• White couple have car blocked, and are attacked by ten black youths - called "cracker" "White Whore"
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596273]NOBODY IS DOING THAT. NOBODY ON TUMBLR SAYS "ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST". [/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fZ7Mzgo.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GI3o4mU.png[/IMG] ???
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596273]NOBODY IS DOING THAT. NOBODY ON TUMBLR SAYS "ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST". NOBODY ARGUES THAT WHITE PEOPLE DESERVE RACISM. ALL OF THIS SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS [i]MADE UP SHIT.[/i][/QUOTE] 'cept my post wasn't saying that and you're literally complaining about made up shit.
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[QUOTE=Aphtonites;42596350][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fZ7Mzgo.png[/IMG] ?????[/QUOTE] I completely agree with this image. It expresses the belief that, as opposed to what people believed earlier, racism is more than just a belief, it can also be a behavior and that people can be prejudiced without intentionally subscribing to a racist ideology and that good, honest people who don't have any prejudice of their own can unknowingly perpetuate racism when they become part of and carry out the will of racist institutions (like the prison-industrial complex, for example). I honestly don't see what that's so objectionable about that that you felt the need to post it here as an example of "crazy tumblr shit."
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42596278]But be sure to keep us up to date on any wacky Tumblr posters Bloody Sigma, you're on my list. Just you wait I'm going to make sarcastic jokes about you!!![/QUOTE] can you please stop? look, I'm sorry for blowing this out of proportion and pointlessly ranting about tumblr
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596273]NOBODY IS DOING THAT. NOBODY ON TUMBLR SAYS "ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST". NOBODY ARGUES THAT WHITE PEOPLE DESERVE RACISM. ALL OF THIS SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS [i]MADE UP SHIT.[/i] [/QUOTE] Your caps lock key broken or something?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596394]I completely agree with this image. It expresses the belief that, as opposed to what people believed earlier, racism is more than just a belief, it can also be a behavior and that good, honest people who don't have any prejudice of their own can unknowingly perpetuate racism when they become part of and carry out the will of racist institutions (like the prison-industrial complex, for example). I honestly don't see what that's so objectionable about that that you felt the need to post it here as an example of "crazy tumblr shit."[/QUOTE] I think he was pointing out how it completely pins racism as something only whites can perpetrate. The again its using a definition of racism made by a black academic to sell books about how blacks are oppressed. Great job though because you just contradicted yourself. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596273][B]NOBODY IS DOING THAT. NOBODY ON TUMBLR SAYS "ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST"[/B]. NOBODY ARGUES THAT WHITE PEOPLE DESERVE RACISM. ALL OF THIS SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS [i]MADE UP SHIT.[/i] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42596434]I think he was pointing out how it completely pins racism as something only whites can perpetrate. [B]The again its using a definition of racism made by a black academic to sell books about how blacks are oppressed.[/B] [/QUOTE] lol if you think "a black person came up with it" somehow discounts a theory then do I ever have a word to describe you. Hint: it starts with an "r" and it's not "rubenesque."
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596476]lol if you think "a black person came up with it" somehow discounts a theory then do I ever have a word to describe you. Hint: it starts with an "r" and it's not "rubenesque."[/QUOTE] You really are daft aren't you? You argued whites naturally and subconsciously advance their own agenda (that's what I implied there but for a black man toward his own race) I was just pointing out that it helped him sell books that advanced his agenda which in turn sells more books! Not hard to figure out really is it?
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42596512]You really are daft aren't you? You argued whites naturally and subconsciously advance their own agenda [/QUOTE] No I didn't, partly because there is no such thing as a "white agenda". I argued that people, anyone, can be racist (by perpetrating racist actions) without consciously subscribing to a racist belief system. And claiming that a theory of social critique should be held up to extra scrutiny because it in some way advances the interest of an adherent is crazy because literally all human communication is meant to advance some sort of ideology.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;42596350][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fZ7Mzgo.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GI3o4mU.png[/IMG] ???[/QUOTE] wtf, i keep reading these posts that imply as if tumblr people unanimously agreed that white people can't be attacked by other PoC's and that it's not racist if they did or other intense strawmanning and the best you guys came up with are two dudes debating their own definition of racism is different than racial prejudice? lmao
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596582]No I didn't, partly because there is no such thing as a "white agenda". I argued that people, anyone, can be racist (by perpetrating racist actions) without consciously subscribing to a racist belief system. And claiming that a theory of social critique should be held up to extra scrutiny because it in some way advances the interest of an adherent is crazy because literally all human communication is meant to advance some sort of ideology.[/QUOTE] "I like your shirt!" (Muahahahha, first, her shirt, then, the world!!)
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42596626]"I like your shirt!" (Muahahahha, first, her shirt, then, the world!!)[/QUOTE] Expressing that you find something tasteful expresses an aesthetic ideology.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42596268]But "Tumblr" isn't a person or a single opinion You're also not criticizing anything, just pointing out that they believe wacky things so everyone can have a good chuckle at the silly Tumblr Feminists™. Mockery isn't criticism, sorry to say[/QUOTE] Thats what these threads usually devolve into. Crazy Tumblr Posters are equally targets of ridicule as they are sources for information on a given topic. Actually talking about nuanced topics like gender, sex or race is difficult because ones world view might be challenged. It's much easier to simply grab screenshots of out of context Tumblr posts from someone elses website to establish a strawman that you can compare your obviously superior logic to.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596582]No I didn't, partly because there is no such thing as a "white agenda". [B]I argued that people, anyone, can be racist (by perpetrating racist actions) without consciously subscribing to a racist belief system.[/B] And claiming that a theory of social critique should be held up to extra scrutiny because it in some way advances the interest of an adherent is crazy because literally all human communication is meant to advance some sort of ideology.[/QUOTE] I was explaining how the guy had an obvious agenda and his "social critique" should be treated with the same respect one would grant to a theory criticizing blacks. I'm glad you moved on from calling me racist to actually form a argument but you must realise that definition of racism is completely one sided and pushes black on white incidents from racism into prejudice which gets next to no discussion. This thread is that mentality in action with it being a rare opportunity to discuss black on white problems and you want to talk about white on black racism instead. The bolded part is again a contradiction, you agreed with the image Aphtonites posted that said "only whites can be racist" yet now you are saying any race can be racist. I think we are essentially arguing the same thing; that racism exists both ways. I'm just frustrated that this thread got diverted into the same debate we have every thread that involves race. How about we move on and talk about the statistics I posted on the last page in regards to race based crime? That would be far more topical.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42596611]wtf, i keep reading these posts that imply as if tumblr people unanimously agreed that white people can't be attacked by other PoC's and that it's not racist if they did or other intense strawmanning and the best you guys came up with are two dudes debating their own definition of racism is different than racial prejudice? lmao[/QUOTE] The second pic even defeats his own argument because it clearly says that individual instances of prejudicial or discriminatory behavior can be perpetrated against whites by minorities but it's not institutional racism.
[QUOTE=dvc;42594929]according to tumblr racism against whites is 'okay' because of their ancestors actions also all whites have an inherit urge to be racist also you shouldn't use the term Caucasian because it's offensive to PoCs or some shit yet it's also offensive to call an African black. I can link the post where this is said I'm not even kidding[/QUOTE] aaaand this is why there's a big argument. People keep trying to use the new as a political weapon to combat the imaginary argument that white people are immune to racism in all forms. Interesting how a post like this: [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42595366]Why are you trying to stir the pot further?[/QUOTE] never gets made for the people creating the arguments in the first place
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42596727]I'm just frustrated that this thread got diverted into the same debate we have every thread that involves race.[/QUOTE] There is no real debate in this thread though. It's just people arguing against the Tumblr Strawman (trademark raidyr 2013) and other people calling out how ridiculous that is. [editline]21st October 2013[/editline] A couple of posters make out of left field posts about how black people can't be racist against white people, a position that maybe .02% of people actually hold. When others point out that this isn't actually nearly an accepted position the reply is "but people on tumblr!". It's absurd.
[QUOTE=SirDavid255;42590918]What the hell. Why?[/QUOTE] Because that's the basic mentality when you get hood rats into a group. Do they ever do anything positive? Very god damn rarely. Maybe for their gang against another
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42596727]The bolded part is again a contradiction, you agreed with the image Aphtonites posted that said "only whites can be racist" yet now you are saying any race can be racist. [/QUOTE] Ok I responded to a bunch of different claims in your post but I decided to edit all that out so as to focus on this specific reply. I genuinely misspoke and I apologize for the confusion that that caused. Let me explain, very clearly, what I believe. I believe that any member of any race can be racist, but that white people cannot ever be the victims of racism (they can only be the victims of prejudice). That is because I subscribe to the belief that racism and prejudice are separate things and that what racism is (contrary to the antiquated dictionary definition) is a system. In the United States white people are the only demographic group with enough social and political power for prejudice to actually manifest itself into actual (meaningful and statistically significant) discrimination and the systems which realize that discrimination are the singular "racism" that exists in this country. I'd be happy to argue with anyone about the nuances of this view but [i]only if they make an honest attempt to actually understand them.[/i]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596907]I genuinely misspoke and I apologize for the confusion that that caused. Let me explain, very clearly, what I believe. I believe that any member of any race can be racist, but that white people cannot ever be the victims of racism (they can only be the victims of prejudice). That is because I subscribe to the belief that racism and prejudice are separate things and that what racism is (contrary to the antiquated dictionary definition) is a system. In the United States white people are the only demographic group with enough social and political power for prejudice to actually manifest itself into actual (meaningful and statistically significant) discrimination and the systems which realize that discrimination are the singular "racism" that exists in this country. I'd be happy to argue with anyone about the nuances of this view but [i]only if they make an honest attempt to actually understand them.[/i][/QUOTE] Yeah, if people actually read things properly I don't understand what this argument would be about other than terminology. People see something like "only white people can be racist" and go HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THIS FUCKER and totally skip over the rest. [QUOTE=benwaddi;42596221][QUOTE]Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] I'm sure this has nothing to do with many of them growing up in shitty urban communities.
Affirmative action should target the poor instead of minorities. [QUOTE=Splarg!;42596984] I'm sure this has nothing to do with many of them growing up in shitty urban communities.[/QUOTE] Black on White hate crimes are prevalent. Why do people keep denying this?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42597076] Black on White hate crimes are prevalent. Why do people keep denying this?[/QUOTE] No, black on white crime is statistically significant. Characterizing all black on white crime as "hate crimes," however, is statistically untrue.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42597102]No, black on white crime is statistically significant. [B]Characterizing all black on white crime as "hate crimes," however, is statistically untrue.[/B][/QUOTE] There was a south park episode on that. Good watch.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;42596984]I'm sure this has nothing to do with many of them growing up in shitty urban communities.[/QUOTE] More whites are in poverty than blacks, granted there are more whites so you would expect a slightly higher rate but 39 times higher? That statistic also raises the question if hate crimes statistics are being slightly skewered against whites. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;42597076]Affirmative action should target the poor instead of minorities.[/QUOTE] Which would help the minorities that struggle with the poor quality education and poverty they are often forced into.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42597120]More whites are in poverty than blacks, granted there are more whites so you would expect a slightly higher rate but 39 times higher? That statistic also raises the question if hate crimes statistics are being slightly skewered against whites. Which would help the minorities that struggle with the poor quality education and poverty they are often forced into.[/QUOTE] To be honest he's not arguing that affirmative action should not help minorities, but mostly about the fact that it might be wrong to target at minorities as opposed to at people who are in need of it, whether they are part of minorities or not.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42597120]More whites are in poverty than blacks, granted there are more whites so you would expect a slightly higher rate but 39 times higher? [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb11-157.html"]I don't know where the number 39 came from but it's completely made up.[/URL] In the United States, the poverty rate for non-hispanic whites is 9.9% and the poverty rate for black people is 27.4%. The amount of poverty as a percentage of the demographic's population at large is the only value that matters here. You really gotta check the validity of whatever information people just throw at you.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42597114]There was a south park episode on that. Good watch.[/QUOTE] South Park is funny but keep in mind that it's written by the kind of guys who find liberalism just as bad as conservatism, which is dumb no matter how you look at it
[QUOTE=Cone;42597242]South Park is funny but keep in mind that it's written by the kind of guys who find liberalism just as bad as conservatism, which is dumb no matter how you look at it[/QUOTE] Its a show designed to make fun of everyone and anyone in any and every way they can, while at the same time providing comic relief and social commentary with a story that starts with "How would world event X look through the eyes of a fourth grader?"
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42596907]Ok I responded to a bunch of different claims in your post but I decided to edit all that out so as to focus on this specific reply. that white people cannot ever be the victims of racism (they can only be the victims of prejudice). That is because I subscribe to the belief that racism and prejudice are separate things and that what racism is (contrary to the antiquated dictionary definition) is a system.[/QUOTE] "the dictionary definition of racism doesn't match my opinion of what racism is, therefore i am going to redefine it so that i can backpedal my argument into place" [editline]21st October 2013[/editline] are you saying white people cant be victims of racism across the world?
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