After years of being silent, a 95 year old woman reveals that Hitler made delicious food - Polidicks

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40449575']And tat's where it was going to end. The invasion of France and the USSR and combining that with the Pacific War was what kicked it off. The USSR would not have gone any farther than Finland and Poland without German intervention.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but that I doubt is true. The Soviets got their hands on pretty much any piece of land they did in the Cold War. The only reason they didn't start declaring war like crazy against all the tiny European nations was because they were recovering from Stalin ordering the killing of so many generals and other officials. Why would they just stop at Poland and Finland?

[QUOTE=Paramud;40450042]How do you feel about Harry Truman, then?[/QUOTE] a dick for authorizing atomic bombing against civilian cities but he's in no way whatsoever comparable to hitler oh my god, are we actually gonna argue now how hes similar to hitler lmao?

don't give a fuck about this argument but you're coming off as a huge cock lolwutdude

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40450114]don't give a fuck about this argument but you're coming off as a huge cock lolwutdude[/QUOTE] lol like i give a shit, if they consider hitler personally a nice dude, i must be a saint, so dont worry bout it bro

[QUOTE=matt000024;40450073]I'm sorry, but that I doubt is true. The Soviets got their hands on pretty much any piece of land they did in the Cold War. The only reason they didn't start declaring war like crazy against all the tiny European nations was because they were recovering from Stalin ordering the killing of so many generals and other officials. Why would they just stop at Poland and Finland?[/QUOTE] Because they had no interest in expanding? Stalin pioneered the concept of "socialism in one nation", against the position of the international leftist community until that point. The reason why the USSR sought Poland and Finland was directly political coming from the events of 1917-1918: the early Soviet Union invaded Poland with the intent of liberating it from reactionary/conservative/capitalist control and potentially annexing it into the Union. Finland was a close ally to Russia and traditionally considered Russian territory. When the Finnish civil war failed, the Soviets saw it popularly as oppressed, needing to be liberated and brought into the Union. Both of these nations were invaded because of their direct political histories, not because of Russian expansionism, which was a myth created by America in the 1950s. The Soviets were definitely opportunists in that they puppeteered Eastern Europe after negotiations, but this was also a "political" move in that the Soviets saw it as necessary as compensation for their war losses and to counter Western imperialist expansion in Western Europe. By no means did Stalin intend to expand the Union beyond the targets of Poland and Finland, which were targets since 1917. If your entire knowledge of the politics of Stalin's USSR comes from WWII and the Cold War, you're missing out on all of the reality and only getting the sensationalism and false propaganda.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40449661]seriously, why is facepunch so wanting to paint evil people as 'nice guys in the inside, he just did fucked up shit!' hey gais, i know kkks did horrendous shit like lynching blacks and oppressing them, but other than that, on a [I]personal [/I]level, they were nice dudes![/QUOTE] Never said otherwise. But people stick to the simple "extremely evil guys - extremely good guys" version of history, and forget how the Allies committed war crimes as bad as the Holocaust (Oh, bombing civilians with incendiary bombs isn't as bad as ordering people to die based on their religious beliefs?) Also, there are a lot of people with really fucked-up ideas, but who refuse to take part in violent acts, or remain civil when confronted. Not to mention that many people were Nazis just to get the benefits of being in the party (Something typical of dictatorships). [QUOTE=lolwutdude;40450089]a dick for authorizing atomic bombing against civilian cities but he's in no way whatsoever comparable to hitler oh my god, are we actually gonna argue now how hes similar to hitler lmao?[/QUOTE] There you go, just because the Allies won the war, they are nowhere as bad as the Axis. Both sides did a lot of really fucked up shit against civilians. But the Allies got the better treatment, seeing as how they were the ones judging the losers. Is not how similar Truman is to Hitler. Is how the Allies got away with a lot of nasty stuff just for being the winning side. You can't call someone a monster if you were also playing their own game ON PURPOSE.

[QUOTE=T553412;40450757]Never said otherwise. But people stick to the simple "extremely evil guys - extremely good guys" version of history, and forget how the Allies committed war crimes as bad as the Holocaust (Oh, bombing civilians with incendiary bombs isn't as bad as ordering people to die based on their religious beliefs?) Also, there are a lot of people with really fucked-up ideas, but who refuse to take part in violent acts, or remain civil when confronted. Not to mention that many people were Nazis just to get the benefits of being in the party (Something typical of dictatorships). There you go, just because the Allies won the war, they are nowhere as bad as the Axis. Both sides did a lot of really fucked up shit against civilians. But the Allies got the better treatment, seeing as how they were the ones judging the losers. Is not how similar Truman is to Hitler. Is how the Allies got away with a lot of nasty stuff just for being the winning side. You can't call someone a monster if you were also playing their own game ON PURPOSE.[/QUOTE] where did i say allies didn't commit atrocities? i said they werent the same because one didn't install a regime for the sole purpose of mass extermination of certain people and expansion to take over europe and one didn't, i'd rather have truman over hitler anytime, wouldn't you???? not to mention my argument was still that hitler wasn't a nice person while you kept trying to say hitler was on a [I]personal [/I] level, as if being nice to people you like and being a murderous tyrant toward you don't suddenly makes you an overall nice person

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40450920]where did i say allies didn't commit atrocities? i said they werent the same because [B]one didn't install a regime for the sole purpose of mass extermination of certain people[/B] and expansion to take over europe and one didn't, i'd rather have truman over hitler anytime, wouldn't you???? not to mention my argument was still that hitler wasn't a nice person while you kept trying to say hitler was on a [I]personal [/I] level, as if being nice to people you like and being a murderous tyrant toward you don't suddenly makes you an overall nice person[/QUOTE] Where did you get that idea from?

[QUOTE=Swamplord;40450926]Where did you get that idea from?[/QUOTE] whoops the sole purpose was bad on my part lol meant to say he created a regime that mass exterminated certain people

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40450920]not to mention my argument was still that hitler wasn't a nice person while you kept trying to say hitler was on a [I]personal [/I] level, as if being nice to people you like and being a murderous tyrant toward you don't suddenly makes you an overall nice person[/QUOTE] Hitler was a bad person, I'll never deny that, but people forget that he was still a [I]person[/I], which is my point, not some kind of souless monster who was created only to kill and torture. And he certainly wasn't the worst human to have ever walked the Earth.

[QUOTE=Paramud;40449944]Apparently your entire life is valued by a math equation on how the end result of your existence affects those around you.[/QUOTE] answer the question instead of making a dumb quip [editline]27th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=T553412;40451032]Hitler was a bad person, I'll never deny that, but people forget that he was still a [I]person[/I][/QUOTE] why is it relevant [editline]27th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40450114]don't give a fuck about this argument but you're coming off as a huge cock lolwutdude[/QUOTE] shoe in for next moderator 4sure

If a guys seems nice on the outside, cooks very well and is very kind, but on the inside, thinks that every jew should be killed. Every religion replaced by their fucked up volkisch shit and more and more, it means he's a sociopath. And I dont know why people called me dumb when I said only interests exist. What, are you some kind of religious moral absolutist?

[QUOTE=thisispain;40451167]answer the question instead of making a dumb quip[/QUOTE] I can't, I disagree with the question's fucking stupid line of reasoning. You can not be wholly judged as a person just by how you affect your surroundings. If you want to know how someone who causes death and destruction on such a large scale can be considered literally "great," I'd recommend you look up the [URL="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/great#Adjective"]fucking definition[/URL] of it.

I wonder if she was around to see any of her friends die of food poisoning? If any of them died ofcourse.

God dammit, the direction this thread has taken just makes me think of this [img_thumb]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ntogwMAy1replr4o1_1280.jpg[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;40451231]If a guys seems nice on the outside, cooks very well and is very kind, but on the inside, [B]thinks that every jew should be killed[/B]. Every religion replaced by their fucked up volkisch shit and more and more, it means he's a sociopath. And I dont know why people called me dumb when I said only interests exist. What, are you some kind of religious moral absolutist?[/QUOTE] Fun Fact: One of Hitler's close friend and founder of the SS, Emil Maurice, was discovered to have Jewish ancestry very much to the delight of Himmler (presumably that he was jealous of the friendship shared by Hitler and his close friends). Himmler demanded his expulsion from the SS along with his brothers but Hitler persuaded or coerce Himmler to make an exception and let them (Maurice & his brothers) remain in the SS by sending him a personal letter. So it didn't necessarily meant that Hitler thinks that every jew should be killed. After all the original idea was to expel them out of Europe without killing them.

[QUOTE=Paramud;40451320]I can't, I disagree with the question's fucking stupid line of reasoning. You can not be wholly judged as a person just by how you affect your surroundings. If you want to know how someone who causes death and destruction on such a large scale can be considered literally "great," I'd recommend you look up the [URL="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/great#Adjective"]fucking definition[/URL] of it.[/QUOTE] by the context of the conversation you can infer he means the second not the first [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Swamplord;40451698]Fun Fact: One of Hitler's close friend and founder of the SS, Emil Maurice, was discovered to have Jewish ancestry very much to the delight of Himmler (presumably that he was jealous of the friendship shared by Hitler and his close friends). Himmler demanded his expulsion from the SS along with his brothers but Hitler persuaded or coerce Himmler to make an exception and let them (Maurice & his brothers) remain in the SS by sending him a personal letter. So it didn't necessarily meant that Hitler thinks that every jew should be killed. After all the original idea was to expel them out of Europe without killing them.[/QUOTE] hitler started talking about eradicating jews as a race in mein kampf

[QUOTE=thisispain;40451771] hitler started talking about eradicating jews as a race in mein kampf[/QUOTE] ok and? Did he mention in mein kampf he wanted every jew dead or proposed a mass extermination or genocide?

[QUOTE=Swamplord;40451858]ok and? Did he mention in mein kampf he wanted every jew dead or proposed a mass extermination or genocide?[/QUOTE] yeah he did

[QUOTE=thisispain;40451167]why is it relevant[/QUOTE] It's relevant to history. Even for you, who must hate him very much and seem to put all of the blame on him, some facts about him must be interesting no?

[QUOTE=Hellsten;40452073]seem to put all of the blame on him[/QUOTE] poor hitler all he wanted was some space for his doges he didnt know it would result in genocide

[QUOTE=thisispain;40451988]yeah he did[/QUOTE] Really? I don't seem to recall...care to point out where he said that? If you are kind enough :downs:

[QUOTE=Swamplord;40452113]Really? I don't seem to recall...care to point out where he said that? If you are kind enough :downs:[/QUOTE] read chapter 11 of mein kampf, he saw the genocide of jewish people as a humanitarian concept

[QUOTE=thisispain;40452187]read chapter 11 of mein kampf, he saw the genocide of jewish people as a humanitarian concept[/QUOTE] I think you misunderstood me? My point is that it didn't necessarily meant that Hitler thinks that [B]every [/B] jew should be killed and that he had plans for it to happen eventually. There wasn't any sufficient documented evidence to explicitly showed that. What you have stated is something that came out from your own inference(which I more or less agree btw)? Whether he saw the genocide of jewish people as a humanitarian concept or not isn't my point exactly. Again, did he mention in mein kampf that he wanted every jew dead or proposed a mass extermination or genocide? [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] Plus Mein Kampf is a book that contains exposition of his political ideology so he could have wrote anything to use it as a political tool to gain power.

thisispain the reason why it is important to distinguish hitler from actual psychopaths is because if we apply the "evil" tag to hitler then it prevents us from being reflective about our own behavior. hitler ordered the holocaust because he was "evil" and I am not "evil", so therefore I shouldn't worry about whether my own behavior contributes to oppression. the fact that hitler never personally oversaw the genocides is [I]important[/I] because it distinguishes him from people that got their hands dirty like ted bundy. you should know about things like the milgram experiment and the stanford prison experiment and their less well-known corollaries - when you're just signing a sheet of paper with figures about the estimate number of jews that will be annihilated on it, you can file it away and then go back to playing with your nephews like an ordinary human being. if hitler had to personally go up to every holocaust victim and shoot them in the head individually, he wouldn't be able to get past the first 20 or so. because he wasn't a psychopath. he was an ordinary guy with an ideology.

This thread in a nutshell [video=youtube;j44jb8hPWu8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44jb8hPWu8&bpctr=1367148334[/video]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40452325]thisispain the reason why it is important to distinguish hitler from actual psychopaths is because if we apply the "evil" tag to hitler then it prevents us from being reflective about our own behavior. hitler ordered the holocaust because he was "evil" and I am not "evil", so therefore I shouldn't worry about whether my own behavior contributes to oppression. the fact that hitler never personally oversaw the genocides is [I]important[/I] because it distinguishes him from people that got their hands dirty like ted bundy. you should know about things like the milgram experiment and the stanford prison experiment and their less well-known corollaries - when you're just signing a sheet of paper with figures about the estimate number of jews that will be annihilated on it, you can file it away and then go back to playing with your nephews like an ordinary human being. if hitler had to personally go up to every holocaust victim and shoot them in the head individually, he wouldn't be able to get past the first 20 or so. because he wasn't a psychopath. he was an ordinary guy with an ideology.[/QUOTE] this is your brain on sociology! [editline].[/editline] You guys do realize that DainBramage was joking, right?

[QUOTE=Paramud;40444414]They didn't use ovens to kill people, they used them to cremate the bodies.[/QUOTE] When the allies were getting really close to the camps, they just started shooting the people and/or put them in the ovens alive and then eventually leave. [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;40450089]a dick for authorizing atomic bombing against civilian cities but he's in no way whatsoever comparable to hitler oh my god, are we actually gonna argue now how hes similar to hitler lmao?[/QUOTE] An invasion of Japan would've cost more lives than throwing those atomic bombs.

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;40454703]When the allies were getting really close to the camps, they just started shooting the people and/or put them in the ovens alive and then eventually leave. [/QUOTE] No, no one did that. Mind link to the source? Nazis pretty much freed their own prisoners a month before the end of the war. Many books, autobiographies confirms that (For example : B.Sruoga Forest of the gods). Nazis were horrible people, but let's not fantasize things that didn't happen.

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;40454703]When the allies were getting really close to the camps, they just started shooting the people and/or put them in the ovens alive and then eventually leave.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_marches_(Holocaust)]Uh, no.[/url]