EVERYTHING IS RIGGED ; Illuminati existence confirmed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Appellation;40426152]Jesus God people. How hard is it to get? Don't fight it head on, you'll only be crushed. The answer is to become a little corrupt yourselves, join the system, and very slowly and slightly push from the inside to make things better. "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" isn't a joke, it's actually very good advice. I apologize if I come across as harsh, but you'll only get hurt by trying to be too pure and good.[/QUOTE] I will keep my integrity thank you.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40426194]I will keep my integrity thank you.[/QUOTE] You obviously don't want to give it all up, but in order to have a decent chance at flourishing and making an actual impact, you have to choose your battles.

[QUOTE=Appellation;40426248]You obviously don't want to give it all up, but in order to have a decent chance at flourishing and making an actual impact, you have to choose your battles.[/QUOTE] [thumb]http://comics.feedtacoma.com/img/comics/posts/lrg/ocryx-ocryx-joe-observe-integrity.jpg[/thumb] Especially if it hurts

Does this mean the Mann Co store has been fixing the price of hats the whole time?!

This is pretty different from the Illuminati, Socialists and other Leftists have been trying to explain this for centuries.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40426367][thumb]http://comics.feedtacoma.com/img/comics/posts/lrg/ocryx-ocryx-joe-observe-integrity.jpg[/thumb] Especially if it hurts[/QUOTE] Is that integrity? He gave up his job/did something that got him fired because to do what was necessary to advance/keep his job meant doing some wrong. But those that didn't have such qualms, what became of them? They kept their jobs, and they put themselves in far better positions to move up the corporate ladder. They'll most likely be the ones making the decisions that could create moral dilemmas for their employees in the future, so you'd better hope that they were willing to sacrifice a bit of their own integrity early on, or else they're just the ones that didn't care at all. Think of yourself first, so you [I]can[/I] think of others, even though you have to think of them second, because otherwise, those in power will be the ones that [B]only[/B] think of themselves. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] Hmm, what response could someone give in disagreement with this that doesn't involve slippery slopes or absolute morality? I'll have to ponder that.

[QUOTE=Appellation;40426483]Is that integrity? He gave up his job/did something that got him fired because to do what was necessary to advance/keep his job meant doing some wrong. But those that didn't have such qualms, what became of them? They kept their jobs, and they put themselves in far better positions to move up the corporate ladder. They'll most likely be the ones making the decisions that could create moral dilemmas for their employees in the future, so you'd better hope that they were willing to sacrifice a bit of their own integrity early on, or else they're just the ones that didn't care at all. Think of yourself first, so you [I]can[/I] think of others, even though you have to think of them second, because otherwise, those in power will be the ones that [B]only[/B] think of themselves.[/QUOTE] And why exactly should we have/continue a system where the sociopaths are the easiest people to climb up the ladder? Immorality/Corruption should never be rewarded. Even if it is a 'means to an end'. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Obnobs;40426463]This is pretty different from the Illuminati, Socialists and other Leftists have been trying to explain this for centuries.[/QUOTE] A) No it's pretty right along Weishaupt's aspirations of world financial control. B) The word 'illuminati' is just a colloquial term for 'The powerful corrupt elite' nowadays

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40426547]And why exactly should we have/continue a system where the sociopaths are the easiest people to climb up the ladder? Immorality/Corruption should never be rewarded. Even if it is a 'means to an end'. [/QUOTE] Great. Beautiful. Inspired. How? Do you think there is a single organization on Earth that is immune to such effects? What can you expect to accomplish as an individual?

[QUOTE=Appellation;40426624]Great. Beautiful. Inspired. How? Do you think there is a single organization on Earth that is immune to such effects? What can you expect to accomplish as an individual?[/QUOTE] Its not about the individual. Its about the people being aware of their own sovereignty over corrupt institutions which benefit from their loss. I hate to do this but: [quote="Thomas Jefferson"] The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. [/quote] I am not saying anyone should revolt violently, but I am also not denying anyone the right of self defense as prescribed by law in a free and democratic society.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40426547]And why exactly should we have/continue a system where the sociopaths are the easiest people to climb up the ladder? Immorality/Corruption should never be rewarded. Even if it is a 'means to an end'.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A[/media]

I guess you could consider ruthlessness to be the only true "evil" in this world, in which case, concern for others, justice, and integrity would be "good". But if you're going to be a zealot about it, then "evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;40426677]Its not about the individual. Its about the people being aware of their own sovereignty over corrupt institutions which benefit from their loss. I hate to do this but: I am not saying anyone should revolt violently, but I am also not denying anyone the right of self defense as prescribed by law in a free and democratic society.[/QUOTE] So the evils in the system are worse than the evils of bloodshed?

this thread spiraled into madness

War and revolution are by no means clean processes. They cause a lot of collateral damage, so, do the ends justify the means only in this case?

[QUOTE=ironman17;40424216]I suspect money is still a thing amongst many spacefaring civilisations; the exchanging of goods is universal, and it can be hard to establish an economy without a medium of trade, otherwise it devolves into bartering and haggling. My theory is that the whole money thing was established to simplify the complexities of trading, since different cultures and different people have different perceptions of value; with a unified standard of exchange it becomes easier to trade something for something else, and it becomes less of a matter of mercantile combat in which haggling and bartering occur. Some races might find a way to solve it, but IDK how they'd solve it without monies.[/QUOTE] Have you heard of a resource based economy? What about the Venus Project? The whole principle is that through the automation of most labor (farming, shipping, surgery, construction, transportation) that all people will be able to be provided for. People with interests in specific fields will be able to work in those fields. The hope is that either by volunteers or by people interested in automation and robotics that a small percent of the population can maintain those automated systems. Goods are distributed with a system similar to a library but for all kinds of items like cameras and motorcycles.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;40426681]VIDEO[/QUOTE] [quote="Google"]Greed /grēd/ Intense and selfish desire for something, esp. wealth, power, or food.[/quote] I frankly don't think Einstein is a good example of how innovation came from 'greed'.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40426734]I frankly don't think Einstein is a good example of how innovation came from 'greed'.[/QUOTE] A lot of innovation does not result from greed, people are naturally good and a currency doesn't need to provoke people to create and design. The man who cured polio could have became filthy rich, however he made his cure public. The Wright brothers didn't sit down and ask how they could make a lot of money. They were curious about their world and determined, in the end they had a flying machine!

[QUOTE=Appellation;40426707]War and revolution are by no means clean processes. They cause a lot of collateral damage, so, do the ends justify the means only in this case?[/QUOTE] If the state will not prosecute what 'the people' deem as criminal. Then what happens when the security guards fire upon the masses to stop them taking the 'ridiculousillionaire' to court. Who is at a moral high-ground?

[QUOTE=MadPro119;40426717]Have you heard of a resource based economy? What about the Venus Project? The whole principle is that through the automation of most labor (farming, shipping, surgery, construction, transportation) that all people will be able to be provided for. People with interests in specific fields will be able to work in those fields. The hope is that either by volunteers or by people interested in automation and robotics that a small percent of the population can maintain those automated systems. Goods are distributed with a system similar to a library but for all kinds of items like cameras and motorcycles.[/QUOTE] The Venus project is just what the soviets proposed, now only under the slogan "We have the technology"

[QUOTE=E1025;40423174]Play both these at the same time holy crap.[/QUOTE] [url=http://youtubedoubler.com/7Zkr]Okay.[/url]

[QUOTE=DanRatherman;40423317]Whats that? World corporatist capitalism is a giant scam to give a small select group of people an unduly large amount of the world's money by extorting others and fixing politics to their advantage? Who would have ever fucking guessed?![/QUOTE] i don't think it's fair to blame capitalism for this. i mean look around you, we're living in a utopia even if it's all rigged. it's not like soviet russia where you stand in line for beets and toilet paper and get sent to the gulags for joking about khrushchev's name or some shit

No one. Not the vigilantes and not those that defend the corrupt system. Why are you more open to violence then you are to all other options? Those security guards are people too, they might be war vets who need to support a family and can find no other job. They might have really needed the money and have had no idea what they were signing up for.....dammit now all I'm thinking of is metal gear revengeance.

if i were to pick between rigged capitalism and rigged every other form of economy i'd have to go with capitalism. because, you know, it seems to work the best even if it's rigged... because people aren't getting taken away for even thinking about this shit.

[QUOTE=Snord;40426794]The Venus project is just what the soviets proposed, now only under the slogan "We have the technology"[/QUOTE] Except not at all. Communism does not address the fact that people won't want to work the terrible jobs. Communism is still a monetary system that is open to corruption. Communism assumes there is enough for everyone, the Venus project focuses on eliminating scarcity.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;40426851]Except not at all. Communism does not address the fact that people won't want to work the terrible jobs. Communism is still a monetary system that is open to corruption. Communism assumes there is enough for everyone, the Venus project focuses on eliminating scarcity.[/QUOTE] Actually, the Venus system fits very well with Karl Marx's ideals.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;40426851]Except not at all. Communism does not address the fact that people won't want to work the terrible jobs. Communism is still a monetary system that is open to corruption. Communism assumes there is enough for everyone, the Venus project focuses on eliminating scarcity.[/QUOTE] The venus project doesn't even acknowledge that, perhaps, people might want to compete with each other because of self-interest.

[QUOTE=Snord;40426880]The venus project doesn't even acknowledge that, perhaps, people might want to compete with each other because of self-interest.[/QUOTE] What would one gain through attempting some form of economic competition? How would that even be possible with the Venus system? [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Appellation;40426867]Actually, the Venus system fits very well with Karl Marx's ideals.[/QUOTE] I'm, sure he would endorse it. But in actuality, his ideas for communism were simply him trying to end suffering. So makes sense that it fits well, however it isn't the same thing.

the one thing it depends upon is group thought instead of individual thought. which is completely impossible.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40426945]the one thing it depends upon is group thought instead of individual thought. which is completely impossible.[/QUOTE] Sure with that attitude. Even if it is impossible isn't it worth contemplating and teaching?

Uh it's human nature. it cannot be helped. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] all these communists sound like a bunch of starry eyed, self-illusioned idealists who are fresh out of college on their way to peace corp for a year. the founding fathers of america had it right. they actually thought about the whole human-error aspect of it. these dumbasses think that we can all just get along and hold hands.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40426998]Uh it's human nature. it cannot be helped. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] all these communists sound like a bunch of starry eyed, self-illusioned idealists who are fresh out of college on their way to peace corp for a year.[/QUOTE] Human nature is the same as all animal's nature. The species surviving is our nature and goal. There is no better way to continue our society than through a better socio economic system like this. Don't write shit off as "human nature".