The Mary Sue: Metroid’s Samus Aran is a Transgender Woman. Deal With It. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;48629795]I love how she's legit outraged about fucking birdo. Like was the pink dinosaur that spits eggs at people a champion of trans rights or what?[/QUOTE] she is the first transgender character in a video game ever, beating poision by a year or so The US manual for super mario bros 2 said that birdo "was a boy who wanted to be a girl" i dont support the Person who wrote these article, just wanna provide some context.

Thomas is trains.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;48629985]Nobody ever talks about genuine transgender game characters like Vivian from Paper Mario. Then again, that's because she was made cis in the English translation. In the original version of Thousand Year Door, Vivian is trans and joins Mario because her sisters incessantly misgender her. If you played the English version, you might've been confused as to why her sisters were always calling her "ugly" and "horrid". In Japanese, she's being called a tranny. The translators decided to censor it and rewrote the whole subplot to them being jealous of her beauty. But no, let's just say Samus is trans because she's tall why not.[/QUOTE] If that's true, then that's hysterically and almost depressingly ironic. I've never heard it before though.

I first heard about this silly mess on wikipedia, when I noticed there was an edit war on Samus' page: [t]http://puu.sh/k2A2r.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48629991]I first heard about this silly mess on wikipedia, when I noticed there was an edit war on Samus' page: [t]http://puu.sh/k2A2r.png[/t][/QUOTE] I really don't want wikipedia to be consumed by rabid tumblrites clawing to make everything about them. [QUOTE=PelPix123;48629994]It's true. In Japanese, it's a really touching story. In English, meh. [url]http://www.mariowiki.com/Vivian#Gender[/url][/QUOTE] That's really sad, they were concerned so much about cultural conflict in English speaking countries that they changed the whole plot.

[QUOTE=Cmx;48629940]All this shitting around and Wu doesnt even mention poison from street fighter.[/QUOTE] They'll get more attention making stuff up about a popular character rather than commenting about the truth of a not as well known one, perhaps?

"if you dont follow gender stereotypes then you must be trans"

I don't really get what all the outrage is about. It's a single person's interpretation of a video game. Wohoo. Might be right, might be wrong. Not even sure why this is here. I wouldn't post my paper on Hamlet's sexual orientation to SN. If this is the kind of meaningless crap GamerGate concerns itself with all day no wonder the "movement" is going nowhere.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48629991]I first heard about this silly mess on wikipedia, when I noticed there was an edit war on Samus' page: [t]http://puu.sh/k2A2r.png[/t][/QUOTE] "If the wikipedia says it it's fact"

You're about a week late, dude. The shitstorm happened and then everybody stopped caring.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48630074]I don't really get what all the outrage is about. It's a single person's interpretation of a video game. Wohoo. Might be right, might be wrong. Not even sure why this is here. I wouldn't post my paper on Hamlet's sexual orientation to SN.[/QUOTE] It's an issue because they are pushing their personal interpretation as [I]facts[/I]. There was an edit war on Wikipedia, almost certainly started by Brianna Wu herself (based on the IP and time coinciding with her tweets) about Samus being trans.

[QUOTE]As one article recently noted, shockingly, there have only been 14 playable black women in videogame history.[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=meppers;48630184]what[/QUOTE] Obviously not counting every RPG ever where you can change your skin colour

[QUOTE=meppers;48630184]what[/QUOTE] The number is actually 19, and it's true. Does it have any relevance to anything? Not really. Keyword "playable." **also not counting character creators

[QUOTE=Saber15;48630110]It's an issue because they are pushing their personal interpretation as [I]facts[/I]. There was an edit war on Wikipedia, almost certainly started by Brianna Wu herself (based on the IP and time coinciding with her tweets) about Samus being trans.[/QUOTE] Firstly, that was not in the OP's post, OP was probably unaware of it. Secondly, do you have any proof that Wu herself is behind the edit "war?" Because I see none. Like so many things Gamergate, you are taking unrelated events and tying them together based on circumstance and coincidences. I checked the very first IP address that started this edit "war," it is from California. Wu lives in Massachusetts. So who is this "they" that you are complaining about? It's not Wu. She just wrote an article.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48630074]I don't really get what all the outrage is about. It's a single person's interpretation of a video game. Wohoo. Might be right, might be wrong. Not even sure why this is here. I wouldn't post my paper on Hamlet's sexual orientation to SN. If this is the kind of meaningless crap GamerGate concerns itself with all day no wonder the "movement" is going nowhere.[/QUOTE] Are you being willfully ignorant to the part where many people are trying to push it as a fact when it blatantly isn't.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;48630206]Are you being willfully ignorant to the part where many people are trying to push it as a fact when it blatantly isn't.[/QUOTE] I read the article. It is an interpretation of a video game character. There are people who believe that interpretation. There are people who do not. Both of those people will argue. It's the same way this field has worked for hundreds of years. The authors assert that they are right just like literally every piece of interpretative writing. Short of an explicit statement about the matter in Metroid cannon clarifying the matter I'm not sure how you can claim this is or is not a correct interpretation. You are correct that the Wikipedia article should not have been edited though. But you find that stuff in literally every Wikipedia article about creative works.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48630251]I read the article. It is an interpretation of a video game character. There are people who believe that interpretation. There are people who do not. Both of those people will argue. It's the same way this field has worked for hundreds of years. The authors assert that they are right just like literally every piece of interpretative writing. Short of a statement from Metroid's creators clarifying the matter I'm not sure how you can claim this is or is not a correct interpretation. You are correct that the Wikipedia article should not have been edited though. But you find that stuff in literally every Wikipedia article about creative works.[/QUOTE] Now read those tweets sent out by the writer of the article. "Link is trans, Zelda is trans, Poison Ivy is trans, get used to it. I don't care about creator's intent, I demand queer representation in video games."

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48630202]Firstly, that was not in the OP's post, OP was probably unaware of it. Secondly, do you have any proof that Wu herself is behind the edit "war?" Because I see none. Like so many things Gamergate, you are taking unrelated events and tying them together based on circumstance and coincidences. I checked the very first IP address that started this edit "war," it is from California. Wu lives in Massachusetts. So who is this "they" that you are complaining about? It's not Wu. She just wrote an article.[/QUOTE] The way the edit comments read its obvious that its Wu.

[QUOTE]Gamers who aren’t cisgender white men often find themselves lacking characters they can rally behind.[/QUOTE] I [I]never[/I] understood this concept. Besides the few games with character creators that intend for the playable character to be an extension of you, no game wants you to believe you are the main character. You're controlling the main character, there's a difference. I don't feel like a warcrime-committing 40-something when I play MGSV, just like I don't feel like an athletic asian woman when playing Mirror's Edge. I can "rally behind" their intentions and motives, their gender and race matter as little to me as it matters in their own stories. If you're creating this huge demand for black transgender women in main roles in games, why not make the games yourselves instead of shitting on established characters from 20 years ago or waiting for AAA to do it? AAA isn't gonna do it, their main audience [I]is[/I] cisgender white men.

[QUOTE=meppers;48630184]what[/QUOTE] Why does it matter if a video game character is black and/or female? Also: [QUOTE]Gamers who aren’t cisgender white men often find themselves lacking characters they can rally behind [/QUOTE] No. I could relate to a white character in a video game even if I'm black, if there was a game character that was relatable to me or to real life I would "rally behind" them more because I can relate to them regardless of their color or gender

[QUOTE=Cmx;48629940]All this shitting around and Wu doesnt even mention poison from street fighter.[/QUOTE] Actually she does, Final Fight Poison and Street Fighter Poison are the same person.

[QUOTE=Cmx;48629940]All this shitting around and Wu doesnt even mention poison from street fighter.[/QUOTE] [quote="Source in the OP"]Representation for transgender people is equally tough to find in gaming. Both Dangonronpa and Persona 4 managed to blunder transgender representation. [b]One of the most famous transgender video game characters, Poison from Final Fight, is empowered but blatantly oversexualized[/b].[/quote] -------------------------------------------- [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48630202]Like so many things Gamergate, you are taking unrelated events and tying them together based on circumstance and coincidences.[/QUOTE] The fuck does Gamergate have to do with this

She's clearly just doing this to rile people up. But let's take this seriously for a moment, i get that there's a huge, distinct lack of trans representation in gaming, and in the media in general, but forcing your headcanon onto people and established, long-standing characters and demanding they take it as fact is ridiculous. This isn't the way to fix the problem, instead try creating your own characters or something of the sort.

This is so retarded, not the site, but the fact you bothered to post this in SH. This isn't coming from official sources, this is just some idiot speculating and has as much credibility as an opinion piece (And should be treated as such).

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48630539]This is so retarded, not the site, but the fact you bothered to post this in SH. This isn't coming from official sources, this is just some idiot speculating and has as much credibility as an opinion piece (And should be treated as such).[/QUOTE] That's why I listed my thread as shitpost.

why are people still fucking giving Brianna Wu attention, holy shit. and this "REPRESENTATION" shit really needs to stop. if your role models aren't real people your perception of what life should be is fucked up. there is literally not one positive representation of Venezuela and its people in media, do you think I give a shit about that? just play the fucking games, they aren't there to give you a life lesson they're just there for you to have fun. and if you can't have fun unless the main character of said videogame is literally a fictionalized version of you then you're just a selfish motherfucker. characters can be just, you know, characters, writers don't make characters to fill your social representation quotas they just write characters to fit a story.

Everyone sensible knew Brianna was batshit insane, or at least a colossal entitled hypocrite, months ago, all this really does is confirm it for everyone who was still skeptical.

I've seen enough rule 34 to know this is bullshit.

Wow, this and the whole wiki edit wars just makes this looks so stupid and childish. I mean, sure, Samus can have quite a few masculine (cold, calculating, fearless(Cough FUCKING COUGHT O.M.)) properties to herself (to the point where Other M had to have her bitch about "The Babeh" all the time), she's still a woman in every damn way. That's almost the entire point of the character, she is a woman that does things that are usually expected of men, and she does them well. This labeling of her is pointless and embarrassing. Certain adds to the fact that Wu was already in great negative connotations to me. [editline]7th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=iAmaNewb;48630634]I've seen enough rule 34 to know this is bullshit.[/QUOTE] Eh, seen enough of it both ways, to say it's not a good source of evidence. :v: