EVERYTHING IS RIGGED ; Illuminati existence confirmed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Killer900;40427521]this is a terrible idea that would take way too much time to accomplish ad you might not even accomplish it[/QUOTE] Too bad it's pretty much the only way, that's life for ya.

[QUOTE=Appellation;40428034]Too bad it's pretty much the only way, that's life for ya.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiUqfxFttM[/media]

I feel as though you are selectively replying to my points, and avoiding the difficult questions. Unless somehow I missed you managing to justify violence as less damaging to one's integrity than working within the (albeit corrupt) system.

[QUOTE=Appellation;40428121]I feel as though you are selectively replying to my points, and avoiding the difficult questions. Unless somehow I missed you managing to justify violence as less damaging to one's integrity than working within the (albeit corrupt) system.[/QUOTE] If: The 'albeit corrupt' system filters out the uncorrupted until the most powerful are almost totally corrupt, Then: there is no way to work with the system, or atleast with those men. I said we indite them and hold them to legal scrutiny past their wealth. If they resist forcefully it is not only a further sign of their guilt, but will also call for self defense on the part of anyone attacked. It's like 'reverse al-qaeda', they are a network of wealthy men that may be difficult to find or scrutinize.

[QUOTE=Appellation;40428121]I feel as though you are selectively replying to my points, and avoiding the difficult questions. Unless somehow I missed you managing to justify violence as less damaging to one's integrity than working within the (albeit corrupt) system.[/QUOTE] you can't work within a broken system without breaking yourself first. when you try to change a compromised government, you inevitably compromise your own soul. that's unacceptable. as someone who personally believes in non-violence and human dignity, i believe violence should only be exercised in self-defense. however, shouldn't smashing a corporation that works to oppress you be defensive in nature? wouldn't preventing the coercive powers of states be defensive in nature? violence is not simple. i wouldn't want to hurt another person, but i also don't want another person to hurt me. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] ultimately action should be taken because it is moral, but thought must also be put to ensure that the action is also effective.

What if the aforementioned global banks are doing this to prevent much greater evils, such as having the whole world plunge into deformed chaos and savagery? Afterall it is important to keep in mind that if they were truly such evil all-powerful bastards who only cared for themselves, then the world would have probably been in a much worse state than it currently is. Even if they are textbook sociopaths, and even if all of this is a mere game for them, they sure care about the game a lot instead of just throwing pawns at each other and violently shaking the board. Assuming that they are completely ruthless, careless, and nothing else, is not a particularly holistic perspective, considering them possessing more than enough power right at the very instance to quite literally destroy the majority of the human world. They would simply have to start manipulating and choking a bunch of countries with poverty and debt until they went batshit insane like Nazi Germany. Or they could indirectly fund a movement like the Nazi Germany, something which may have actually happened in reality, considering the conspiracy related speculations of Wall Street funding it, as well as the German banks funding the communist revolution in Russia. Or perhaps they are doing both of those things right now (similarly to how both of those simultaneous operations may have been intentionally done to Germany in the past), and were waiting for the right moment somehow... Or maybe their priority is to indeed prevent humanity from spinning out of control due to the astonishingly fast population growth and many other factors, and that they are infact functioning as a necessary evil. The main point is that we are dealing with ridiculously complex fabrics of humanity here, which makes it a good idea to discuss the situation in a most multidimensional possible manner.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40428275]you can't work within a broken system without breaking yourself first. when you try to change a compromised government, you inevitably compromise your own soul. that's unacceptable. as someone who personally believes in non-violence and human dignity, i believe violence should only be exercised in self-defense. however, shouldn't smashing a corporation that works to oppress you be defensive in nature? wouldn't preventing the coercive powers of states be defensive in nature? violence is not simple. i wouldn't want to hurt another person, but i also don't want another person to hurt me. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] ultimately action should be taken because it is moral, but thought must also be put to ensure that the action is also effective.[/QUOTE] If there were a test (say, some sort of cheap brain scan) that could spot sociopaths, and it was somehow found that implementing the test as a prerequisite for obtaining a powerful position (if you are a sociopath, you fail) would prevent problems such as these, would you endorse it?

[QUOTE=Appellation;40428344]If there were a test (say, some sort of cheap brain scan) that could spot sociopaths, and it was somehow found that implementing the test as a prerequisite for obtaining a powerful position (if you are a sociopath, you fail) would prevent problems such as these, would you endorse it?[/QUOTE] no because i don't endorse forms of power over other people period. even otherwise compassionate people can act like sociopaths when in positions of power. [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] humans should control their own destinies. their destinies should not be limited by autocracy or bureaucracy.

That's sort of dodging the question, let's assume that positions of power have to exist for this. (Also, trust me on this, for how bad regular people can go in positions of power, sociopaths are much worse)

if i'm dodging the question, it's because i don't think the question is particularly relevant to my point of view. i don't believe in these positions of power, telling whether a person is a sociopath to get into an office that i already find distasteful is pointless to me. that said, yea i would prefer is sociopaths weren't in positions of power ever. idk if that warrants people being tested for it against their will though.

Simple,make a country where corporations and banks are forbidden and make sure that it's in a nasty location so everyone must go through if they go anywhere. Congratulations on making the world explode.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40428162]If: The 'albeit corrupt' system filters out the uncorrupted until the most powerful are almost totally corrupt, Then: there is no way to work with the system, or atleast with those men. I said we indite them and hold them to legal scrutiny past their wealth. If they resist forcefully it is not only a further sign of their guilt, but will also call for self defense on the part of anyone attacked. It's like 'reverse al-qaeda', they are a network of wealthy men that may be difficult to find or scrutinize.[/QUOTE] To some degree, you cannot effectively combat them while playing by their rules, otherwise they will always sooner or later end up beating you. We are dealing with a system that could have easily been perfected for hundreds of years. They can only be beaten from the outside.

[img]http://images.wikia.com/deusex/en/images/2/26/BobPage.png[/img] Pictured: Government spokesman who assured everyone there is "nothing to fear."

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40428469][img]http://images.wikia.com/deusex/en/images/2/26/BobPage.png[/img] Pictured: Government spokesman who assured everyone there is "nothing to fear."[/QUOTE] haha dude nice cheeky video game joke on an article stating that fucking banks rule the world and manipulate the global economy

[QUOTE=johnsten;40427928]because lots of important people are freemasons.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure half of the people who join the masons do it to troll people

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40428490]i'm pretty sure half of the people who join the masons do it to troll people[/QUOTE] i want to join the masons just to fuck with my conspiracy theorist friends

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40428490]i'm pretty sure half of the people who join the masons do it to troll people[/QUOTE] Well, in that case that can be viewed as absolute top class trolling, considering how much of a ridiculously powerful attention grabber it is.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40428499]i want to join the masons just to fuck with my conspiracy theorist friends[/QUOTE] Because entry level Blue lodge has anything to do with the level of masons that theoretically would be involved in this. [/sarcasm]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40427419]communism is human nature. statism transforms humanity into either cattle or monsters, depending on what class you are.[/QUOTE] your preferred political ideology is human nature i'n pretty sure that 30,000 years ago, the hunter gatherers were out reading marx and bakunin inbetween munching mammoth burgers

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40428511]Because entry level Blue lodge has anything to do with the level of masons that theoretically would be involved in this. [/sarcasm][/QUOTE] oh i know i'm just saying i would want to just so i can freak my friends out.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40428511]Because entry level Blue lodge has anything to do with the level of masons that theoretically would be involved in this. [/sarcasm][/QUOTE] did you know the masons don't really do anything besides be a gentlemens club? i know some guy in the templars and he says they get idiots who think they rule the world

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40428519]your preferred political ideology is human nature i'n pretty sure that 30,000 years ago, the hunter gatherers were out reading marx and bakunin inbetween munching mammoth burgers[/QUOTE] lol how could hunter gatherers do that? Burgers weren't invented until 1900

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40428519]your preferred political ideology is human nature i'n pretty sure that 30,000 years ago, the hunter gatherers were out reading marx and bakunin inbetween munching mammoth burgers[/QUOTE] i don't even like marx that much :( bakunin is ok i guess...i'm more of a emma goldman sort of fellow tho...if i can't dance, i don't wanna be part of your revolution

I'm giggling picturing some hardcore [url="http://global3.memecdn.com/my-whole-life-has-been-a-lie_o_1076326.jpg"]skeptic[/url] that now is skeptical about his skepticism.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40428578]I'm giggling picturing some hardcore [url="http://global3.memecdn.com/my-whole-life-has-been-a-lie_o_1076326.jpg"]skeptic[/url] that now is skeptical about his skepticism.[/QUOTE] this is a serious question is there anyone fucking stupid enough to not believe that the higher ups manipulate everything? let alone be a debunker and skeptic

conspiracy theorists ---------------------------------- 60,000 light years ---------------------------------- reason and logic [editline]26th April 2013[/editline] :)

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40428623]conspiracy theorists ---------------------------------- 60,000 light years ---------------------------------- reason and logic[/QUOTE] man anybody who questions authority is a conspiracy theorist lol!!!! let me make a cheeky joke about reptillians and alex jones!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=johnsten;40428654]man anybody who questions authority is a conspiracy theorist lol!!!! let me make a cheeky joke about reptillians and alex jones!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] Well, assuming that a shady group controls the world (of a certain ethnicity to boot) isn't very grounded in reality.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40428667]Well, assuming that a shady group controls the world (of a certain ethnicity to boot) isn't very grounded in reality.[/QUOTE] Except... they do.... Thats OP

We could create a self-sustaining and self-expanding system whose only purpose is to combat this particular evil. The system could be in a form of a cult/sect/religion, or political movement, or something more subtle. Some kind of a "goodness" virus. Make the number of people who are against this increase faster than the number of people who are part of it. One man can not directly affect this situation. A thousand men can not do so either. Ten generations of people working for centuries, however, can easily overthrow it. The most useful act of an individual, then, would be to start this movement and find a way for it to remain strong for ages to come. THEN will the situation be improved.