Thunderbird “a tax” on Firefox development, and Mozilla wants to drop it - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Giraffen93;49227293]Feels to me like the only desktop email client outside of outlook is thunderbird, been using it for 7 years[/QUOTE] I just use evolution when I need a desktop client.

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;49227840]Having to play catch-up to get people to use it because nowadays the only people still using Firefox are paranoid ninnies, old folks, those who probably grew up with Netscape, and people who care about having a browser that's actually different from the rest. Similar reason why Opera sucked once it adopted Blink. Kind of a shame, really.[/QUOTE] That and Mozilla seems to be focusing far too hard on social justice bullshit. Come on, should a browser non-profit really be concerned about that sort of stuff?

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49231184]That and Mozilla seems to be focusing far too hard on social justice bullshit. Come on, should a browser non-profit really be concerned about that sort of stuff?[/QUOTE] mozilla is -much- bigger than just firefox and thunderbird

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;49231350]I use Geary for the prettier interface. But seriously, I could get by with alpine. [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Alpine-2.00.png[/img] No bullshit, uses barely any system resources and has minimal dependencies.[/QUOTE] Geary work with exchange?

Neat. You guys have fun with that. I'll keep on using the same install of Thunderbird I've been using for five or six years now. [QUOTE=Amiga OS;49231350]I use Geary for the prettier interface. But seriously, I could get by with alpine. [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Alpine-2.00.png[/img] No bullshit, uses barely any system resources and has minimal dependencies.[/QUOTE] I rather like that simple interface. Harkens back to the early days of PCs. Shame I can't have that interface laid atop Thunderbird's underpinnings.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49227318]Yeah for fucks sake Mozilla, stop trying to make Firefox like Google Chrome. That's why we, the current people that friggin use it, because it isn't Google Chrome. If you continue on this path all you're going to do is drive the people you have using it away...[/QUOTE] Can I ask why you use FF instead of Chrome? I switched a few years ago due to stability problems with FF and Chrome has been great ever since, but I honestly don't find any major difference between the two. I don't why people on either side abhor the other, not saying that you specifically do.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;49232959]No, just the usual SMTP & IMAP support.[/QUOTE] Damn, then I'll stick with evolution.

[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;49232940]Can I ask why you use FF instead of Chrome? I switched a few years ago due to stability problems with FF and Chrome has been great ever since, but I honestly don't find any major difference between the two. I don't why people on either side abhor the other, not saying that you specifically do.[/QUOTE] Memory management here. I'd rather use the memory Chrome takes up for something else.

[QUOTE=TestECull;49232928]Neat. You guys have fun with that. I'll keep on using the same install of Thunderbird I've been using for five or six years now. I rather like that simple interface. Harkens back to the early days of PCs. Shame I can't have that interface laid atop Thunderbird's underpinnings.[/QUOTE] Enjoying your security vulnerabilities?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49227826]Can you ELI5 to a chrome user how is firefox ruined? Im just curious, is all.[/QUOTE] Extremely political management and poor design decisions, plus a lack of competing features. I can't think of a single reason to use Firefox over Chrome.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49231334]mozilla is -much- bigger than just firefox and thunderbird[/QUOTE] Yes, Firefox OS and it's twenty users

[QUOTE=Scratch.;49233030]Yes, Firefox OS and it's twenty users[/QUOTE] Don't they do rust too? But yeah, they really aren't much bigger than firefox and thunderbird. And some open source replacements for deprecated shit no one needs.

[QUOTE=Scratch.;49233030]Yes, Firefox OS and it's twenty users[/QUOTE] rustlang, firefox, thunderbird, mozvr, they contribute to the W3 specs, they're activists for the good with a pocket, mozilla research(which is pretty important), etc

Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49233197]Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?[/QUOTE] For pop3, generally you can have a far more capable and featured mail program than any web interface, offline access, management of multiple email accounts from multiple providers at once.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49233197]Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?[/QUOTE] well it has been answered several times in the thread [QUOTE=hexpunK;49229355]It can be generally faster than logging into a webmail client. Desktop notifications used to be another big reason but modern browsers can handle that now too. If set up correctly, it can be much more secure. You tend to have a greater degree of flexibility filtering wise too.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wauterboi;49229450]While I don't download the application for everything, having an application that is native feels like it runs faster, is better integrated into the design of your computer (i.e. mailto links), gives notifications, comes with more configuration options, etc. If it's in your browser... it's in your browser. And having your mail open in your browser all the time can be annoying - things that I usually leave open for very long I want an app for. Unfortuntely, Google Music, Soundcloud, and Facebook have no programs. (I don't count Facebook Messenger as a viable program in 2015 - it's not updated.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49233197]Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?[/QUOTE] Since I just use an outlook account, having the Web interface is good when I don't have access to my own device Shit like reading emails on senior school. Ever since I've had multiple email accounts, I've just been using the windows built in client, and at university I've just remote desktop back to my desktop. Having a smartphone now also helps, I rarely use the Web client, but it's good to have as a backup

[QUOTE=TheJoker;49227282]Running out of free options for email clients.[/QUOTE] You know I'm amazed the government more specifically the NSA hasn't gone, we'll create an email service. Granted it won't have privacy but its free.. Actually, I'm amazed this hasn't happen for many things.

[QUOTE=Passing;49233431]You know I'm amazed the government more specifically the NSA hasn't gone, "we'll create an email service. Granted it won't have privacy but its free.." Actually, I'm amazed this hasn't happen for many things.[/QUOTE] Doesn't gMail serve this purpose well enough? Granted it's not strictly made by the NSA's, but it's used in data mining so it'd be a close candidate. Or heck, any free email provider while we're at it just because people like free.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49233197]Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?[/QUOTE] I swapped to using Thunderbird for my university email account when the web login decided to not work. I just use the gmail app on my phone now because the university uses google apps mail or whatever it's called. [QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;49232940]Can I ask why you use FF instead of Chrome? I switched a few years ago due to stability problems with FF and Chrome has been great ever since, but I honestly don't find any major difference between the two. I don't why people on either side abhor the other, not saying that you specifically do.[/QUOTE] I use firefox because I hate those burger menus on anything that doesn't make phone calls and it lets me use a menu bar. Firefox also has addons that I need that no other browser has replacements for. I've also never had stability issues so I can't see any reason to even consider swapping in the first place.

[QUOTE=kimr120;49228553]Mozilla is dead or dying for me. As soon edge get extension support I'll jump ship.[/QUOTE] Just so you know, Edge isn't exactly a perfect browsing experience. It's fast, lightweight, and looks really pretty, but it can be unstable at the worst times. It has an issue where it will return an entirely random 404 instantly after a link is clicked, as if it never even attempted to connect in the first place. Worse yet, it doesn't resend form data if you refresh. Hopefully they're working on the issue because the last version of IE didn't have this problem.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49233197]Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?[/QUOTE] Anyone who needs to use email for work or beyond casually uses a desktop client for it. Managing multiple accounts, emails notifications when I get an email on any account and offline email. Web mail is fine if you only use email casually but when you start needing it for work a desktop client becomes extremely useful. Thunderbird is open source so if Mozilla drop it I'm sure someone will continue it. Js desktop apps really put me off. Pretty much the main ressonn I use Skype still over Discord or Hangouts.

I use Firefox on desktop because it generally seems more lightweight and faster than Chrome (personal experience) while not giving up too much functionality. I also dislike the Chrome project's inclination to try and be the only app I need or some shit. I just want to use you as a web browser, stop running in the background, keep that shit on my Chromebook only.

[QUOTE=Morgen;49234802]Anyone who needs to use email for work or beyond casually uses a desktop client for it. Managing multiple accounts, emails notifications when I get an email on any account and offline email. Web mail is fine if you only use email casually but when you start needing it for work a desktop client becomes extremely useful. Thurdbird is open source so if Mozzila drop it I'm sure someone will continue it. Js desktop apps really put me off. Pretty much the main ressonn I use Skype still over Discord or Hangouts.[/QUOTE] I personally see discord over skype purely because skype isn't so much transparent with their users. Skype has an underlying security risk, and plays an important part at quickening the time taken to doxx a user on a twitch stream. It's all a part of the protocol, and a they really should be updating the application and they do... no one updates because they then ruin the user experience

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49233197]Why would someone use an email desktop client over a website? Legitimate question. What benefits does it provide, and what kind of people would need those benefits as a make-or-break option?[/QUOTE] I have a private domain, so the main benefit for me is the ability to actually read my mail.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49228276]Thunderbird is amazing. It's the only mail client I know that supports signing and encrypting emails.[/QUOTE] There are a few, but most of them are [I]atrociously[/I] bad. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Scratch.;49234861]I personally see discord over skype purely because skype isn't so much transparent with their users. Skype has an underlying security risk, and plays an important part at quickening the time taken to doxx a user on a twitch stream. It's all a part of the protocol, and a they really should be updating the application and they do... no one updates because they then ruin the user experience[/QUOTE] I recently got audio ads playing in the background when I wasn't even using Skype. It's all blocked with [I]hosts[/I] file now, but of course there's still all that empty space left over by ads not loading. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] Also that disgusting turkey emoticon :s: [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;49234835]I use Firefox on desktop because it generally seems more lightweight and faster than Chrome (personal experience) while not giving up too much functionality. I also dislike the Chrome project's inclination to try and be the only app I need or some shit. I just want to use you as a web browser, stop running in the background, keep that shit on my Chromebook only.[/QUOTE] With very few tabs Chrome seems faster to me, but part of that is because it iirc by default starts with the system so it doesn't actually have to load much of anything to open the first window. Firefox is much faster and uses less RAM once I reach ~15-20 tabs on my computer.

[QUOTE=Giraffen93;49230710]now this i don't like one bit[/QUOTE] Yeah my bad, I forgot to mention the Sync Engine shit N1 does. I ran my own sync engine on a server but it is a pretty lame requirement. I've since switched from N1 to my own secure email setup on a VPS and haven't looked back.