15 Year Old Boy Mugs Off Duty FBI-Agent, Gets Shot
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[QUOTE=dirty harry;24577483]I'm not sure about this.
Main reason being that the kid had turned and was running away - he no longer posed a threat to the officer so he wasn't acting in self defence when he shot him.
Being as the kid isn't dead, I wouldn't prosecute the officer.[/QUOTE]
Thankfully only Joe Citizen has to prove self defense when blowing someone away. People with badges can do it regardless.
To the people saying that police don't just shoot people who are waving a gun around, they probably [I]would[/I] use force if they refused to comply. If the kid who was running from the agent wanted to avoid getting shot, he would have complied with the agent (though we don't know if he was yelling after the kid or not, odds are he probably was. It would be odd to chase after someone without telling them to stop.) The way I see it, if you have are chasing a dangerous individual, and you have to power to stop them, and they refuse to comply with you, you have the right to use that power.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;24576301]Lets just say he inflicted a less, lethal injury on the boy. There are no vital organs stored in the leg and common sense in many people who know guns and video games would aim for the legs to bring down the person and at the same time have him alive and be tended to afterwards.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://msjensen.cehd.umn.edu/webanatomy/cardiovascular/cvs_ext_iliac_artery_2.jpg[/img]
See that big red line in the upper leg? That's your Femoral Artery. It carries a lot of blood. If that gets punctured, you will begin to lose that blood very quickly. If you lose that blood, you will die.
If you aim for the leg, you have just as much of a chance of killing them as you do with a shot to their torso.
Yep, remember in Black Hawk Down when one of the soldiers get shot in the pelvis, and dies of blood loss? Clipped the femoral artery.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24575725]not really because he'd probably sever the femoral artery and cause them to bleed out.
nonlethal shots don't exist, the closest place for a 'nonlethal shot' is your ass because it's a bunch of fat, no important organs or nerve endings.[/QUOTE]
actually there are a few pretty important nerves that run through that general area
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did someone just base their argument on computer games? wow jesus fucking christ i hope humanity is the first to go in the next mass extinction
I'm glad the fucker got shot.
Ha ha fuck you kid.
Seriously who would give a fuck if the dopey prick got shot in the femoral and spine and just bled out on the street?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;24576435]Can't blame the agent, he did the right thing, but it's still very sad.[/QUOTE]
The boy is still alive.
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[QUOTE=rossmum;24582815]actually there are a few pretty important nerves that run through that general area
[editline]04:39PM[/editline]
did someone just base their argument on computer games? wow jesus fucking christ i hope humanity is the first to go in the next mass extinction[/QUOTE]
Black hawk down is a film.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;24586508]Black hawk down is a film.[/QUOTE]
A film based on true events.
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24559568]It's better to let local enforcement take over instead of chasing the person and shooting him in the back. Most robbers don't use their firearms other than as a show of force. Sometimes it's better to just let them go and call the police. If the guy was still pointing the gun at the friend then I can understand shooting him, but he wasn't. He fled and was no longer an imminent threat. He got what he wanted and ran away.[/QUOTE]
Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back to your comment, now back to mine.
Sadly, it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could be like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, reading the comment you wish your comment could look like.
What did you post? Back to mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again.
This post is now DIAMONDS. Anything is possible when you think before you post.
I wouldn't go so far as to condemn the kid without knowing the backstory. What if the kid was stealing out of necessity?
I'm not saying that makes it okay, I'm just saying that not all crime goes without a proper motive.
[QUOTE=Athena;24576741]This is actually an extremely bad thing to do, in the eyes of the law.
When you fire a weapon, you shoot to kill. If you're purposefully trying not to kill, a court can find you guilty of acting with unreasonable force. Their argument is this: You're firing a weapon at someone who you have determined isn't enough of a threat to justify using lethal force.[/QUOTE]
Close, but not quite.
You shoot to "stop the threat". Which, as studies have shown, shooting center mass is not only a place where you are most likely to hit your suspect, but also is an area that is best to aim to "stop the threat" because, well, let's face it. It hurts to get hit there and is more likely to tell you "This is a bad idea". ;)
The lethality of stopping the threat is a side effect of the situation.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24574470]It fucking amazes me that the people arguing against this think that every cop has:
Super speed
Night vision
Eyes on the back of their head[/QUOTE]
Also real life is like movies and you should be able to do backflip and take down a guy with a gun pointed to your head
Either that or be able to pull out a gun and fire before a guy who already has one pointed at you or your friend
Why can't everyone do that?
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Fucking ridiculous
How can you think he has the upper hand just because he's an FBI agent? If someone came up behind you and stole your wallet and badge while having a loaded gun pointed straight at your head, you would let him go?
"Oh I'm sure he can't cause much damage it's fine whatever just someone going around fucking mugging people with a loaded gun. Not my problem."
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;24586508]The boy is still alive.
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Black hawk down is a film.[/QUOTE]
hello!
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;24576301]There are no vital organs stored in the leg and common sense in many people who know guns and video games would aim for the legs to bring down the person and at the same time have him alive and be tended to afterwards.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Destitide;24591171]I wouldn't go so far as to condemn the kid without knowing the backstory. What if the kid was stealing out of necessity?
I'm not saying that makes it okay, I'm just saying that not all crime goes without a proper motive.[/QUOTE]
Fuck him. Just because he doesn't have an allowance means its any less wrong to put a gun to someone's head and demand their money.
There IS NO proper motive for stealing other people's belongings.
[QUOTE=rossmum;24593100]hello![/QUOTE]
Good god.
The 15 year old deserved everything that happened to him.
what an idiot
[QUOTE=Source;24574271]I love how the mother does more complaining over the fact the agent shot him rather than being concerned with the fact her son was assisting in a mugging.........
also the FBI agent was well within his rights, people should be happy he was a good shot and managed a non lethal shot, i'm sure if it was just a cop he could have easily shot to kill.[/QUOTE]
Judging by the spread, I'd guess he was actually using an off-duty gun with an extremely short barrel.
Smaller pistols negate your skills as a marksman pretty quickly. The short barrel puts less spin on the bullet and the shorter distance between the sights makes your sight picture less accurate.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;24586508]The boy is still alive.[/QUOTE]
Ah nevermind it then, my bad.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;24597564]Good god.[/QUOTE]
this worries me
you think i'm arguing blackhawk down was a game? i was replying to the post i quoted there, which was referring to games. at no point did i refer to black hawk down.
sorry, i should've quoted that in the first place. clearly i was expecting too much of fp members, thinking they'd read the previous page.
It was dark and two armed people walked up to an FBI agent.
He shot.
Nobody died.
Sounds pretty clean to me, what's people moaning about?
someone getting what they deserve?
what a tragedy!
fuck. snip.
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