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i actually can when it's naturally occurring in nature and is pretty much the reason why we are here today. we are competitive. we cannot help it. you can't teach this shit, you need eugenics. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] you cannot tell a human being that he cannot be better than someone else. human history has always been and always will be each other clawing our way through each other trying to get to the finish line. until humanity gets a true hive mind you can't have this impossible pretty picture

Except the human nature argument is a terrible argument. We help the cripple, the retarded, and mentally unstable. Arguing eugenics means we should also go ahead and kill them because they're weak.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427038]i actually can when it's naturally occurring in nature and is pretty much the reason why we are here today. we are competitive. we cannot help it. you can't teach this shit, you need eugenics. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] you cannot tell a human being that he cannot be better than someone else. human history has always been and always will be each other clawing our way through each other trying to get to the finish line. until humanity gets a true hive mind you can't have this impossible pretty picture[/QUOTE] The venus project doesn't advocate for that noone is better than anyone else. Also, you are stating "we are competitive, look around you can see it" Yeah, no fuck were competitive when we are raised in a society first with scarcity then with capitalism only promoting that greed and competition. Its not human nature, its how our society conditions us.

yeah well without eugenics and probably a much better understanding of the human genome this would be the only way besides humanity combining every mind in the planet into one [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MadPro119;40427078] Yeah, no fuck were competitive when we are raised in a society first with scarcity then with capitalism only promoting that greed and competition. Its not human nature, its how our society conditions us.[/QUOTE] no it's how we conditioned society genius

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;40422820]give normal conspiracy theorists a bad name.[/QUOTE] No, "Conspiracy Theorist" is a bad name in itself. They didn't call the people who investigated Richard Nixon Conspiracy Theorists; they didn't call the people who investigated the Monica Lewinski scandal conspiracy theorists. Why? Because they didn't make a lifestyle/career out of sensationalizing every new story they came across to be part of some different global conspiracy. Identifying as a "conspiracy theorist" means that everything has to come back to some stupid conspiracy to you, rather than going with real evidence, you have to grasp at straws and ignore evidence or a lack thereof to prove a point that you're unwilling to concede under any circumstances is total horseshit

also if you want to take that argument try to look around and find the soviet union. did you look real hard? well to bad BECAUSE IT FELL, HARD.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427086]no it's how we conditioned society genius[/QUOTE] Creatures don't condition their environment; their environment conditions them. The economic mode of production is an outgrowth of material conditions and availability of natural resources; not vice versa.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427086]yeah well without eugenics and probably a much better understanding of the human genome this would be the only way besides humanity combining every mind in the planet into one [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] no it's how we conditioned society genius[/QUOTE] More of an exponential growth of greed and competition caused initially by scarcity. Its not our nature, its scarcity.

so society created humans?

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427102]also if you want to take that argument try to look around and find the soviet union. did you look real hard? well to bad BECAUSE IT FELL, HARD.[/QUOTE] Yes, the soviet union fell but the argument you are making is confusing me. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427112]so society created humans?[/QUOTE] You continue to baffle me.

[QUOTE=prooboo;40427095]No, "Conspiracy Theorist" is a bad name in itself. They didn't call the people who investigated Richard Nixon Conspiracy Theorists; they didn't call the people who investigated the Monica Lewinski scandal conspiracy theorists. Why? Because they didn't make a lifestyle/career out of sensationalizing every new story they came across to be part of some different global conspiracy. Identifying as a "conspiracy theorist" means that everything has to come back to some stupid conspiracy to you, rather than going with real evidence, you have to grasp at straws and ignore evidence or a lack thereof to prove a point that you're unwilling to concede under any circumstances is total horseshit[/QUOTE] I Disagree, a conspiracy theorist is one who entertains the theories of conspiracy and judges them objectively. A bad conspiracy theorist is what you described.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;40427111]More of an exponential growth of greed and competition caused initially by scarcity. Its not our nature, its scarcity.[/QUOTE] [img]http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/b/v/BurjDubaiFlickr.jpg[/img] no it's the intrinsic corruption of mankind.

By human nature we are not competitive and greedy. By the scarcity in our environments we are competitive and greedy. Not because of our "human nature".

the problem is that there will always be people at the top running things. and history knows a bad leader is the number one cause of the fall of a nation.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427130][img]http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/b/v/BurjDubaiFlickr.jpg[/img] no it's the intrinsic corruption of mankind.[/QUOTE] What makes you think it is intrinsic?

[QUOTE=MadPro119;40427132]By human nature we are not competitive and greedy. By the scarcity in our environments we are competitive and greedy. Not because of our "human nature".[/QUOTE] go watch more star trek

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427140]the problem is that there will always be people at the top running things. and history knows a bad leader is the number one cause of the fall of a nation.[/QUOTE] Think of the venus project like an open source program. No one is at the top. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427146]go watch more star trek[/QUOTE] I don't know how to respond to this.

Its the classic battle of "The people can't rule themselves and are inherently corrupt" vs "The people are good, they can do good". [i]An Interesting Parrallel[/i] [quote="Pawns in the Game"] Very few people seem able to appreciate that Lucifer is the brightest and most intelligent of the heavenly host and, because he is a pure spirit, he is indestructible. The scriptures tell us his power is such that he caused one-third of the most intelligent of the heavenly host to defect from God, and join him, because he claimed God’s Plan for the rule of the universe is weak and impractical because it is based on the premise that lesser beings can be taught to know, love, and wish to serve him voluntarily out of respect for his own infinite perfections. The Luciferian ideology states might is right. It claims beings of proven superior intelligence have the right to rule those less gifted because the masses don’t know what is best for them. The Luciferian ideology is what we call totalitarianism to-day.[/quote]

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427112]so society created humans?[/QUOTE] Human evolved and adapted just like every other creature on the planet. We adapt to our environment by coming up with means of attaining sustenance. Every creature does this through hunting habits, breeding habits, etc. The creatures that come up with a means of attaining sustenance that conflicts with the environment die off. The ability to adapt to the environment is what determines who lives and who dies. The economy is simply the means by which humans attain sustenance for all of society. It is a flow of commodities both for need and want. The source of it all is natural resources, or the environment. Hence, the economic system of organization (or the mode of production) must be compatible with the conditions of natural resources. E.G: you wouldn't very well expect a village in Alaska to survive off of an economy driven by the sales of tropical fruits, would you? they can't sell tropical fruits. Their economy would be much better off selling fish or oil or whatever they DO have in Alaska. If they tried to survive off of selling tropical fruits, they would all die off because they HAVE NO tropical fruits. Now, within this economic mode of production, if someone tries to act different from that, that man will not survive. E.G: In this Alaskan village, everybody survives off of fish. Imagine he starts a cause for vegetarianism in their frozen hellhole that cannot grow crops at all. Do you think anybody will listen to him? No: they need fish to survive, and vegetarianism will surely starve them all to death. But what if someone DOES listen to him? Well then they won't eat fish, and will simply starve to death along with his cause of vegetarianism. What lives on is the fish in the river, the economy based on fish, and the people who conform to this fish-based mode of production. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;40427129]I Disagree, a conspiracy theorist is one who entertains the theories of conspiracy and judges them objectively. A bad conspiracy theorist is what you described.[/QUOTE] Entertaining all arguments and judging them objectively shouldn't have a special name for it. It should just be called "being rational"

[QUOTE=prooboo;40427202]Human evolved and adapted just like every other creature on the planet. We adapt to our environment by coming up with means of attaining sustenance. Every creature does this through hunting habits, breeding habits, etc. The creatures that come up with a means of attaining sustenance that conflicts with the environment die off. The ability to adapt to the environment is what determines who lives and who dies. The economy is simply the means by which humans attain sustenance for all of society. It is a flow of commodities both for need and want. The source of it all is natural resources, or the environment. Hence, the economic system of organization (or the mode of production) must be compatible with the conditions of natural resources. E.G: you wouldn't very well expect a village in Alaska to survive off of an economy driven by the sales of tropical fruits, would you? they can't sell tropical fruits. Their economy would be much better off selling fish or oil or whatever they DO have in Alaska. If they tried to survive off of selling tropical fruits, they would all die off because they HAVE NO tropical fruits. Now, within this economic mode of production, if someone tries to act different from that, that man will not survive. E.G: In this Alaskan village, everybody survives off of fish. Imagine he starts a cause for vegetarianism in their frozen hellhole that cannot grow crops at all. Do you think anybody will listen to him? No: they need fish to survive, and vegetarianism will surely starve them all to death. But what if someone DOES listen to him? Well then they won't eat fish, and will simply starve to death along with his cause of vegetarianism. What lives on is the fish in the river, the economy based on fish, and the people who conform to this fish-based mode of production. [/QUOTE] this had nothing to do with my original statement. and to answer everyone's question humans created society... duh

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427277]this had nothing to do with my original statement. and to answer everyone's question humans created society... duh[/QUOTE] Take a breath. Post what evidence you have that ultimate human nature is responsible for our competition and not scarcity/our environment.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427277]this had nothing to do with my original statement. and to answer everyone's question humans created society... duh[/QUOTE] Humans ARE society

[quote] Entertaining all arguments and judging them objectively shouldn't have a special name for it. It should just be called "being rational"[/QUOTE] Yeah, if only people did that when legitimate questions are asked.

i mean humanity tried this before and it ended in a cold war and gulags. we've already tried this idealistic approach. it simply doesn't work because we as a species aren't evolved enough to think about anybody but ourselves. we have to create systems that make us dependent upon other people so we have to [B]make[/B] ourselves care. and so far those systems work just fine you want some kind of idealistic world where we all hold hands and all gladly eat gruel and get paid the same to either design rockets or sweep floors wait a couple thousand years.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427299]i mean humanity tried this before and it ended in a cold war and gulags. we've already tried this idealistic approach. it simply doesn't work because we as a species aren't evolved enough to think about anybody but ourselves. we have to create systems that make us dependent upon other people so we have to [B]make[/B] ourselves care. and so far those systems work just fine you want some kind of idealistic world where we all hold hands and all gladly eat gruel and get paid the same to either design rockets or sweep floors wait a couple thousand years.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ. Venus project != Communism Communism has never been done. Can we clear that up? The cold war and the USSR was due to corruption and completely broken and false communism.

[QUOTE=prooboo;40427284]Humans ARE [B]a[/B] society[/QUOTE] yes, yes we are [B]a[/B] society.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427299]i mean humanity tried this before and it ended in a cold war and gulags we've already tried this idealistic approach. it simply doesn't work because we as a species aren't evolved enough to think about anybody but ourselves. we have to create systems that make us dependent upon other people so we have to [B]make[/B] ourselves care. and so far those systems work just fine you want some kind of idealistic world where we all hold hands and all gladly eat gruel and get paid the same to either design rockets or sweep floors wait a couple thousand years.[/QUOTE] the cold war and gulags were a result of trying to implement a post-scarcity economic mode of production to a country that wasnt anywhere near the level of production as western capitalism. Russia was very backwards and not yet ready to produce into saturation. The failure of the USSR only proves marx right

[QUOTE=MadPro119;40427316] Can we clear that up? The cold war and the USSR was due to corruption and completely broken and false communism.[/QUOTE] and somehow magically Marxist social glue will hold the fabric together and prevent this from happening? [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] also the venus project looks like something made up by someone who loves sci fi novels and socialism

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427299]i mean humanity tried this before and it ended in a cold war and gulags. we've already tried this idealistic approach. it simply doesn't work because we as a species aren't evolved enough to think about anybody but ourselves. we have to create systems that make us dependent upon other people so we have to [B]make[/B] ourselves care. and so far those systems work just fine you want some kind of idealistic world where we all hold hands and all gladly eat gruel and get paid the same to either design rockets or sweep floors wait a couple thousand years.[/QUOTE] no, just not a society where we kill for oil.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427323]yes, yes we are [B]a[/B] society.[/QUOTE] No i mean that society is the sum total of human social interactions. Its not some material object that can be held. Its a multiplicity of relations between humans. We create it as much as it creates us. In short, its a process of constant dialectical recreation.