UK MPs to hold debate on leaving the EU - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ancient;32844537]I can think of only one benefit of leaving the EU: [b]We'd be kicked out of Eurovision.[/b] With the Bloc Voting and all the Eastern European countries voting for each other every year, I don't really think we'd miss it.[/QUOTE] Israel's in Eurovision. WE WILL NEVER BE FREE [editline]18th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AceOfDivine;32846278]Since when should deporting criminals be legal?[/QUOTE] Since when should foreign criminals be our problem?

EU is pretty much the last thing that can keep Europe on the ball. Sure, many things are misimplemented, and it needs quite some work, but if it falls apart, it will hurt everyone, if anything. [editline]18th October 2011[/editline] In unity is power. What we need is slapping countries like Greece into shape or drop them. Greece shouldn't have ever been accepted, in the first place. They were accepted before the rules for accepting new countries have been set up. Greece apparently doesn't even have a fucking real estate registry. Like, not at all.

EU should only be a free trade thing, nothing to do with politics at all in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Ihazard;32846844]Because they're not foreign? Which is what I'm talking about.. and I was talking about criminals too. Illegal immigrants and foreign nationals committing crimes in this country and then not being deported because they claim certain breaches of human rights, which is always bullshit.[/QUOTE]Except they are not illegal immigrants.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;32844586]The EU membership of our country is technically treasonous, it should be interesting to see what happens as a result of this referendum regardless [url]http://www.acasefortreason.org.uk/[/url][/QUOTE] Oh gods listening to the guy hurts my brain. The parliament cannot enact the will of the people, even though they are the elected officials of the people elected in order to enact the will of the people. On top of that he seems utterly unable to make a point. [QUOTE=Ihazard;32846844]Because they're not foreign? Which is what I'm talking about.. and I was talking about criminals too. Illegal immigrants and foreign nationals committing crimes in this country and then not being deported because they claim certain breaches of human rights, which is always bullshit.[/QUOTE] Like I've said - it seems only the UK has these problems, which makes me think that it's something to do with internal UK legislation as opposed to EU. The only cases of deportation and courts arguing against this that were done in favour of the deportee had to with issues that a) the police ordered the deportation (they do not have the right to do this, as this falls to internal courts) b) the person was deported for an act that is not illegal under the legislation (prostitution being an example, not having work and similar) c) the person was deported for a transgression that clearly does not warrant deportation (speeding and similar petty things) There might be some cases were the person was not deported even for something serious, but I don't recall anything similar to this in front of Euro courts.

i have no strong feelings one way or the other

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;32847050]Except they are not illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] But people from outside the EU can only live here under certain conditions, it's a very small country with a lot of people so we have to do this. If you're here to study at a university then we give you an Education visa, which means you can stay until you're course ends, then you go home. If you break the law and go to jail, then you aren't studying, so I don't see what's wrong with ending your visa and sending you back?

[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;32847016]It mainly would have some effects in your part of Europe. The west has so much to gain from just leaving. Also. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrY_y4VjjcI[/media][/QUOTE] In short term, yes. In long term, they can gain resources from east, which they simply wouldn't have otherwise. Also, count with better education accross europe. [editline]18th October 2011[/editline] Posters from Russia who keep vehemently arguing about how EU sucks give me the impressions they are angsty because Soviet Union fell apart.

[QUOTE=V12US;32843934]Surely you cannot agree with the billions of Euros being shipped off to Greece. The EU is basically awarding Greece for being corrupted to the bone, spending all their money on bitches and hoes and hiding the receipts for years. You. Yes, [I]you[/I], worked your ass off so Oupi Poupilopilos can sip cocktails on the beach. If that doesn't piss you off, you are a moron and deserve to be sucked dry of every cent you own.[/QUOTE] While you are absolutely correct, I'm hoping that you aren't under the false impression that European countries are putting Greece on life support just for the sakes of keeping it away from bankruptcy.

[QUOTE=Stopper;32847562]While you are absolutely correct, I'm hoping that you aren't under the false impression that European countries are putting Greece on life support just for the sakes of keeping it away from bankruptcy.[/QUOTE] i say let them go bust it's their own damn fault for spending all that £££ on whores, and the EU are even bigger dumb cunts for letting them in the EU.

[QUOTE=krakadict;32847639]i say let them go bust it's their own damn fault for spending all that £££ on whores, and the EU are even bigger dumb cunts for letting them in the EU.[/QUOTE] Greece has been in the EU since 1981, you know that, right?

[QUOTE=Stopper;32847956]Greece has been in the EU since 1981, you know that, right?[/QUOTE] The EU has been around since 1958 though

why the fuck would we leave the EU when we're in a recession. leaving the EU would be such a bad move it blows my mind.

[QUOTE=krakadict;32847639]i say let them go bust it's their own damn fault for spending all that £££ on whores, and the EU are even bigger dumb cunts for letting them in the EU.[/QUOTE]I don't think you understand the financial consquenses of letting Greece go bust.

My friend from greece told me it was germany to blame for their financial problems.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;32846551]Not British criminals, we don't still send them to Australia, we're talking about foreign criminals [/QUOTE] Ones without right to stay in the UK at that.

[QUOTE=Caesar;32844329]Where did you learn any of this crap? The biggest exporting partner of the UK is the USA, and the USA is it's third biggest import partner. Not sure when the last time you looked at a map was, but the USA is not a member of the EU. I'm not even going to rebut any of your other points since that's already been done by several others.[/QUOTE] Whilst this picture is from 2009, I think it's somewhat pertinent. [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2010/2/24/1267034168701/UK-exports-graphic-001.jpg[/IMG] Whilst you are correct in stating that the US is the biggest importer of UK goods, the next two on the list, Germany and France, combined are greater. In fact, if we take the US's imports of £33.5bn UK goods, it turns out to be less than a third of the combined imports of UK goods by the EU countries in the UK's top twenty export destinations, which is a huge £109.8bn. So I think the EU is far higher on the UK's list of economic and trade priorities than the US. EDIT:[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/24/uk-trade-exports-imports] Here's the Source[/url]

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;32848631]My friend from greece told me it was germany to blame for their financial problems.[/QUOTE] My uncle from Germany says to blame Japan.

[QUOTE=ijyt;32843678]I don't know, some of the EU consumer laws are damn good to have.[/QUOTE] If we were to leave, couldnt we adopt similar laws?

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;32850140]If we were to leave, couldnt we adopt similar laws?[/QUOTE] Except the Tories' summit on Energy Prices basically ended with no change at all, so the chances of them actually bringing in any pro-consumer legislation is practically nil.

Let's not forget that the [U][B]EU forced France to buy UK meat and poultry[/B][/U] after they continued the ban over Mad Cow Disease, despite it being certified safe by the EU. That's right, without the EU, some of our major trade partners may have simply upheld the ban because of what the public believe. I find it hilarious that people are angry over 'our money' they're 'wasting', but once we leave the EU and it all dies down, we'll still bitch about huge governmental waste. The EU, while not a fantastic wonderland, spends more of it's time introducing consumer rights laws (Did you know that every good you buy in the EU [U][B]has an automatic 2 year warranty, even if the manufacturer says it's only 1?[/B][/U]) Oh no, I guess not, since all we care about in this fucking country is reading shit like non-existant factoids like 'bendy bananas' and 'waste' that the general public would never have seen a penny of.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;32850140]If we were to leave, couldnt we adopt similar laws?[/QUOTE] We could but I bet they would not get through the houses of parliament.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;32850025]Whilst this picture is from 2009, I think it's somewhat pertinent. Whilst you are correct in stating that the US is the biggest importer of UK goods, the next two on the list, Germany and France, combined are greater. In fact, if we take the US's imports of £33.5bn UK goods, it turns out to be less than a third of the combined imports of UK goods by the EU countries in the UK's top twenty export destinations, which is a huge £109.8bn. So I think the EU is far higher on the UK's list of economic and trade priorities than the US. EDIT:[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/24/uk-trade-exports-imports] Here's the Source[/url][/QUOTE] Considering that the EU is the largest economy in the world (with over 200 million more people than the USA), I think for the UK to be exporting a third of what it's exporting to the EU to the USA is a very decent amount (especially because of free trade between EU nations). The point is, that your man that I quoted was saying that the UK is forced to trade with the EU, and not allowed to trade with anyone else, which is clearly not true.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;32843533]It's sort of an FTA (free trade agreement) I think but is also a governing body.[/QUOTE] I believe all EU citizens knows [b]what[/b] the EU is. The question is, how is EU benefitting our societies? Free trade is the obvious answer. Open borders to allow for easy trade and low VAT. And yes, it's a type of governing body, setting a set of rules to which (mostly) every country has to adhere to. Some countries have agreements that put them on "special terms", like Denmark, who still hasn't converted to the Euro. The big debate in the UK right now is if the country benefits enough from the EU, or if they would be better off leaving - and therefore paying a massive amount of money to terminate their membership. Many believe the benefits outweigh potential losses, but there are also many who believe the opposite. It'll be interesting to follow the proceedings. After all, the UK [i]is[/i] one of the major players in Europe, but they've always been on the passenger seat, when it comes to taking action in Bruxelles. (the hq of the EU)

I don't want the UK to leave the EU :( it could threaten my rights to reside here in Denmark. I don't require a visa to live here in Denmark because I am from an EU country and have proven that I will not be taking money from the government. If the UK leaves the EU then I guess I wouldn't be allowed to live here on that residence permit anymore. This is actually worrying me. It's not that I hated living in the UK, but I've established myself over here now, I have a job finally and I'm happy.

[QUOTE=xXDictatorXx;32858968]I don't want the UK to leave the EU :( it could threaten my rights to reside here in Denmark. I don't require a visa to live here in Denmark because I am from an EU country and have proven that I will not be taking money from the government. If the UK leaves the EU then I guess I wouldn't be allowed to live here on that residence permit anymore. This is actually worrying me.[/QUOTE] Quick, marry someone. That's what all the local immigrants in my area do, seems to work most of the time.

[QUOTE=Van-man;32858977]Quick, marry someone. That's what all the local immigrants in my area do, seems to work most of the time.[/QUOTE] I saw when I was looking up information on residence before I moved that you both have to be over 24 for that to work out, I'm 22. So even if my boyfriend and I got married purely for the sake of my visa it still wouldn't help :( (not that I'd really want to do that anyway). Also it'd suck to have to lose my UK citizenship.

David Cameron has said he will be rejecting a referendum: At Prime Minister's Questions, he said he[B] shared MPs' frustrations with how the European Union worked but would oppose calls for a vote on whether to quit the EU[/B] as it was "not our policy". In the Commons on Wednesday, Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said the [B]British people were "crying out" for a referendum and urged the PM to "make history and give the British people the chance to vote on our future with the EU[/B]". [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15373005[/url]

[QUOTE=AzureAngelic;32850058]My uncle from Germany says to blame Japan.[/QUOTE]Indeed, their porn is corrupting our economy.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;32862998]Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said the [B]British people were "crying out" for a referendum and urged the PM to "make history and give the British people the chance to vote on our future with the EU[/B]". [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15373005[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah of course they do, since people STILL believe they control the size of our eggs, the shape of our bananas, that the metric system is an EU invention, and that they force us to fly EU flags at our museums and universities. I do hope that new voters will stop listening to what tabloids print.