White couple have car blocked, and are attacked by ten black youths - called "cracker" "White Whore"
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[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42597617]I really don't think anyone is honestly offended by it
Even after I learned the origin and how it implies I'm a slave owner / descendent of slave owners it's still like whatever[/QUOTE]
One of my superiors at my old job always called/calls me cracker, next time I see him I will have to call him out on his black on white prejudice :v:
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42597605]Jeep-Eep stop giving revenge dumbs if you're arguing with the person. You seem so fucking petty.
[editline]21st October 2013[/editline]
It doesn't really bother me that much but it makes me think you're a child.[/QUOTE]
He always does this whenever you talk about social ills like racism and sexism. It's funny because his actual posts are dumb as shit.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;42597844]He always does this whenever you talk about social ills like racism and sexism. It's funny because his actual posts are dumb as shit.[/QUOTE]
He man, he's a good poster about games and shite and his heart's in the right place.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42597700]Hey guy, you're using statistics to support part of your argument and then ignoring any other statistic which disagrees with your argument because it must be "untrustworthy".
That's bad fucking form dude. You can't do that shit while pretending to be "objective." If you came up with a sound critique of an individual statistic and then demonstrated that the statistics that support your argument all hold water when held to the exact same standard then you might be able to do that but you're not and you won't.[/QUOTE]
So black on white violence happens 39 times more than white on black yet has a massively lower rate of being labelled a hate crime, if that is not a bias then what is it?
You are arguing the same shit you would ignore when discussing the black incarceration rate.
So how about you actually prove me wrong on the rest of the post instead of dodging the argument.
You can't can you? Because its a problem and you won't let yourself admit blacks cause an abnormal amount of race based violence.
And [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States#Classification_of_crimes_committed_against_Caucasians"]here's[/URL] the debates about the hate crime statistics.
*in a really high pitched voice* hey, we're all so threatened by this guy's posts about racism that we're going to be super dismissive of him so we don't feel so dumb when we don't understand what he's saying.
hey man, your posts about race are dumb. my argument to "watch more south park" is a far superior critique of race relations in America. comedy has good insights about our human condition, especially teh part where the asian guy is like "stop tearing down my shitty wall", fucker
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42597967]*in a really high pitched voice* hey, we're all so threatened by this guy's posts about racism that we're going to be super dismissive of him so we don't feel so dumb when we don't understand what he's saying.
hey man, your posts about race are dumb. my argument to "watch more south park" is a far superior critique of race relations in America. comedy has good insights about our human condition, especially teh part where the asian guy is like "stop tearing down my shitty wall", fucker[/QUOTE]
The problem is, you're arguing a point that creates a double standard.
You know how much is solved with double standards.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42597636]Except you can infer the race in power here is Caucasian [i]because this is the United States were talking here*[/QUOTE]
Black president and a fair share of black congressmen? In the US its money that decides who's powerful, your race doesn't matter.
Because of history blacks are just poorer.
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Where did you get this idea of "Its completely ok to racist to the majority ethnic group" anyway? It makes no sense, racism is bad no matter which race it goes against or goes in favor of. Discrimination exists but for wealthier people its very limited.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42597926]So black on white violence happens 39 times more than white on black yet has a massively lower rate of being labelled a hate crime, if that is not a bias then what is it? [/QUOTE]
whatever it is should be demonstrable instead of what you're doing which is drawing the conclusion you specifically want out of an infinite range of possibilities
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42597926]You are arguing the same shit you would ignore when discussing the black incarceration rate.
So how about you actually prove me wrong on the rest of the post instead of dodging the argument.
You can't can you? Because its a problem and you won't let yourself admit blacks cause an abnormal amount of race based violence.[/QUOTE]
I'm not ignoring the incarceration rate. I explain the higher rate of incarceration for blacks as heavily the product of systemic racism against black people.
[URL="https://www.aclu.org/fair-sentencing-act"]For one example (out of countless others)[/URL]: for years in the united states, there was a sentencing disparity between pure cocaine (a drug primarily used by affluent whites) and crack cocaine (a drug used primarily by urban black people) of 1 to 100. Even after the Fair Sentencing Act, the penalties for possession of Crack are an order of magnitude worse than they are for possessing (when dosage is taken in account) equivalent amounts cocaine despite the fact that [I]they are the same drug.[/I]
This is an example of systemic racism. Even though race is not explicitly part of the laws that that create this disparity, black people are put at a significant disadvantage because of it. I could list racist social factors which lead to A: the poverty in the black population which inevitably lead to crime and B: the discrimination in the justice system which disproportionately punishes blacks all day if you want me to.
Whatever my explanation is, it's a million times better than your "let me mention the incarceration rate of black people over and over but never actually go the length to try to explain it myself" "explanation".
[editline]21st October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42598038]Black president and a fair share of black congressmen? In the US its money that decides who's powerful, your race doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
lol "fair share"
Guess how many black senators there are right now. Go ahead.
Two. As of a few years ago the record was one.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42591547]idk why this is major news. we don't have an article for every time any PoC is called a racial slur, but this is somehow a big deal?
not to say it isnt a bad thing, but why does this need to be circulated as if it is "news"?[/QUOTE]
if a bunch of white people jumped two black people, it'd be the biggest thing since the Trayvon case. why shouldn't this be big?
[QUOTE=Splarg!;42597694]I'm not totally sold on what words should be used for what either, although (and this is related to my other post) I noticed that a lot of historical discussions about [b]race[/b] were people making arguments for government sponsored segregation and such.[/QUOTE]
That's because people believe, due to their racism, that a government should enact institutionalised racist methods.
The thing is, plain racism is just a general term which encompasses both systems (racist systems) as well as racism amongst individuals or mere personal beliefs.
It also doesn't entirely matter if the intent is protective, negative or some other. Likewise in order to be a racist you do not have to be in power. In order to be able to enact racist systems though, you do have to have some notion of power or influence on said power.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42598038]Black president and a fair share of black congressmen? In the US its money that decides who's powerful, your race doesn't matter.
Because of history blacks are just poorer.[/quote]
'History' is still ongoing dude. Look up incarceration rates and school quality for a starter.
[quote]Where did you get this idea of "Its completely ok to racist to the majority ethnic group" anyway? It makes no sense, racism is bad no matter which race it goes against or goes in favor of.[/QUOTE]
That old idiot in chinatown that says bigoted things about Gweilo or Koreans isn't any less moronic than a white bigot. But he's not in a position to create policy based on it. Or a vote that repubs are likely to appeal to by being racist.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42598180]whatever it is should be demonstrable instead of what you're doing which is drawing the conclusion you specifically want out of an infinite range of possibilities
I'm not ignoring the incarceration rate. I explain the higher rate of incarceration for blacks as heavily the product of systemic racism against black people.
[URL="https://www.aclu.org/fair-sentencing-act"]For one example (out of countless others)[/URL]: for years in the united states, there was a sentencing disparity between pure cocaine (a drug primarily used by affluent whites) and crack cocaine (a drug used primarily by urban black people) of 1 to 100. Even after the Fair Sentencing Act, the penalties for possession of Crack are an order of magnitude worse than they are for possessing (when dosage is taken in account) equivalent amounts cocaine despite the fact that [I]they are the same drug.[/I]
This is an example of systemic racism. Even though race is not explicitly part of the laws that that create this disparity, black people are put at a significant disadvantage because of it. I could list racist social factors which lead to A: the poverty in the black population which inevitably lead to crime and B: the discrimination in the justice system which disproportionately punishes blacks all day if you want me to.
Whatever my explanation is, it's a million times better than your "let me mention the incarceration rate of black people over and over but never actually go the length to try to explain it myself" "explanation".
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I mentioned the incarceration rate once maybe twice and I never used it as an argument.
Explain to me the reason why black on white violence is 39 times more likely to occur and why it has a far lower rate of being labelled a hate crime than the reverse?
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Explain to me the reason why black on white violence is 39 times more likely to occur [/QUOTE]
I don't have to because that "39 times more likely" number is bullshit. I did some digging and the source for that number in the Examiner article you linked isn't a scholarly, peer-reviewed data gathering organization, it's some group called the [I]"New Century Foundation,"[/I] which, as it turns out, [URL="http://www.amren.com/"]publishes the White Supremacist "American Renaissance" magazine.[/URL]
You've been using White Supremacist literature as the source for your information and you (I certainly hope) didn't even know it.
Let me say if for the second time: you really need to scrutinize the numbers people throw at you because people are allowed to make things up on the internet.
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[QUOTE=benwaddi;42598499]and why it has a far lower rate of being labelled a hate crime than the reverse?[/QUOTE]
Simple: because it happens less often. I'm not going to dismiss the work of both the police departments which report their crime rates and statisticians on some bullshit basis like "it sounds less trustworthy."
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42597926]So black on white violence happens 39 times more than white on black yet has a massively lower rate of being labelled a hate crime, if that is not a bias then what is it?
You are arguing the same shit you would ignore when discussing the black incarceration rate.
So how about you actually prove me wrong on the rest of the post instead of dodging the argument.
You can't can you? Because its a problem and you won't let yourself admit blacks cause an abnormal amount of race based violence.
And [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States#Classification_of_crimes_committed_against_Caucasians"]here's[/URL] the debates about the hate crime statistics.[/QUOTE]
There is a reason why black crime statistics are so massively skewed in the United States, but I've already explained it in great detail so many times over in so many different threads in the post-Zimmerman racist tyrade that Facepunch has devolved to these past several months that it's beginning to feel like a pointless effort on my part. When ignorance is reinforced by belligerence and conviction, it becomes an even uglier threat. If you are going to use statistics to justify hatred, at least understand why those statistics exist as they do. Still, I guess I have to at least try.
The conditions that have led to black crime statistics being overwhelmingly stacked in the United States exist as a result the racist "White Flight" movement of the 50's and 60's, which unofficially segregated minorities, especially black families, into financially destitute ghettos. The complete collapse of the local economies in these areas (as a result of the established businesses and families literally fleeing from the area as more black families began to move into it) had heavy repurcussions. Families stuck therein found themselves prisoners of circumstance. There were too few legitimate opportunities to go around, and they were too poor to move for greener pastures. In any situation where legitimate opportunities do not exist, people are forced to resort to illegitimate tactics. Drugs, guns, prostitution, violence, and gangs rose from such conditions, as those became the only means to ensure that you'd have food on your table and somebody watching your back. The obvious problem here is that crime breeds [I]more[/I] crime, and causes a downward spiral of desperation. These conditions perpetuate themselves.
We are seeing the ultimate consequence of that now: overwhelmingly poor neighborhoods, predominantly black, which are rife with gang violence and drugs, and which cannot hope to recover by themselves. And the worst part of it is that it's ignorance that allows these conditions to persist. People see this as a "black" problem, but it isn't. This is an American problem, and the only way it can be fixed is by dropping this bullshit pretense that "black culture" is why black crime, education, and employment rates are all so overwhelmingly stacked towards the negative.
Obviously none of us are responsible for "White Flight." That's well before our time. But that was the catalyst to the conditions we see today, and we have to understand that, because ignorance of that fact is what causes us to turn a blind eye to the solution. Ignorance of that is what allows us to thrust our noses in the air and pretend like we're superior. Ignorance of this is what ultimately allows the racism that caused it to persist and grow. This is a problem with America, not with black people. You can't give people no other choice but to fight for scraps, and then call them animals when they do. Our country needs to pull together and actually [I]do something[/I] about this shit, because it isn't going to fix itself.
[quote]There is a reason why black crime statistics are so massively skewed in the United States, but I've already explained it in great detail so many times over in so many different threads in the post-Zimmerman racist tyrade that Facepunch has devolved to these past several months that it's beginning to feel like a pointless effort on my part. When ignorance is reinforced by belligerence and conviction, it becomes an even uglier threat. If you are going to use statistics to justify hatred, at least understand why those statistics exist as they do. Still, I guess I have to at least try.[/quote]
That brings up something that's bugging me. Why haven't the mods done something about this abhorrent situation? I mean, back in 2010, they'd have gone in with fire and sword in half of lamar or sluggo's threads. Back then, racism bans were actually something meaningful in length. We've got too soft on this kind of shit.
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[quote]I don't have to because that "39 times more likely" number is bullshit. I did some digging and the source for that number in the Examiner article you linked isn't a scholarly, peer-reviewed data gathering organization, it's some group called the "New Century Foundation," which, as it turns out, publishes the White Supremacist "American Renaissance" magazine.
You've been using White Supremacist literature as the source for your information and you (I certainly hope) didn't even know it.
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Someone buy benwaddi a title based on this.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42595366]Why are you trying to stir the pot further?[/QUOTE]
lol if there's anyone to blame for stirring the pot it'd be sluggo who intentionally created this thread to start an argument about how white people can be victims of hate crimes too (as if that was in dispute).
sluggo by the way has said some pretty racist things before.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42598963]That brings up something that's bugging me. Why haven't the mods done something about this abhorrent situation? I mean, back in 2010, they'd have gone in with fire and sword in half of lamar or sluggo's threads. Back then, racism bans were actually something meaningful in length. We've got too soft on this kind of shit.
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Someone buy benwaddi a title based on this.[/QUOTE]
I haven't debated once in this thread. I just posted an article. Is it racist to post an article?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42599121']I haven't debated once in this thread. I just posted an article. Is it racist to post an article?[/QUOTE]
I'm referring to your previous antics. Check your ban history if you don't remember
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42598670]I don't have to because that "39 times more likely" number is bullshit. I did some digging and the source for that number in the Examiner article you linked isn't a scholarly, peer-reviewed data gathering organization, it's some group called the [I]"New Century Foundation,"[/I] which, as it turns out, [URL="http://www.amren.com/"]publishes the White Supremacist "American Renaissance" magazine.[/URL]
You've been using White Supremacist literature as the source for your information and you (I certainly hope) didn't even know it.
Let me say if for the second time: you really need to scrutinize the numbers people throw at you because people are allowed to make things up on the internet.
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Simple: because it happens less often. I'm not going to dismiss the work of both the police departments which report their crime rates and statisticians on some bullshit basis like "it sounds less trustworthy."[/QUOTE]
Jesus H Christ, Thanks for pointing that out. I generally don't start trying to search out white supremest papers though.
Since the links are dead on the article (They did work previously) I will try and dig up what "evidence" they had.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;42599150]Jesus H Christ, Thanks for pointing that out. I generally don't start trying to search out white supremest papers though.
Since the links are dead on the article (They did work previously) I will try and dig up what "evidence" they had.[/QUOTE]
You could have seen that shit coming with a crazy digit like that dude.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42599143]I'm referring to your previous antics. Check your ban history if you don't remember[/QUOTE]
I've been banned once for racism, I was banned again, but the ban was almost immediately reduced then removed.
Also, you should check your previous antics in relation to rating spam. You're sliding back into the habit.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42599121']I haven't debated once in this thread. I just posted an article. Is it racist to post an article?[/QUOTE]
you're being incredibly dishonest. are you saying you didn't know facepunch was going to respond the way it did? with the usual posts about tumblr and privilege and "whites can be victims too!" that happen every fucking time a race thread is made? you didn't have to make the racist posts yourself because you knew other people would do it for you.
essentially what you did was light a small fire, and then claim that you have no responsibility for it burning down a house because other people came and kept adding fuel to it.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42599208]you're being incredibly dishonest. are you saying you didn't know facepunch wasn't going to respond the way it did? with the usual posts about tumblr and privilege and "whites can be victims too!" that happen every fucking time a race thread is made?
essentially what you did was light a small fire, and then claim that you have no responsibility for it burning down a house because other people came and kept adding fuel to it.[/QUOTE]
Say the same for everyone who posts a transgender thread? It's really the same thing.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42599223']Say the same for everyone who posts a transgender thread? It's really the same thing.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between saying a transgirl is going to get treated and blatant race-baiting.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42599223']Say the same for everyone who posts a transgender thread? It's really the same thing.[/QUOTE]You rang?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42599223']Say the same for everyone who posts a transgender thread? It's really the same thing.[/QUOTE]
why don't you own up that you had an ulterior motive for posting this thread instead of trying to deflect by changing the subject.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42599223']Say the same for everyone who posts a transgender thread? It's really the same thing.[/QUOTE]
i don't think i'd say that treating transgender people nicely by showing people good news about them is quite the same as riling people up about racial tension
Your riling people up either way. You know it will spark a 10 page debate, as I knew this likely would. Doesn't meant it shouldn't be posted. It's still news.
I was posting news of a mob attack and tragedy. Others were posting new of transgender rights (which I fully support). It doesn't matter what my motives were, I was didn't inject them into my post.
[QUOTE=Cone;42599266]i don't think i'd say that treating transgender people nicely by showing people good news about them is quite the same as riling people up about racial tension[/QUOTE]
And to compare the the two is both abhorrent and revealing.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42599181]You could have seen that shit coming with a crazy digit like that dude.[/QUOTE]
The number is not that high, I can't find the study they directly linked to but a book they sourced sources the FBI and has this which has a higher black on white than white on black violent crime rate by 4.4%.
[URL="http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvius94.pdf"]Page 53[/URL]
Page 57 is what I think they sourced in the book, again difficult to confirm based on a small excerpt.
[url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf[/url]
Thats the 2008, violence was more prevalent by whites against black but completed violence and robbery were higher the other way.
Multiple offenders is a complete blow out with fewer than 10 whites committing crimes on blacks (still came to 0.0%).
There was some truth in the number (It was based on one statistic under violent crime; without injury :suicide:) but the numbers are far more equal both in the older study and the modern on (excluding multiple offenders) so the hate crime numbers [I]might[/I] still be cocked.
Fuck, I just spent longer on that than they did.
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