Police Shoot and Kill Fleeing Man Armed with Rocks - Caught on Video - Polidicks

Related info: the guy has a history of assault, including trying to forcibly take an officer's firearm. The cops aren't man handling the guy for a reason. Edit: also domestic violence and meth use.

Yeah, but was really killing him necessary?

Facepunch seems to be getting this strange and unhealthy mentality that the police are always right and questioning their actions makes you an "edgy anti cop fag" I don't think I need to say why blindly accepting someones actions just because they have a higher authority is a bad idea :v:

[QUOTE=puppy156;47132683]Yeah, but was really killing him necessary?[/QUOTE] should have thrown a rock at his leg

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669]. . . so it would be never "safe" in to get closer to him by your logic.[/QUOTE] Okay, good, we're at an understanding! They couldn't have approached him, therefore they should have stayed back and attempted to negotiate or stood their ground, at which point if the man had charged them they could have responded on even footing and with proper reaction times! Oh, wait, you wrote more. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669]This guy already threw one rock at the cops and ignores the fact they have guns, you don't know what he's gonna do.[/QUOTE] I know! He could have... [I]Thrown a second rock![/I] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669]They won't risk that he's going to hurt more people, take a hostage, whatever. [/QUOTE] [I]"Listen to me, lady, I've got a rock, and if you move, I'll rub it really fast against your skin so you get a rash."[/I] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669]They wanted to throw him to the ground, that's why they were chasing him.[/QUOTE] So here you throw everything you said away. They distinctly stopped. If they wanted to tackle the man, they'd have continued running and tackled him. Tackling tends to involve the continuation of momentum until you reach the thing you want to tackle. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669]That way he would not be able to throw it and because there was 3 of them they would be able to restrain him.[/QUOTE] He'd not have been able to throw the rock either way. If they hadn't suddenly stopped (the second of two mistakes, the first being to not fucking run at a guy who can apparently instantly kill you with a ninja rock), they'd have immediately knocked him over and arrested him normally. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669]They did what they could that didn't involve putting themselves in a situation where one of their skulls might be cracked open.[/QUOTE] Except they did? It is on video that they very explicitly, according to you, entered a situation where one of their skulls 'might have been cracked open'? Explicitly lying is a bit rich.

[QUOTE=puppy156;47132683]Yeah, but was really killing him necessary?[/QUOTE] No, it was avoidable if the police officers were willing to risk serious head injury. I would applaud them had they done that but I can't demand it from them.

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712]Okay, good, we're at an understanding! They couldn't have approached him, therefore they should have stayed back and attempted to negotiate or stood their ground.[/QUOTE] The man doesn't speak a lot of English and, given his history, was probably high on meth.

Do you mind sharing the source of this?

[QUOTE=Zero!;47132732]Do you mind sharing the source of this?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2015/02/11/3405116_man-shot-by-pasco-police-identified.html?rh=1[/url] It is actually linked by the article in the OP.

American police are pretty crap

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712]Okay, good, we're at an understanding! They couldn't have approached him, therefore they should have stayed back and attempted to negotiate or stood their ground, at which point if the man had charged them they could have responded on even footing and with proper reaction times! Oh, wait, you wrote more.[/QUOTE] We're talking about a guy who thinks throwing rocks at cops who have their guns drawn is a good idea. It's pretty clear that he's not thinking straight. He's completely unpredictable. Assuming you can predict what a crazy/high person is going to do gets people killed. I would agree with you here if he was cornered. But he wasn't. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712]I know! He could have... [I]Thrown a second rock![/I][/QUOTE] As in you don't know if he's not going to attack the first person that gets in his way or that he doesn't pull a knife and then take a hostage. You assume you know what his plan is and what he has on him. Stop it. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712][I]"Listen to me, lady, I've got a rock, and if you move, I'll rub it really fast against your skin so you get a rash."[/I][/QUOTE] There's a guy running around fucking things up clearly high/crazy. You don't know if he doesn't have a different weapon. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712]So here you throw everything you said away. They distinctly stopped. If they wanted to tackle the man, they'd have continued running and tackled him. Tackling tends to involve the continuation of momentum until you reach the thing you want to tackle. He'd not have been able to throw the rock either way. If they hadn't suddenly stopped (the second of two mistakes, the first being to not fucking run at a guy who can apparently instantly kill you with a ninja rock), they'd have immediately knocked him over and arrested him normally. [/QUOTE] They distinctly stopped because he was intentionally stopping and he wasn't giving up. Like it's been said earlier in the thread, there have been occurrences of suspects pulling a gun when being chased. You want them to throw themselves at someone who intentionally stopped to do something (that isn't surrendering)? In contrast to throwing him to the ground themselves while he's running because if he's running he can't use the thing even if he would manage to pull it out. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712]guy who can apparently instantly kill you with a ninja rock[/QUOTE] Just stop with this bullshit please it's really tiresome. He turned around and he needed less than a second more to throw it. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;47132712]Except they did? It is on video that they very explicitly, according to you, entered a situation where one of their skulls 'might have been cracked open'? Explicitly lying is a bit rich.[/QUOTE] No they didn't. That's the point. They were about to enter that situation but they never allowed it. Unfortunately by shooting the guy. They would have entered that situation if they would let him throw it.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;47132702]Facepunch seems to be getting this strange and unhealthy mentality that the police are always right and questioning their actions makes you an "edgy anti cop fag"[/QUOTE] When people say things like 'authoritarian cops executed a man as he was running away' to describe a video where police tried to non-lethally subdue a guy who had a history of violent confrontation (including trying to steal an officer's handgun during a subdual), failed because he was probably on meth, and then shot him when he suddenly stopped running away and turned towards them, it's not hard to see why there's a backlash. You can say that the cops were unjustified and in the wrong without outright making stuff up to accuse them with. People defend the cops when others paint them as goose-stepping power-tripping fascists, not when people accuse them of unreasonable overreaction.

[QUOTE=GunFox;47132740][url]http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2015/02/11/3405116_man-shot-by-pasco-police-identified.html?rh=1[/url] It is actually linked by the article in the OP.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the link. I didn't see links in the article. There is alot of information in the source you linked that explain why the police were careful about closing on to the subject. Like you stated he was known to have used meth and probably was on it during this incident. He previously did resist arrest quite violently. He even has a protection order against him for threatening a family. This man clearly was not safe to approach without extensive caution. With that said, one would think that the police would be trained in handling these kind of situation. If not arresting him imminently but atleast get the situation under their control and call/wait for backup if needed. I'm not saying they didn't do that, since they first tried to approach the suspect and try to talk to him to which he replied by throwing rocks. They then proceeded to try and get him under control by tazing him which did not work. I just feel they jump to the gun to quickly. The next approach in my opinion would be to tactically try to overman him in manpower by having several officers approach him from different directions. I know Silly Sil keeps saying that the suspect could theoretically severely hurt or even kill a officer with his rock. Which in my opinion seems like such a small chance in this situation. But a police officer has signed up for a job, and he knows the risk. Ofcouse they are not meant to "throw" there life away, but i feel in this situation the risk is so low that it wouldn't matter.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132245]Stop with these fucking strawmen please. First it was "for carrying a rock" now for "suspicion of carrying a rock". He was shot for attempting to throw the rock at the cops. Nothing more nothing less. Stop twisting it. [/QUOTE] apologists like you make me physically ill

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[QUOTE=Zero!;47132846]I know Silly Sil keeps saying that the suspect could theoretically severely hurt or even kill a officer with his rock. Which in my opinion seems like such a small chance in this situation. But a police officer has signed up for a job, and he knows the risk. Ofcouse they are not meant to "throw" there life away, but i feel in this situation the risk is so low that it wouldn't matter.[/QUOTE] Ultimately the decision to either take the risk of your own injury (and how likely that risk is) to make sure the suspect isn't hurt instead is up to the cop that feels threatened. I'd like if they had risked it. But I won't demand it from them.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;47132669] You have to be a fucking ninja assassin to hit a watermelon with a rock from 3 meters?[/QUOTE] No. To the degree that it would kill them in one hit that would regard the rock and himself as lethal? Definitely yes.

cowards a lot of police attitudes nowadays seem to be to intimidate the people rather than to help them you guys are basically saying - "oh, he threw rocks at a police car? he should be shot 6 times at point blank as he's running away." it doesn't matter what his history is, the punishment doesn't fit the crime and none of those cops lives were in any danger at all lmao. i'd honestly feel more safe if the fucking marines were acting as my police force instead, at least they have some semblance of respect

The amount of Anti-America in here is comical. You guys get your nationalism out of the way for today?

Cops in my area will try to get you to run if you walk at night, at least that's what I think they try to do. As they speed passed me several times when I walk late, but I never run. I honestly think they would hit me with their vehicle and say they found me that way, if they said anything at all.

[QUOTE=clc666;47133163]Cops in my area will try to get you to run if you walk at night, at least that's what I think they try to do. As they speed passed me several times when I walk late, but I never run. I honestly think they would hit me with their vehicle and say they found me that way, if they said anything at all.[/QUOTE] Why would you randomly start running from a police car?

[QUOTE=butt2089;47133178]Why would you randomly start running from a police car?[/QUOTE] Because it's late, and it's easier to just hide than be questioned in a ditch at 2-3 am for 30 minutes. But I don't run. I used to but only because I was underage with a curfew.

I was wondering when this would show up here as it happened a few days ago. Pasco is a really shitty place (at least east Pasco where this happened) so I wasn't really surprised. Lewis street in particular is a shit hole. So far there have been really peaceful protests and the cops have been giving them all the space they need. There's supposed to be another one tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;47133040]No. To the degree that it would kill them in one hit that would regard the rock and himself as lethal? Definitely yes.[/QUOTE] You're saying that you can't cause serious head injury with a fist-sized rock from 3 meters. Do you really believe that? Send me a vid where your friend throws a fist-sized rock at your head from 3 meters and I will admit I was wrong. As to the chance of getting serious head injury [QUOTE=Silly Sil;47133014]Ultimately the decision to either take the risk of your own injury (and how likely that risk is) to make sure the suspect isn't hurt instead is up to the cop that feels threatened. I'd like if they had risked it. But I won't demand it from them.[/QUOTE] [editline]13th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=raypersons;47133066]cowards a lot of police attitudes nowadays seem to be to intimidate the people rather than to help them you guys are basically saying - [B]"oh, he threw rocks at a police car? he should be shot 6 times at point blank as he's running away."[/B] it doesn't matter what his history is, the punishment doesn't fit the crime and none of those cops lives were in any danger at all lmao. i'd honestly feel more safe if the fucking marines were acting as my police force instead, at least they have some semblance of respect[/QUOTE] Nobody ever said that and it never happened. Maybe you have replied to a wrong thread.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;47132702]Facepunch seems to be getting this strange and unhealthy mentality that the police are always right and questioning their actions makes you an "edgy anti cop fag" I don't think I need to say why blindly accepting someones actions just because they have a higher authority is a bad idea :v:[/QUOTE] thats obviously not the case cause there's a big argument going on and everybody isn't just agreeing with each other

Surprised how few casualties occurred during the whole wall street shit, and pretty much any protest since in which some protesters started tossing rocks. Obviously people should start wearing protective helmets. People carry weapons in case they get shot at, wear Kevlar vests in case they get shot, might as well start wearing helmets in case people start throwing rocks at you, or in case you fall over and knock your head. If rocks really are a threat you can justify lethal force against,m then why aren't police equipped with helmets?

[QUOTE=raypersons;47133066]cowards a lot of police attitudes nowadays seem to be to intimidate the people rather than to help them [B]you guys are basically saying - "oh, he threw rocks at a police car? he should be shot 6 times at point blank as he's running away."[/b] it doesn't matter what his history is, the punishment doesn't fit the crime and none of those cops lives were in any danger at all lmao. i'd honestly feel more safe if the fucking marines were acting as my police force instead, at least they have some semblance of respect[/QUOTE] Jeez no one is "basically" saying that, these posts are getting ridiculous: [QUOTE=Killuah;47132198]You are advocating a dude with rocks being shot the way we saw it in the video.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;47132328]by your logic, anything that even remotely grades on the scale of "might hurt you" deserves death by firing squad [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;47132088]By this logic criminals holding mobiles should also be shot[/QUOTE]

Why didn't they just overrun him once he stopped? "Oh, he stopped! Fast, shoot the shit out of him!" They could've just shot him in the fucking leg when he was running instead.

[QUOTE=Zovox;47133363]Why didn't they just overrun him once he stopped? "Oh, he stopped! Fast, shoot the shit out of him!" They could've just shot him in the fucking leg when he was running instead.[/QUOTE] Shooting in the leg can be just as lethal as shooting someone anywhere else in the body.

[QUOTE=Zovox;47133363]Why didn't they just overrun him once he stopped? "Oh, he stopped! Fast, shoot the shit out of him!" They could've just shot him in the fucking leg when he was running instead.[/QUOTE] Shooting somebody in the thigh or leg can be just as lethal if a major vessel or vessels are damaged.