Florida urologist to Obama supporters: Seek medical care elsewhere - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21143539]Why should the hard work that I do go towards something other than me and my needs? I'm not working for myself and a couple hundred thousand poorer people, I'm working to support me and my family. If you want to help the poor, go volunteer at a soup kitchen. And this new bill is really not a good thing for medical institutions, especially private ones like that. And he's not refusing service, he's telling them to leave. Which he's legally allowed to do, because nothing says he can't encourage no service. He'll still treat them. Shitstorm approaching.[/QUOTE] What do you do for a living? Do you produce anything of value for society, clean streets, repair things? If not, please shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;21143812]What do you do for a living? Do you produce anything of value for society, clean streets, repair things? If not, please shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] i made a pen gun in elementary school does that count

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;21136456]Patient discrimination? Oh please, like there aren't a million other urologist waiting to take his disgruntled patients. It's his business, he can deny anyone he wants. He doesn't owe anyone anything. [editline]02:28AM[/editline] He isn't getting paid when he turns people away either.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, you can't be refused service anywhere because of your social background/sexuality/beliefs. [QUOTE=Zinayzen;21143539] I'm not working for myself and a couple hundred thousand poorer people[/QUOTE] Unless taxes suddenly were abolished, you already are.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21143539]Why should the hard work that I do go towards something other than me and my needs? I'm not working for myself and a couple hundred thousand poorer people, I'm working to support me and my family.[/QUOTE] My money's been taken and used to kill people in a war I've never supported. But your situation is obviously much worse.

[QUOTE=Archy;21143823]i made a pen gun in elementary school does that count[/QUOTE] Yes, Yes it does.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;21143762]If you read the damn article, which I am sure you did, you would know that he does not discriminate against anyone because he does not turn anyone away.[/QUOTE] Yes, I did read the article, but even having it on the door is a form of discrimination in my opinion. That was more my point. Even if at the end of the day he treats them if they keep it to themselves having it on the door and that being allowed seems like bullshit to me, which was I was trying to say. I haven't been awake long so my ability to get my point across is a bit lacking right now. So I'll just leave it at that and go get some caffeine in me.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;21143762]If you read the damn article, which I am sure you did, you would know that he does not discriminate against anyone because he does not turn anyone away.[/QUOTE] Those people now have to worry that if they come in with, say, an Obama sticker on their car, they might receive substandard care. It may not be illegal, but it sure is a dick move.

[QUOTE=Bathacker;21143935]Those people now have to worry that if they come in with, say, an Obama sticker on their car, they might receive substandard care. It may not be illegal[/QUOTE] The American Constitution begs to differ on that.

[QUOTE=dutchah;21143988]The American Constitution begs to differ on that.[/QUOTE] He's not [i]literally[/i] refusing care to these patients, he put up a sign that says that he doesn't want to treat them. It's unethical because he's singling these people out. However, until someone says "I support Obama" to his face and he kicks him out, he hasn't technically broken the Hippocratic Oath or whatever that would get his license revoked. I'm remembering that there was a case where there was a group of doctors in a similar situation. I think the deal was that they refused to perform an artificial insemination procedure on lesbians. They recommended that the women find other doctors, but in this case actually refused to help them. If I remember right, the doctors lost their medical licenses. I'm a little sketchy on the details. I'll try to find the source and bring it in. [url]http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/05/30/when-doctors-say-no-lesbian-refused-ivf-treatment-california[/url] This is the link, but it's not exactly what I said above and doesn't really apply to this situation. So, it's probably best to disregard my last little anecdote there.

[QUOTE=Bathacker;21144179]He's not [i]literally[/i] refusing care to these patients, he put up a sign that says that he doesn't want to treat them. It's unethical because he's singling these people out. However, until someone says "I support Obama" to his face and he kicks him out, he hasn't technically broken the Hippocratic Oath or whatever that would get his license revoked. [/QUOTE] Just because he isn't literally refusing service (yet) doesn't mean everybody's still equal. Like you said, he's negatively singling these people out, thus going against the Hypocratic oath which should be able to get his license revoked.

[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;21143812]What do you do for a living? Do you produce anything of value for society, clean streets, repair things? If not, please shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] What does my value to society have to do with anything?

Someone should tell him to [I]piss off![/I] [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/cecilb6/mojo.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21144334]What does my value to society have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] Why should a doctor help you if you do nothing but leech of the hard work of others?

[QUOTE=dutchah;21144250]Just because he isn't literally refusing service (yet) doesn't mean everybody's still equal. Like you said, he's negatively singling these people out, thus going against the Hypocratic oath which should be able to get his license revoked.[/QUOTE] True. I'm not agreeing with what he's doing. This is just one of those situations where there's no real precedent to decide what to do with this guy. Whatever they do is going to set the precedent for future cases like this. It'll be interesting to see what exactly happens. a) They revoke the guy's license, likely inciting rage from the people who think free speech applies in this case. b) They uphold his rights to free speech, but he gets the reputation of being a crooked doctor. Either way, he pretty much loses, so I'm not too concerned.

The funny thing is if some doctor put up a sign telling Christians or Conservatives to go elsewhere to get health care facepunch would back it 100 percent

[QUOTE=Bathacker;21144483]True. I'm not agreeing with what he's doing. This is just one of those situations where there's no real precedent to decide what to do with this guy. Whatever they do is going to set the precedent for future cases like this. It'll be interesting to see what exactly happens. a) They revoke the guy's license, likely inciting rage from the people who think free speech applies in this case. b) They uphold his rights to free speech, but he gets the reputation of being a crooked doctor. Either way, he pretty much loses, so I'm not too concerned.[/QUOTE] Can't they do something about abusing his free speech conflicting with the equality? [QUOTE=evilweazel;21144648]The funny thing is if some doctor put up a sign telling Christians or Conservatives to go elsewhere to get health care facepunch would back it 100 percent[/QUOTE] That's because we know most of those people are complete fucktards, so they deserve it. Okay, maybe not 100 percent, but still a lot of people will.

[QUOTE=dutchah;21144657]Can't they do something about abusing his free speech conflicting with the equality?[/QUOTE] I don't know what they'll do. Maybe they'll just make him take the sign down, I dunno. [QUOTE=dutchah;21144657]That's because we know most of those people are complete fucktards, so they deserve it. Okay, maybe not 100 percent, but still a lot of people will.[/QUOTE] Dude, a little hypocritical there, don't you think? Whether you want to admit it or not, the whackjobs you're hearing about are a vocal minority. Don't let the fact that you disagree with a group color your perception of all of its members.

[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;21144440]Why should a doctor help you if you do nothing but leech of the hard work of others?[/QUOTE] ...that was my point. Why should my hard work help anyone except me? Wait. I think I misread your first thing. I thought you were telling ME to shut the fuck up. Nevermind. >>

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21144918]...that was my point. Why should my hard work help anyone except me?[/QUOTE] I don't think he got your original point, but there's many more barriers to escaping poverty than just "not working hard enough." Plus, think of the children. If they've got a deadbeat dad who doesn't provide for them, that's hardly their fault. And what are they supposed to do, get a job?

[QUOTE=Bathacker;21144993]Plus, think of the children. If they've got a deadbeat dad who doesn't provide for them, that's hardly their fault. And what are they supposed to do, get a job?[/QUOTE] I don't care that this sounds heartless, because it's still true. So just because some kids have a deadbeat dad, I should be forced to help them out? Besides, it's not like it'll benefit the kids directly anyway. If I (or you, for that matter) wanted to help out those kids, I'd get involved personally. Health care won't matter for those kids because they won't have a dad who'd help them out to begin with, and I doubt an 8 year old can go to a doctor or hospital and just get treatment.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21144918]...that was my point. Why should my hard work help anyone except me? Wait. I think I misread your first thing. I thought you were telling ME to shut the fuck up. Nevermind. >>[/QUOTE] I was actually. I asked if you created anything of use for society, and advised you to stop posting if you dont. I'm assuming that you work in an overpaid position and leech off those who are actually productive members of society. [QUOTE=Zinayzen;21145153]I don't care that this sounds heartless, because it's still true. So just because some kids have a deadbeat dad, I should be forced to help them out? Besides, it's not like it'll benefit the kids directly anyway. If I (or you, for that matter) wanted to help out those kids, I'd get involved personally. Health care won't matter for those kids because they won't have a dad who'd help them out to begin with, and I doubt an 8 year old can go to a doctor or hospital and just get treatment.[/QUOTE] What about children with a father who want to take them to a doctor but cant pay. There's more to living in civilised society than looking out for your own needs and ignoring everyone else.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21144334]What does my value to society have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] He wants you to become rich so he can mooch off your welfare.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21145153]I don't care that this sounds heartless, because it's still true. So just because some kids have a deadbeat dad, I should be forced to help them out? Besides, it's not like it'll benefit the kids directly anyway. If I (or you, for that matter) wanted to help out those kids, I'd get involved personally. Health care won't matter for those kids because they won't have a dad who'd help them out to begin with, and I doubt an 8 year old can go to a doctor or hospital and just get treatment.[/QUOTE] But the problem goes beyond what "personally helping them" can do. You have to realize that this is such a big problem, that expecting that individual help will be sufficient is a logical fallacy. It's easier, more effective, and more efficient, to pull a tiny bit of money from everyone and use it to fund a much larger effort. You may be thinking: "Well, then, just allow people to decide whether or not they want to pay into such a program." Unfortunately, there's a problem with that when people who decide to not pay into the program suddenly need to depend on it. This results in a dilemma where we either give people money that some would argue that they don't deserve, or we deny them the money and let them live in a relatively stubborn state of poverty, which gets us nowhere.

[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;21145327]I was actually. I asked if you created anything of use for society, and advised you to stop posting if you dont. I'm assuming that you work in an overpaid position and leech off those who are actually productive members of society.[/QUOTE] I'm a student. It doesn't change my viewpoint, though, and if you can't argue with what I'm saying and decide to just attack me instead, it means you can't come up with a reasonable counterpoint. [QUOTE=Bathacker;21145460]But the problem goes beyond what "personally helping them" can do. You have to realize that this is such a big problem, that expecting that individual help will be sufficient is a logical fallacy. It's easier, more effective, and more efficient, to pull a tiny bit of money from everyone and use it to fund a much larger effort. You may be thinking: "Well, then, just allow people to decide whether or not they want to pay into such a program." Unfortunately, there's a problem with that when people who decide to not pay into the program suddenly need to depend on it. This results in a dilemma where we either give people money that some would argue that they don't deserve, or we deny them the money and let them live in a relatively stubborn state of poverty, which gets us nowhere.[/QUOTE] So if I start paying for these people's health care for, say, the advancing of society, why would it end there? If this were to magically work out and start working well, then people would start to say that hey, sure we have insurance, but what we don't have the means to get is a job. So if you pay out salaries for a little bit and just give us some weekly income, we'll be able to go get a job. At that point, why bother getting a job? Now you have health insurance and a weekly income. Then it becomes a matter of the top third of society supporting the weight of the bottom 2/3rds and itself. I realize that that's a slippery slope argument, but if you follow politics through history, that shit happens all the time.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;21144648]The funny thing is if some doctor put up a sign telling Christians or Conservatives to go elsewhere to get health care facepunch would back it 100 percent[/QUOTE] We would? Thanks for telling us how we think

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21145586]I'm a student. It doesn't change my viewpoint, though, and if you can't argue with what I'm saying and decide to just attack me instead, it means you can't come up with a reasonable counterpoint. [/QUOTE] You're a student and therefore other people are providing food, shelter and other necessites to you. And you disagree with helping others? You wouldn't have the opportunity to study if it wasn't for people providing you with such things. Your parents are probably supporting you at the moment but what about those who are not lucky enough to have parents who can provide for them? Should they be denied the oppurtunity to learn just because they didn't get born into the right circumstances? [QUOTE=Zinayzen;21145586] At that point, why bother getting a job? Now you have health insurance and a weekly income. Then it becomes a matter of the top third of society supporting the weight of the bottom 2/3rds and itself. [/QUOTE] The higher class has leeched off the hard work of underpaid labourers since the romans. So how can they support the people who they are effectively stealing from?

[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;21146302]You're a student and therefore other people are providing food, shelter and other necessites to you. And you disagree with helping others? You wouldn't have the opportunity to study if it wasn't for people providing you with such things. Your parents are probably supporting you at the moment but what about those who are not lucky enough to have parents who can provide for them? Should they be denied the oppurtunity to learn just because they didn't get born into the right circumstances? The higher class has leeched off the hard work of underpaid labourers since the romans. So how can they support the people who they are effectively stealing from?[/QUOTE] My parents are not required, by law, to provide me with a college education. They're choosing to, and there's the difference. I don't want to be required to fund other peoples' things. No, I don't think people should be denied the opportunity to learn. But saying they're denied the opportunity gives the impression that I'm their only shot at education. And if I am, I really don't care. Speaking from further down the line, I'm going to work all day to raise money for myself and my family so we can exist at whatever level of comfort I desire. I'm not going to sacrifice the needs and wants of my family so Emilio can go to Community College, drop out, and become a gardener. If poor kids want an education so badly, there are ways of getting it. I'm not going to fund him because it doesn't benefit me in any way. And regardless of whether or not that seems selfish, it's not. I worked hard for my money and I deserve to do with it what i want. If I want to help out the lower class, then I will, but I refuse to support something that FORCES me to do it. That's stupid and wrong. And secondly, whatever you were trying to say with the classes makes no sense.

good thing i dont live in the states and have a urinary tract infection phew, dodged that bullet.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21147568]My parents are not required, by law, to provide me with a college education. They're choosing to, and there's the difference. I don't want to be required to fund other peoples' things. No, I don't think people should be denied the opportunity to learn. But saying they're denied the opportunity gives the impression that I'm their only shot at education. And if I am, I really don't care. Speaking from further down the line, I'm going to work all day to raise money for myself and my family so we can exist at whatever level of comfort I desire. I'm not going to sacrifice the needs and wants of my family so Emilio can go to Community College, drop out, and become a gardener. If poor kids want an education so badly, there are ways of getting it. I'm not going to fund him because it doesn't benefit me in any way. And regardless of whether or not that seems selfish, it's not. I worked hard for my money and I deserve to do with it what i want. If I want to help out the lower class, then I will, but I refuse to support something that FORCES me to do it. That's stupid and wrong. And secondly, whatever you were trying to say with the classes makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Well it's great that your parents can send you to college, I'm not arguing about law here, I'm speaking about common decency. Do you actually believe people should be unable to go to college because they weren't born to parents who can send them to college? I am not saying you personally should pay to put someone else through college, Taxes that you and others pay can be allocated to their education. Where else can they get the opportunity to go to college? And assuming someone from a certain economic backgroud will drop out of school and become a gardener is idiotic and prejudiced. What would happen to you if everyone looked out for their own needs alone? Can you farm? Do you have the means to purify your own water? Do you have any knowledge of building? Are you studying a practical subject in college, something that can be used to produce something for society? Or a business degree? The thing I was saying about class did make sense.

[QUOTE=dutchah;21144250]thus going against the Hypocratic oath which should be able to get his license revoked.[/QUOTE] Looks like he swore the hypocritic oath. [img]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q198/Hezzy88/mojo.jpg[/img]