Sanders: "'Absolutely' Introducing Single-Payer Health Care Bill" After GOP Failure to Repeal ACA - Polidicks

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524734]How do you think why the USA have Apple\Microsoft\Google\start-ups and so many inventions in general?My theory it's all because of taxes and business climate,knowing that no one in long-term is going to implement 80% tax for rich like France.I think the US need to lower the tax rate for rich because they need more jobs,more tax payers instead of more people sitting on social programs.Yes the US spend more but they have more people,more illegals than any country of Europe.[/QUOTE] The government is actually the largest innovator, investor, inventor, etc etc etc. For example: nearly everything that makes a smartphone a smartphone (internet, GPS, batteries, touchscreen, etc) began with researchers who were being paid by the government. The US government is the largest venture capitalist in the world, which is why most innovation comes from there.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52524952]your entire economic theory was derived from a graph sketched on dick cheney's napkin. there has never been any proof that reducing taxes on the highest earners creates jobs, but its certainly a great way to raise campaign funds. as for social programs, we have very few, they're administered by states mostly and you'd be extremely hard pressed to live off of them in the long term. what drives innovation in the US is that we have a large middle class that does spend their money, provides the workers that fill the complex and large amount of jobs that modern manufacturers require, but has been consistently shat on by companies now who can't even be bothered to pay their local taxes, and don't reinvest in workers, and don't build the bases that grow manufacturing expertise[/QUOTE] The laffer curve is most certainly real. The lie is where it sits on the graph. It's also not exactly an argument about job creation but instead capturing revenue for the govt. [QUOTE=Llamaguy;52522574]What he is doing is not allowing Dems to be seen as obstructionists. Not only did the Dems block the ACA repeal, but they're offering up something substantially better![/QUOTE] What? This quite literally is what the republicans spent Obama's term doing. This bill is literally bait just like their 60 attempted obamacare repeals. IIRC bernie has actually already done this exact thing before

[QUOTE=Aztec;52524969]Hahahaha. Uh yes. Im currently uninsured. I have a disorder called marfans sydrome. Last year i was having chest pains and had to go to the hospital. Im currently 8000 dollars in debt from it. And it turns out the pains were unrelated. So now i have to ask myself next time if going to seek medical care is even worth it. [/QUOTE] Living in a country with nationalised healthcare, I genuinely choke up reading stuff like this. Ive been to visit the doctor hundreds of times for small shit like this, once or twice it actually turned out to be serious- and I had the issues identified and dealt with without paying a penny. $8000 for a check up? how could anyone support this shit? It's not fucking right.

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52522574]What he is doing is not allowing Dems to be seen as obstructionists. Not only did the Dems block the ACA repeal, but they're offering up something substantially better![/QUOTE] I don't mean to burst your bubble but neither the Democratic leadership nor a majority of the elected party actually support single-payer. As far as I'm aware Sanders and Warren are the only two senators who even talk about it and they only have a minority of co-sponsors in the House.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52526712]I will never understand it, but certain people have such a fetish for money, they're willing to hard and indirectly kill others for it.[/QUOTE] That's not the bizarre part. The bizarre part is when the people getting (literally) bled dry from healthcare are still supporting the Republicans who want them to stay forever in debt.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52526739]That's not the bizarre part. The bizarre part is when the people getting (literally) bled dry from healthcare are still supporting the Republicans who want them to stay forever in debt.[/QUOTE] Propaganda can make people vote against their own best interests 100% of the time, if given enough time to implant itself. Fox News has been working the brains of Americans forever at this point.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52526577]Living in a country with nationalised healthcare, I genuinely choke up reading stuff like this. Ive been to visit the doctor hundreds of times for small shit like this, once or twice it actually turned out to be serious- and I had the issues identified and dealt with without paying a penny. $8000 for a check up? how could anyone support this shit? It's not fucking right.[/QUOTE] It's pretty fucking depressing tbh. I remember about a year ago I was so stressed out from working and going to school at the same time that I broke out into hives on and off for about a month straight. Each time they'd get progressively worse so I'd have to visit urgent care to get a shot of benadryl and steroids. Each visit costed me $45 and that was [I]with[/I] insurance. I ended up having to take out a small loan to pay for what that whole month ended up costing me. It's way worse for people with disabilities too who don't actually qualify for "disability".

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52525400]The laffer curve is most certainly real. The lie is where it sits on the graph. It's also not exactly an argument about job creation but instead capturing revenue for the govt. What? This quite literally is what the republicans spent Obama's term doing. This bill is literally bait just like their 60 attempted obamacare repeals. IIRC bernie has actually already done this exact thing before[/QUOTE] well yes, the graph is certainly real but the curve is purely conjecture which was later backfilled with flimsy research to validate what is the largest transfer of wealth upwards in human history. the wealthy don't pay their taxes already, and they certainly didn't back when it was sketched on dick cheney's napkin got scuffed.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52526577]Living in a country with nationalised healthcare, I genuinely choke up reading stuff like this. Ive been to visit the doctor hundreds of times for small shit like this, once or twice it actually turned out to be serious- and I had the issues identified and dealt with without paying a penny. $8000 for a check up? how could anyone support this shit? It's not fucking right.[/QUOTE] My sister slipped on ice last winter, during a short period where we had been booted off our former insurance, and the bill for a super minor separated shoulder was several thousand dollars. I haven't been to the dentist in two years. I haven't had an eye exam in over three. My medication, off insurance, is upwards of $200 a month - and now I don't have insurance until I transition to my school's insurance plan in September. Can't get medication, can't go get an overdue dental checkup. I can pay out of pocket for a few things, like eye exams, since they're pretty cheap ($100ish), but most other stuff I really can't afford as a student with technically negative money.

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524734]How do you think why the USA have Apple\Microsoft\Google\start-ups and so many inventions in general?My theory it's all because of taxes and business climate,knowing that no one in long-term is going to implement 80% tax for rich like France.I think the US need to lower the tax rate for rich because they need more jobs,more tax payers instead of more people sitting on social programs.Yes the US spend more but they have more people,more illegals than any country of Europe.[/QUOTE] Well ya theories bunk mate. US has higher corporation tax than Sweden, Germany and France, the countries you pointed out. Does the pride in your 'inventions' numb the pain of medical debt? The fact that over 600,000 people go bankrupt every year due to medical bills and then can't afford to [I]live?[/I] In a fucking first world country? I know where I'd rather live.