Pennsylvania Supreme Court releases new de-gerrymandered electoral map
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[QUOTE=certified;53145124]Real talk as a guy who plays a ton of CK2 and EU4 that map was triggering on so many levels.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen the map turn that fragmented since Francia splintered into catholic and waldensian kingdoms at constant war with each other. Got bad enough for the Pope to call a crusade.
[QUOTE=Blackavar;53144830]We should, as a country, make state courts as apolitical as possible, and have them draw districts in every state.[/QUOTE]
Nonpartisan [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistricting_commission]redistricting commissions[/url] are what is needed. Or look at how other countries do it - in the UK we use a [url=https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/about-us/]nonpartisan boundary commission[/url] chaired by a High Court judge, assisted by other members selected through a public appointments process.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;53144872]How many layers of gerrymandering are you on?
You are like a little baby
watch this
[img]https://i.imgur.com/KEHrCxG.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Districts 2,3 and 4 physically hurt me. :disgust:
[quote]President Trump on Tuesday encouraged Republicans in Pennsylvania to challenge the way that the state's Supreme Court redrew congressional districts to more closely reflect the partisan composition of the state, saying that the original districts drawn by Republicans were “correct.”
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[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/965937068907073536[/media][/quote]
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/02/20/trump-encourages-pennsylvania-republicans-to-challenge-new-congressional-districts-drawn-by-state-court/[/url]
Un-fucking-surprising.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;53146463][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/02/20/trump-encourages-pennsylvania-republicans-to-challenge-new-congressional-districts-drawn-by-state-court/[/url]
Un-fucking-surprising.[/QUOTE]
Is anyone really surprised at this point that Trump doesn't give a shit about a fair democracy
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53146488]Is anyone really surprised at this point that Trump doesn't give a shit about a fair democracy[/QUOTE]
Him not giving a shit would be an improvement. He is actively working to undermine democracy.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;53146463][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/02/20/trump-encourages-pennsylvania-republicans-to-challenge-new-congressional-districts-drawn-by-state-court/[/url]
Un-fucking-surprising.[/QUOTE]
Of course. More fear-mongering.
But at least the fear-mongering is feeding on the fear of becoming one of the wretched poor instead of directing it towards minorities again?
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53146244]Nonpartisan [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistricting_commission"]redistricting commissions[/URL] are what is needed. Or look at how other countries do it - in the UK we use a [URL="https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/about-us/"]nonpartisan boundary commission[/URL] chaired by a High Court judge, assisted by other members selected through a public appointments process.[/QUOTE]
Or, while you've got the gang together you can drop the shitty election system that makes gerrymandering so useful in the first place.
Non-partisan committees can be difficult to keep non-partisan and they still result in gerrymandering, even if by accident, just because it's still a system that throws out up to 49.99% of the votes.
[QUOTE=patq911;53144016]What?? That map looks, on first glance, pretty fair and compact. There's no egregious snake like districts.
And according to this, it's right in the middle of results.
[url]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/new-york/[/url][/QUOTE]
10 looks pretty weird
[QUOTE=Marcolade;53146463][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/02/20/trump-encourages-pennsylvania-republicans-to-challenge-new-congressional-districts-drawn-by-state-court/[/url]
Un-fucking-surprising.[/QUOTE]
Taking elections from them, maybe they should change their platform to appeal to more people instead of needing to fuckin rig the system to have a chance
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53143972]If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY?
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t]
You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.[/QUOTE]
For those who don't know, this idea is to create another Republican controlled state.
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;53148569]Taking elections from them, maybe they should change their platform to appeal to more people [B]instead of needing to fuckin rig the system to have a chance[/B][/QUOTE]
Hahahahahaha
hahaha
[media]https://twitter.com/RCPress_Sean/status/966336216315637761[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/966344745155887106[/media]
[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pat-toomey-talk-about-impeachment-of-state-supreme-court-judges-inevitable-after-they-ruled-against-district-map/article/2649645"]Pat Toomey: Talk about impeachment of state Supreme Court judges 'inevitable' after they ruled against district map[/URL] [URL="https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/"](MBFC)[/URL]
hahaha Pennsylvania are you fucking serious this is fucking baby games
Republicans are losing so their only option is to impeach the state supreme court justices for ruling against them.
Republicans are increasingly the party of dictatorship. :goodjob:
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53149444]Hahahahahaha
hahaha[/QUOTE]
Presenting: The law and order party.
Fuck you Pat Toomey.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53149606]Fuck you Pat Toomey.[/QUOTE]
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I think state House members, state senators are going to be speaking among themselves and their constituents, and the fundamental question is does this blatant, unconstitutional, partisan power grab that undermines our electoral process, does that rise to the level of impeachment?[/QUOTE]
Friendly reminder that in terms of the Republican party, Toomey is considered a moderate lol.
Even if they impeach the state Supreme Court members, I heard in an earlier fp thread that the ruling would still be in effect.
edit: has it really gotten so divisive each side thinks the other is a bunch of cheating traitors
[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53149621]Even if they impeach the state Supreme Court members, I heard in an earlier fp thread that the ruling would still be in effect.
edit: has it really gotten so divisive each side thinks the other is a bunch of cheating traitors[/QUOTE]
The courts aren't even on a side here, though. These GOP senators are trying to lump the courts and the [i]rule of law itself[/i] in with "liberal activism" and "political judges," which is just fucking absurd. They're basically pulling the equivalent of a middle-school student saying "all my teachers are out to get me" after he's caught cheating on a test. Like, no, you cheated. Nobody's out to get you, you're just a cheater.
The GOP wants to be able to break the rules without facing the consequences. When the consequences show up, they're liberal conspiracies, the deep state is working against them, activist judges are trying to rig things against them. Their entire platform is about playing the victim.
There's not two sides to this - the GOP just wants you to think there are so that they can get away with lying and cheating to remain in power, instead of adapting their platform to demographic changes. They're spitting in the face of representative democracy and the rule of law.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;53149669]The courts aren't even on a side here, though. These GOP senators are trying to lump the courts and the [i]rule of law itself[/i] in with "liberal activism" and "political judges," which is just fucking absurd. They're basically pulling the equivalent of a middle-school student saying "all my teachers are out to get me" after he's caught cheating on a test. Like, no, you cheated. Nobody's out to get you, you're just a cheater.
The GOP wants to be able to break the rules without facing the consequences. When the consequences show up, they're liberal conspiracies, the deep state is working against them, activist judges are trying to rig things against them. Their entire platform is about playing the victim.
There's not two sides to this - the GOP just wants you to think there are so that they can get away with lying and cheating to remain in power, instead of adapting their platform to demographic changes. They're spitting in the face of representative democracy and the rule of law.[/QUOTE]
It's just that the gop think anyone who tries do stop their bullshit is a traitor, while dems and liberals think the gop/trump are a bunch of traitors who accepted, if not assisted russia's meddling. Each side thinks the other's a bunch of traitors, seems like the side behind gross gerrymandering, discriminating voter id laws, and bullshit recalls and impeachments now is the real un-American side :thinking:
(sorry if I struck a nerve)
[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53149698]It's just that the gop think anyone who tries do stop their bullshit is a traitor, while dems and liberals think the gop/trump are a bunch of traitors who accepted, if not assisted russia's meddling. Each side thinks the other's a bunch of traitors, seems like the side behind gross gerrymandering, discriminating voter id laws, and bullshit recalls and impeachments now is the real un-American side :thinking:
(sorry if I struck a nerve)[/QUOTE]
If you're breaking this down into "sides" like it's a team sport, you're hardly taking the high road. I vehemently disagree with Republican politics, but this has gone [B][U]far[/U][/B] beyond politics and into the rule of constitutional law itself. The only "side" I'm on is the one that wants to see the integrity of our democratic system, our rule of constitutional law, and our very sovereignty as a nation preserved. I "side" with our justice system, our courts, our intelligence services, and our investigators, because their job is protecting us from corruption [I]regardless[/I] of what party it originates within. I long for the day in which we can return to only bickering about political policy, rather than the continued existence of our nation as we know it.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53149806]If you're breaking this down into "sides" like it's a team sport, you're hardly taking the high road. I vehemently disagree with Republican politics, but this has gone [B][U]far[/U][/B] beyond politics and into the rule of constitutional law itself. The only "side" I'm on is the one that wants to see the integrity of our democratic system, our rule of constitutional law, and our very sovereignty as a nation preserved. I "side" with our justice system, our courts, our intelligence services, and our investigators, because their job is protecting us from corruption [I]regardless[/I] of what party it originates within. I long for the day in which we can return to only bickering about political policy, rather than the continued existence of our nation as we know it.[/QUOTE]
I didn't really want to say something like "we have normal people who want the us to be a democracy, and the gop are a bunch of traitorous idiotic thugs" I generally believe that, but it seems a little like "with us or against us" I guess. I mean I support the dems both because I agree with their opinions more, and also because they run the government normally, and aren't a bunch of idiotic semi fascists. (of course I think the gop screeching is all bollocks and they're a threat to democracy too with their awful gerrymandering and just stupid petty stuff like partisan recalls)
El Naranja Grande is at it again.
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/967493467046899712[/media]
[QUOTE=ReligiousNutjob;53157419]El Naranja Grande is at it again.
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/967493467046899712[/media][/QUOTE]
What's funny is that
a) the SCOTUS already told PA Republicans to shovel water, and
b) the PA Supreme Court ruling was entirely defined on the [I]state[/I] constitution, making it a state matter which the SCOTUS accurately noted when rejecting the case.
[I]States' rights! Except when we don't like it![/I]
It's "unfair" to Republicans because it takes away their unfair advantage. Typical Donaldthink. :downs:
Idle thought: We need a :downs: with a bad combover.
So, it's only ok if Reps have the advantage right? Typical.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53144845]7.5 million in NYC, with the rest of the state having 11 million.
It's not fair at all. The amount of districts is not proportionate for the population.[/QUOTE]
Okay, just for fun, let's play "count the districts that aren't NYC". So first of all NYC itself has 8.5 million people and the state of New York has 19.85 million people in it. They are allotted 27 House seats total. 8.5/19.85 = 42.8%. So .428 * 27 is the approximate number of seats that should belong to NYC. That is 11.556, of which the closest integer is 12, but 11 would also be an acceptable number of seats. So now let's count the seats. In this map, I've put a red dot to the left of the number of every district that is in NYC. There are 12, exactly as there should be. Also I overlayed a map of the boundaries of NYC so you can see I didn't fudge anything. Maybe verify your claims before you spout them?
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Hv3AtHl.png[/img]
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