EVERYTHING IS RIGGED ; Illuminati existence confirmed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=johnsten;40427343]no, just not a society where we kill for oil.[/QUOTE] lol this is kinda funny because it made me remember something. we ourselves create scarcity because it always exists because there is a finite supply of everything. we don't kill each other for oil needlessly, other people create scarcity when they raise prices. you think NK is a giant world troll? look at opec. also creation creates scarcity as well. but also a demand. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] i mean i really hope people here made it to the 12th grade and paid attention in economics. it seems more like people here find some kind of new idealistic idea and then latch onto it ignorantly. seriously this venus project guy? self educated... whoa look out. it sounds more like the premise of a novel.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40426998]Uh it's human nature. it cannot be helped. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] all these communists sound like a bunch of starry eyed, self-illusioned idealists who are fresh out of college on their way to peace corp for a year. the founding fathers of america had it right. they actually thought about the whole human-error aspect of it. these dumbasses think that we can all just get along and hold hands.[/QUOTE] communism is human nature. statism transforms humanity into either cattle or monsters, depending on what class you are.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40427419]communism is human nature. statism transforms humanity into either cattle or monsters, depending on what class you are.[/QUOTE] nice read there data. but completely tangential [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] the only way a hold hands society would work is if you completely took the human element out of all forms of administration. always and forever and how in the fuck is that going to work

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427438]nice read there data. but completely tangential [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] the only way a hold hands society would work is if you took the human element out of all forms of administration. and how in the fuck is that going to work[/QUOTE] actually put the human element into our forms of organization instead of stripping them through statism and capitalism. humanity yearns for freedom and creativity. our societies strip that from them. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] you seem to have human nature confused with anti-social behavior. humans are pro-social by their nature and seek to cooperate and collaborate to create things. we strive to do work that defines us as humans, we live to create art. we do not live to punch clocks or become slave wages.

no, we live to fuck

not really no

Perhaps eventually, in a better future, that level of control of money could be used for good. That's my attempt to think outside the box on how to deal with this. But of course the very idea of assuming anyone up the the top would use the control for humanitarian betterment of the world is flawed, so... I dunno, what is anyone supposed to do to make something good come of this information, considering that kind of power?

i dunno why i didn't just say that earlier. all this working together shit... it's subversive. of course we as humans became pack and tribal animals. the loners all died the fuck off, and that behavior with them. we stick together so we can live long enough to fuck as much as possible. that's kinda what we were designed for if you want to put it in a hamfisted yet short and sweet way.

[QUOTE=Appellation;40426152]Jesus God people. How hard is it to get? Don't fight it head on, you'll only be crushed. The answer is to become a little corrupt yourselves, join the system, and very slowly and slightly push from the inside to make things better. "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" isn't a joke, it's actually very good advice. I apologize if I come across as harsh, but you'll only get hurt by trying to be too pure and good.[/QUOTE]this is a terrible idea that would take way too much time to accomplish ad you might not even accomplish it

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40427495]not really no[/QUOTE] you have just lost many credibility. also you made me laugh my ass off.

it's not really at all. if we lived simply to fuck we would probably be the same as flies or any other insect that lives short, reproduces, and dies. humanity is one of the few creatures on this earth with a sense of drive and purpose. we have the mental capacity to begin understanding our world, and with that curiosity comes the drive to change it to conform to our visions. if you are only here to fuck, why do you even use the internet? is facepunch a means for you to pick up women to have sex with or what? [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] actually why do you have any desire to talk about this stuff at all? why aren't you at a bar trying to get laid right now?

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427438]nice read there data. but completely tangential [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] the only way a hold hands society would work is if you completely took the human element out of all forms of administration. always and forever and how in the fuck is that going to work[/QUOTE] Through a well established document that outlines the sovereign rights of citizens and outlines the scopes and limitations of the state. One which may/should be arrived at using critical consensus among top thinkers in ethics, law, medicine, etc. A republic "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." B. Franklin "Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces." James Garfield

it couldn't be just a document it would have to be an objective governing body like a computer. or a document so intricately woven it would have to be stored on a computer to be properly referenced and used. but then again who enforces all of this? the ten commandments just being there sure as hell didn't even make believers follow them.

[QUOTE=prooboo;40427326]the cold war and gulags were a result of trying to implement a post-scarcity economic mode of production to a country that wasnt anywhere near the level of production as western capitalism. Russia was very backwards and not yet ready to produce into saturation. The failure of the USSR only proves marx right[/QUOTE] How so?

"Coercion may prevent many transgressions; but it robs even actions which are legal of a part of their beauty. Freedom may lead to many transgressions, but it lends even to vices a less ignoble form." "The government is best which makes itself unnecessary." wilhelm von humboldt i'm no classic liberal, but i think classical liberalism was really onto something.

i'll ask again, who would enforce it. you don't have to quote anything just give me a straight answer. because the way i see you putting it you're leaning towards it just being there and the people following it.

we all enforce it

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427648]i'll ask again, who would enforce it. you don't have to quote anything just give me a straight answer. because the way i see you putting it you're leaning towards it just being there and the people following it.[/QUOTE] If it is made intelligently it will be able to govern government as well as over-site and the citizens themselves.

this sounds like organized anarchy which is an oxymoron....

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40427657]we all enforce it[/QUOTE] Civil responsibility?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40427664]it[/QUOTE] okay we've got a read on something here captain, we may be entering their space zone.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427668]this sounds like organized anarchy which is an oxymoron....[/QUOTE] An anarchic republic is not an oxymoron. it simply means noone is higher than anyone else

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40427458]actually put the human element into our forms of organization instead of stripping them through statism and capitalism. humanity yearns for freedom and creativity. our societies strip that from them. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] you seem to have human nature confused with anti-social behavior. humans are pro-social by their nature and seek to cooperate and collaborate to create things. we strive to do work that defines us as humans, we live to create art. we do not live to punch clocks or become slave wages.[/QUOTE] I would not define mankind's ultimate goal to be art Capitalism is just a means of production Human creativity goes beyond economics

well. i'm just gonna have to say it sounds absolutely absurd. and probably leave it at that. was a nice chat i will say so though. although it could be expanded upon... i will say it is absurd, however, because it is entirely dependent upon the will of the people. no one has any clue how we can get mankind to this point. so really all we're doing when we're talking about this is talking about something like fusion powered generators. we will get there eventually, but it's going to be really fucking complicated and we're almost completely in the dark with no real light at the end of the tunnel. and plenty of diversions along the way. except we're talking about something much more complex and distant that fusion power. if you wanted that you could have it, but it's most certainly not guaranteed. and the methods to which you acquire such a social status might be questionable. and it may be dystopic in the beginning. cavemen started out probably as family groups, then moved up to tribes, and so on and so forth to societies to what we have today. everything in society is born from true anarchy. true anarchy is not order and cannot be sustained. and anarchy creates order. everything started out complete chaos and eventually coalesced into what we see before us today. the entire formation of the universe itself could be used as a metaphor for such a thing.

Where's the reptilian women at.

[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40427668]this sounds like organized anarchy which is an oxymoron....[/QUOTE] "anarchy is order" pierre-joseph proudhon [QUOTE=Snord;40427683]I would not define mankind's ultimate goal to be art Capitalism is just a means of production Human creativity goes beyond economics[/QUOTE] it is what we are drawn to. i wouldn't say "ultimate goal" because that implies some sort of determined purpose to life. however, humans tend to find the most fulfillment when in the process of creation. we are drawn to be masters of our world.

Why do conspiracy nutters always talk about the Masons. They basically do nothing but sit around, drink, and donate money to random charities.

Unsurprising, really. International banks have a quite capability to bend countries to their will. I hope this conspiracy can be dissolved.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;40427910]Why do conspiracy nutters always talk about the Masons. They basically do nothing but sit around, drink, and donate money to random charities.[/QUOTE] because lots of important people are freemasons.

pretty much everyone has known this, there's no way to stop it unless every government over (really under) the banks did something so short of killing them (which i am not advocating no sir), there's nothing we can do