think the UK should stay in the EU. It benefits us way more than most people (who are usually against it) realise. I would rather just have the many misconceptions about Europe cleared up instead of leaving it.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32843905]If they leave I officially hate the Tories.[/QUOTE] I can't see why only this would make you hate the Tories.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32843868]Don't do it. The trade agreements we get from the EU are pretty fucking good. Sure our current returns for the investment aren't great, but they could pay off and be useful sme time. Also, EU customer laws and the free travel is incredibly useful. I like not having to file for a visa every time that I want to go to France or Ireland. The euro would have been great to get into if we had done it when it was instated, but that might have been something that paid off not to do. Good concept, at least.[/QUOTE] They also put in the European bill of human rights which prevents our government from fucking us over.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32843868] The euro would have been great to get into if we had done it when it was instated, but that might have been something that paid off not to do. Good concept, at least.[/QUOTE] The Euro is stupid, unless all of the Eurozone countries have the exact same fiscal policy it can't work. One fucked economy could easily bring down the economy in many other countries.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32843905]If they leave I officially hate the Tories.[/QUOTE] It isn't necessary for them to decide to leave the EU for me to hate them.

[QUOTE=markg06;32843948]I can't see why only this would make you hate the Tories.[/QUOTE] I mean really fucking hate them, I've hated them ever since they came into power but this would just be the icing on the hate cake.