Woman's jail after rape 'unfortunate' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Atokniro;28870822]Everyone is an expert. A chicken, if asked, would give it's expert opinion on how it should be stuffed full of worms daily. What qualifications does she have[/QUOTE] She has a degree in political science, she used to be a journalist and she's in the process of writing a book about it.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28870540]uh, no, lol. It's just how people interpret it.[/QUOTE] If you take the direct interpretation (Which, guess what, was how it was supposed to be interpreted), then you'll find that people are treated like shit. The Bible, Qua'ran and Torah were never meant to be "interpreted". The people who wrote them just threw in things based on society at the time. But of course, religion, rather than admit that they're just wrong, claims that their books can be interpreted. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28871068]lol, removing religion will do nothing.[/QUOTE] Religion gives people an excuse. It also promotes dogmatic reasoning. You're seriously going to deny the influence of religion? wtf?

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;28871135]No, it doesn't, that's how they interpreted it and present it as the Islamic Law. I did not say the Quran condones it.[/QUOTE] Sharia law bases itself of many sources, some completely made up on the fly. It varies on who's implementing it. Sharia law is really just small rituals such as praying 5 times a day. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;28871129]Religion will seperate people, removing that makes religious seperation IMPOSSIBLE. I don't care how big or small that is, it affects the world a lot.[/QUOTE] People will find other things to separate eachother with. ie, what people use now more then religion, money And saying removing something completely is the only way to curb negatives is lunacy. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;28871193]If you take the direct interpretation (Which, guess what, was how it was supposed to be interpreted), then you'll find that people are treated like shit. The Bible, Qua'ran and Torah were never meant to be "interpreted". The people who wrote them just threw in things based on society at the time. But of course, religion, rather than admit that they're just wrong, claims that their books can be interpreted.[/quote] You're going to need to provide a source that they were written to be interpreted literally. [quote]Religion gives people an excuse. It also promotes dogmatic reasoning. You're seriously going to deny the influence of religion? wtf?[/QUOTE] So does a lot of things. I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying what you guys want is useless and fascistic.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28871210]Sharia law bases itself of many sources, some completely made up on the fly. It varies on who's implementing it. Sharia law is really just small rituals such as praying 5 times a day. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] People will find other things to separate eachother with. ie, what people use now more then religion, money And saying removing something completely is the only way to curb negatives is lunacy.[/QUOTE] Who says it's the only way? It's a big fucking step in the right direction though, and you can't deny that.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28871210]Sharia law bases itself of many sources, some completely made up on the fly. It varies on who's implementing it. Sharia law is really just small rituals such as praying 5 times a day. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] People will find other things to separate eachother with. ie, what people use now more then religion, money And saying removing something completely is the only way to curb negatives is lunacy. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] You're going to need to provide a source that they were written to be interpreted literally. So does a lot of things. I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying what you guys want is useless and fascistic.[/QUOTE] Local flavor why are your posts always so retarded? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply?" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

If the Quran doesn't denounce it then why does it state pretty blatantly that you should kill people having sex.

What a beautiful woman. :smith:

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28871068]lol, removing religion will do nothing.[/QUOTE] believe this if you want discrimination, slavery and genocide to continue

I fucking hate the middle east. Facist pigs.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28871412]If the Quran doesn't denounce it then why does it state pretty blatantly that you should kill people having sex.[/QUOTE] Because one passage will say to kill people having sex while another states the opposite, or it's every moderate's favorite phrase, "up to interpretation."

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;28871135]No, it doesn't, that's how they interpreted it and present it as the Islamic Law. I did not say the Quran condones it.[/QUOTE] Which is why she was pardoned.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28871210] People will find other things to separate eachother with. ie, what people use now more then religion, money [/QUOTE] That would actually be better, as there would actually be a base for that seperation, since people of different wealth have different habits.

Reminds me of Saudi Arabia. Loads of women get 10-50 lashes or sentenced to death because they were raped, its sickening. There was one girl that got raped by a gang of people then when she told her family, her brother tried to beat her to death, then she got arrested and had to have 100 lashes for it.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28871107]So? They're still Muslim. People seem to think ALL the worlds problems are the result of religion and making it illegal will bring instant world peace. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] You'll have your extremists in anything.[/QUOTE] No they are not muslims if you remove the religion. Also they will fix themselves when their society is readdy for it, (just like we did a few hunderd years ago). Look at what is happening in the middle east now.

[QUOTE=J!NX;28871364]Local flavor why are your posts always so retarded?[/QUOTE] Ignoring the fact you ignored all my arguments and jumped to an ad hom, I'll be on your level then AW RIGHT, execute anyone religious YEAHH!! [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Uberman77883;28871412]If the Quran doesn't denounce it then why does it state pretty blatantly that you should kill people having sex.[/QUOTE] Quote it.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28870540]uh, no, lol. It's just how people interpret it.[/QUOTE] It's known "back in the day" that women had barely any rights, in all religions and almost all societies. We can assume that the religious books were written "back in the day" with the principles and morals that were acceptable "back in the day". I'm sure you can interpret it another way if you want to, but I doubt it had the intention to give women rights.

[QUOTE=Miskav;28871251]Who says it's the only way? It's a big fucking step in the right direction though, and you can't deny that.[/QUOTE] It's no more a big step as it is a step backwards. Religion is something different to many people. People use it for good as well as evil. simply banning it will piss a lot of people off, and you can never really ban it. If religion were to suddenly go away with people not wondering about it, things would be slightly better. Religion, in the grand scheme of things, is barely an excuse used for evil. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Moose;28871523]believe this if you want discrimination, slavery and genocide to continue[/QUOTE] People discriminate for many reasons. Religion would take away a fraction of that. Now where is there Genocide and slavery happening because of religion?

...and they wonder why we dislike their culture they are backwards several hundred years regarding their legal system

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28871412]If the Quran doesn't denounce it then why does it state pretty blatantly that you should kill people having sex.[/QUOTE] Are you implying in Islam, it's illegal to have sex?

[QUOTE=taipan;28871934]No they are not muslims if you remove the religion. Also they will fix themselves when their society is readdy for it, (just like we did a few hunderd years ago). Look at what is happening in the middle east now.[/QUOTE] Muslims protesting against corrupt governments? What exactly is your point? [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Janizaurd;28871829]That would actually be better, as there would actually be a base for that seperation, since people of different wealth have different habits.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously weighing which type of discrimination is better?

It's only rape because she didn't cooperate :(

[QUOTE]Fundamentalist Islam says that women should be treated equally[/quote] No.

[QUOTE=Miskav;28870280]Another reason why those countries need a serious re-work.[/QUOTE] So does many things, we gotta find some common ground

[QUOTE=Starpluck;28871730]Which is why she was pardoned.[/QUOTE] The pardon doesn't mean shit, the damage is already done.

Islam has outrageous laws? Tell me something new.

LOL Starpluck. Are you saying Islam says that women should be treated equally? What the fuck?!

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;28872417]The pardon doesn't mean shit, the damage is already done.[/QUOTE]Try re-reading my post and what I quoted. Your post attempts to make it seem as if the fact that she was pardoned shortly after, was an attempt to extenuate UAE.

Some parts in the mid-east needs to fix their assbackwards islamic laws.

[QUOTE=ohadje;28872491]LOL Starpluck. Are you saying Islam says that women should be treated equally? What the fuck?![/QUOTE] Settle down. This is partly the reason why you lack a degree in political science as opposed to the teacher who made that statement. Fundamental Islam does require women in Islam to be treated equally, as explicit in the source of it all; the Quran. Failing to distinguish between extremism and the original, core Islam contributes to your confusion.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;28872658]Settle down. This is partly the reason why you lack a degree in political science as opposed to the teacher who made that statement. Fundamental Islam does require women in Islam to be treated equally, as explicit in the source of it all; the Quran. Failing to distinguish between extremism and the original, core Islam contributes to your confusion.[/QUOTE] Uh, bullshit. I don't have the time to destroy your bullshit, because I have other matters to do, be a simple googling will do.