China documents U.S. human rights violations - Polidicks

It's from 1932 so some things may be a little out dated.

[QUOTE=Wakka;21578781]It's from 1932 so some things may be a little out dated.[/QUOTE] Like the fact that it state that America is a heavily industrialized country. Another reason why communism in western nations is outdated. I'm still reading.

What ever you say China.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21578916]Like the fact that it state that America is a heavily industrialized country.[/QUOTE] What he is referring to is that the conditions of the United States were different in the 1930s than it is now. It doesn't take a genius to see that. As for the original post, please keep this in mind: China made this report in response to the US's periodic release of reports on certain nations. It is hardly objective: negative ones always go to the ones that are on the US's bad list. What ever suits the foreign policy of the State Department at the time. In this event however, it is pointless to defend either. What China is doing here is the kettle calling the pot black, and vice versa when the United States comes in. What we should take away with this is how some countries feel that they are in a position to pass judgement on another country's actions and realities. I can tell from the reaction of some users in this thread it is certainly the case here. I'd imagine some proud Chinese feel the same way when their country is criticized by a nation, particularly in a "holier than thou" And another point here, China is shown to the United States as this ultra-leftist communist country but that is hardly the fact. China instituted reforms in the 1980s and 1990s starting with Deng Xaoping's assumption of power. China is filled with corporations and workers' rights have been thrown to the wind. Social programs have been falling apart in favor of business productivity. The rallying cry against Chinese "communism" has often been Tienanmen Square, but what is often glossed over is that many of the demonstrators were themselves still Marxists if not some other strand of socialist, and there was singing of the Internationale- a socialist rallying cry. In fact a common target of Chinese political repression is not just the "democratic" types we're shown on the news, but often time more authentic socialists and hardcore Maoists who are seen a threat to the ruling party due to their role in getting many workers in China riled up against the hypocrisy of the ruling party (claiming to represent the workers while they've been getting cozy with western corporations), which sold out its ideals in order to maintain its political grip on the country.

The US government is completely worthless and every effort needs to be made to resist turn at every term. Hear that? That's the sound of me not being arrested.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21578655]Context works. Should we take our posts out of them? Just give me a synopsis of a day in the life of a man in a true communist nation.[/QUOTE] Simple terms: Guy makes food. Gives it to everyone. Guy produces electricity. Gives it to everyone Guy makes cars. Gives one to everyone. And every product in the world is given to everyone else, making it a well oiled machine.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21579513]Simple terms: Guy makes food. Gives it to everyone. Guy produces electricity. Gives it to everyone Guy makes cars. Gives one to everyone. And every product in the world is given to everyone else, making it a well oiled machine.[/QUOTE] I'd like to remind you that this is real life we're talking about.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;21579620]I'd like to remind you that this is real life we're talking about.[/QUOTE] I'd like to remind you of social evolution

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[QUOTE=davidofmk771;21558450]Yeah, little known fact, Japanese citizens of America were sent to camps in WWII.[/QUOTE] It's not little known at all. Although I really cannot comment because my grandpa was sent to on of the camps so I obviously know about them.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21579680]I'd like to remind you of social evolution[/QUOTE] Utopias are fictional.

I are communist man. I want more bread. I ask my fellow comrade. If he says no, I beat him and take it. I then give bread to fellow communist man. I tell man to follow me and take more bread. More man follow me. I now have 10 communist man following me to take bread. There are no force to stop communist mans because there can be no police, because police are unequal. Now I say that I are king of all communist man. I take more bread and give it to my fighter communist mans. I make more mans work fields to make more bread for me. Now I king.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;21579754]Utopias are fictional.[/QUOTE] Everything at some point was deemed a utopia. Even a lot of the demands of the United States revolution from enlightenment era philosophers were deemed to be unfeasible. The entire point of Marxist theory to begin with was to achieve communism beyond the crude attempts before. Another point of it was to adjust to the realities of a situation. [QUOTE=lulzbocks;21579895]I are communist man. I want more bread. I ask my fellow comrade. If he says no, I beat him and take it. I then give bread to fellow communist man. I tell man to follow me and take more bread. More man follow me. I now have 10 communist man following me to take bread. There are no force to stop communist mans because there can be no police, because police are unequal. Now I say that I are king of all communist man. I take more bread and give it to my fighter communist mans. I make more mans work fields to make more bread for me. Now I king.[/QUOTE] What? But at any rate this has no bearing on anything. For one thing China's communist party no longer adheres to Marxism or any other form of socialism for that matter. But even then, how does this tie into what China does with its internet? I think what we should all be taking away from this is why the United States or China should get on their high horse and chastise other countries for their actions? It is obvious they are not doing it so much in interest of human rights as it is to further their own agendas.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;21579754]Utopias are fictional.[/QUOTE] Communism is a science.

[QUOTE=Wakka;21580017]Communism is a science.[/QUOTE] Capitalism is a science.

capitalism =/= utopia :v:

[QUOTE=Wakka;21580062]Communism =/= utopia.[/QUOTE] Then why not use capitalism?

The US has violated human rights immensely in modern times in the Middle East, but it's nothing new. Everyone knows already.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21579895]I are communist man. I want more bread. I ask my fellow comrade. If he says no, I beat him and take it. I then give bread to fellow communist man. I tell man to follow me and take more bread. More man follow me. I now have 10 communist man following me to take bread. There are no force to stop communist mans because there can be no police, because police are unequal. Now I say that I are king of all communist man. I take more bread and give it to my fighter communist mans. I make more mans work fields to make more bread for me. Now I king.[/QUOTE] I are capitalist man. I want more money. I ask my fellow workers. If they says no, I fire them and take it, then hire people who work for less. I then give money to fellow ceos that like I. I tell men to follow me and take more money. More ceo men follow me. I now have 10 capitalist man following me to take money. There are no force to stop capitalist mans because police can be bought. Now We say that we are king of all capitalist man. I take more money and give it to my fellow ceo mans. I make more mans work fields to make more money for me. Now we king.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21580075]Then why not use capitalism?[/QUOTE] Capitalism is definitely not a utopia :v:

[QUOTE=that1dude24;21580080]I are capitalist man. I want more money. I ask my fellow workers. If they says no, I fire them and take it, then hire people who work for less. I then give money to fellow ceos that like I. I tell men to follow me and take more money. More ceo men follow me. I now have 10 capitalist man following me to take money. There are no force to stop capitalist mans because police can be bought. Now I say that I are king of all capitalist man. I take more money and give it to my fellow ceo mans. I make more mans work fields to make more money for me. Now I king.[/QUOTE] Hence, why there is not, and never will be a perfect system. I prefer capitalism, however, because there is a chance to rise to the top, or at least to a higher level. In communism there are no higher levels. If I lived in a communist nation, I would do nothing because I could. [editline]08:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wakka;21580102]Capitalism is definitely not a utopia :v:[/QUOTE] Nothing is.

[QUOTE=Wakka;21580102]Capitalism is definitely not a utopia :v:[/QUOTE] Utopias never work.

[QUOTE=Wakka;21580102]Capitalism is definitely not a utopia :v:[/QUOTE] But it works. [editline]08:34AM[/editline] :ninja:

[QUOTE=Wakka;21579682][IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/2ldfu4w.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I, too, can make capitalist life seem shallow and meaningless by juxtaposing corporate logos with an absurdly simplified outline of American life. [QUOTE=MercZ;21579952] I think what we should all be taking away from this is why the United States or China should get on their high horse and chastise other countries for their actions? It is obvious they are not doing it so much in interest of human rights as it is to further their own agendas.[/QUOTE] We're far from perfect, but we're sure as hell better than China. What China is doing is the same thing Hitler did in WW2. Hitler tried to justify the Concentration camps by pointing out that the US had camps of their own. While the Internment camps were horrible on their own right, they were nothing compared to the concentration camps of the Holocaust.

[quote] We're far from perfect, but we're sure as hell better than China.[/QUOTE] Lesser of two evils is still evil. Again I think people are missing the larger point of this. It's obvious that United States citizens get angry being lectured about why their system has issues by an outside observer, so why is it unreasonable to some of you that the reverse can be true as well? I am not justifying what China has said but it's obvious that they're doing this in response to the US's own reports on its conditions.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21580076]The US has violated human rights immensely in modern times in the Middle East, but it's nothing new. Everyone knows already.[/QUOTE] That's nice. Now go back to defending Israel for doing the exact same thing.

ITT: America just got old, sad and hated? ITT: Europe can stop being a pooch of some teenage nihilist state who just want to break thigs? ITT: China's still not cool?