• 15 Year Old Boy Mugs Off Duty FBI-Agent, Gets Shot
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[QUOTE=GetBent;24558956]They found a pellet gun nearby the boy. So yes he was armed.[/QUOTE] That's not "armed". Armed = lethal or with a reasonable potential of being lethal. You aren't going to kill anyone with a pellet gun, you'll just make them go "Ow! Dick."
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24559052]The suspect fled, and he chased him down and shot him in the back. There's no reason to shoot someone like that in the back for stealing your possessions.[/QUOTE] jdk, i honestly usually share the same idea as you, but really, you can't see the situation of this? who knows how much money was stolen, let alone his BADGE those are usually untraceable and they tend to never find the lost items
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24559071]Nice to see nobody died. If you're shooting at some punk kid, don't aim for center mass. I think aiming for the shoulders would be good as it would likely disable their arms, and have less chance of killing them. Though in situations like this you can't necessarily do what is ideal.[/QUOTE] You'd be hard pressed to hit the shoulder of a target standing still, let alone while both the shooter and the target are in motion. It's an almost impossible shot, and is far more likely to miss the target entirely and possibly hit some innocent bystander.
[QUOTE=BBKF;24559024]Protip: Shoot for the knees if ever attacked by an intruder. [highlight]Unimaginable, crippling pain[/highlight], no major arteries struck, and most likely a perp easily controllable, [highlight]bleeding on your floor.[/highlight][/QUOTE] '[I][B]Pain and Damages[/B][/I]', my friend :allears:
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;24559089]That's not "armed". Armed = lethal or with a reasonable potential of being lethal. You aren't going to kill anyone with a pellet gun, you'll just make them go "Ow! Dick."[/QUOTE] He totally knew that the weapon pressed to his head was a pellet gun. It was a reasonable assumption, considering he said "I'm going to blow your head off".
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;24559089]That's not "armed". Armed = lethal or with a reasonable potential of being lethal. You aren't going to kill anyone with a pellet gun, you'll just make them go "Ow! Dick."[/QUOTE] how was the fbi agent supposed to know it was a pellet gun?
Walking up behind someone and pretending a pellet gun is a real gun and expecting nothing bad to happen. :downs: Little fuck got what he deserved.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;24559081]no i mean your initial shot is made to kill[/QUOTE] still incorrect. if i fire on an intruder i intend to stop him by aiming at his center of mass. i have no intention of killing him, just to stop the threat.
[QUOTE=Dolton;24559060]You feel a barrel of a gun against the back of your head. You hear the safety get flicked off. "Oh I know for a fact it is a 15 year old boy with a fake gun that looks exactly like a .45 caliber handgun. He poses no threat to anyone and I should just walk away :downs:"[/QUOTE] "Oh, this fifteen-year-old kid is running away from me as fast as he can. Clearly, he intends to kill me, so I better shoot him twice in the back." :downs:
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;24559089]That's not "armed". Armed = lethal or with a reasonable potential of being lethal. You aren't going to kill anyone with a pellet gun, you'll just make them go "Ow! Dick."[/QUOTE] And how will you know if its a bb or 135 grains of copper jacketed lead that just hit you in the back of the head? One will sting, the other you will never feel.
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24559052]The suspect fled, and he chased him down and shot him in the back. There's no reason to shoot someone like that in the back for stealing your possessions.[/QUOTE] But he just stole his FBI Badge
Any pictures of the robbers?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;24559114]"Oh, this fifteen-year-old kid is running away from me as fast as he can. Clearly, he intends to kill me, so I better shoot him twice in the back." :downs:[/QUOTE] "Oh this armed man is running away. He could possibly endanger the lives of others. I better let him run." :downs:
Hardly an impossible shot for an experienced shooter (anybody in the FBI, I'd hope, would have good training). Hitting somebody in the lower back or gut is likely to hit other people, too, as 9mm can easily pass through fleshy substances and still be at a dangerous velocity.
[QUOTE=Bman212;24559091]jdk, i honestly usually share the same idea as you, but really, you can't see the situation of this? who knows how much money was stolen, let alone his BADGE those are usually untraceable and they tend to never find the lost items[/QUOTE] There are many other ways of solving robbery cases than tracing things.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;24559114]"Oh, this fifteen-year-old kid is running away from me as fast as he can. Clearly, he intends to kill me, so I better shoot him twice in the back." :downs:[/QUOTE] You can't allow someone running around with a gun and [i]now[/i], a [u]Official FBI badge and identification[/u] mugging people
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;24559114]"Oh, this fifteen-year-old kid is running away from me as fast as he can. Clearly, he intends to kill me, so I better shoot him twice in the back." :downs:[/QUOTE] "I have night vision, can tell someone is 15 while they are standing behind me with a gun, he just threatened my life and stole my FBI identification and can now commit armed robbery, possibly murder across the city. No I shouldn't take a non-lethal, take down shot, I should just let him run away because Hey! it isn't my problem if some guy down the street gets shot in the head. Oh wait. Yes it is." :downs:
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24559146]Hardly an impossible shot for an experienced shooter (anybody in the FBI, I'd hope, would have good training). Hitting somebody in the lower back or gut is likely to hit other people, too, as 9mm can easily pass through fleshy substances and still be at a dangerous velocity.[/QUOTE] He most likely was using hollow points which expand upon impact. The "9mm goes right through people" is blown out of proportion bullshit.
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24559151]There are many other ways of solving robbery cases than tracing things.[/QUOTE] How? :allears:
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24559146]Hardly an impossible shot for an experienced shooter (anybody in the FBI, I'd hope, would have good training). Hitting somebody in the lower back or gut is likely to hit other people, too, as 9mm can easily pass through fleshy substances and still be at a dangerous velocity.[/QUOTE] That is why LEOs use hollow point rounds. Instead of passing through the target and on into who knows what, they impact, and then expand and stop inside the target. [IMG]http://www.gunblast.com/images/RKCampbell-CorBonTR/4.JPG[/IMG]
[QUOTE=IStanI;24558720]Defend yourself or defend your material possessions? The suspects were fleeing.[/QUOTE] Hahaha he's a bloodthirsty American who wants to destroy the world and kill all Muslims plus he works for the FBI so he's spying on your every move even when you touch yourself at night hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24558974]you do not shoot you wound, you do not shoot to kill. you shoot to STOP. getting shot in the leg nets a very decent chance you sever that big old artery running through the middle and the guy will bleed out before getting to the hospital let alone jail.[/QUOTE] Well if the kid was charging at me yeah, I would shoot for the chest or the head. The thing is, the kid was running away, so it would make more sense to place a shot in a more low-risk area.
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24559162]He most likely was using hollow points which expand upon impact. The "9mm goes right through people" is blown out of proportion bullshit.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? I thought it was supposed to be 5.7mm that had those magical properties
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24559146]Hardly an impossible shot for an experienced shooter (anybody in the FBI, I'd hope, would have good training). Hitting somebody in the lower back or gut is likely to hit other people, too, as 9mm can easily pass through fleshy substances and still be at a dangerous velocity.[/QUOTE] there's no way 9mm is going to hit a target, go through his entire body (assuming it doesn't hit an organ or a bone or some shit) and then have enough force to exit and still be dangerous. and he's probably using hollowpoints.
the guy threatened him with a firearm, and ran away with the badge + wallet. do you guys know how much authority you guys can have for having an authentic badge and ID of an FBI agent? The FBI agent, you know, someone who enforces the law as well, got his shit stoled, thought the criminal was armed, and have an FBI badge, then shot him. noting went wrong here on the FBI's part.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24558643]Well they stole his shit, and were mugging him. You have a right to defend yourself.[/QUOTE] He's a fucking FBI agent, he should be able to take down a 15 year old.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24559186]Wait, what? I thought it was supposed to be 5.7mm that had those magical properties[/QUOTE] Nonono, 5.7 is teflon coated cop killer bullets that go right through bullet proof vests:smug:
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24559162]He most likely was using hollow points which expand upon impact. The "9mm goes right through people" is blown out of proportion bullshit.[/QUOTE] True... for law enforcement at least. Any FMJ 9mm will go through it's target, but police probably won't use those most of the time. It's a bit of a shame that a better alternative can't be used.
[QUOTE=BagMinge101;24559184]Well if the kid was charging at me yeah, I would shoot for the chest or the head. The thing is, the kid was running away, so it would make more sense to place a shot in a more low-risk area.[/QUOTE] you can't expect police/fbi to reasonably do their jobs like this. the center of mass is the easiest target to hit and it also puts people down real fast. it's just not something that can be constantly done in these situations. and there's very few areas you can hit that are 'low-risk'.
I'd say that's a good call. You can't have a crazed gun-man running around, or so what the agent thought.
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