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[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44220513]Putin.[/QUOTE] He might be power hungry but I doubt he's willing to plunge his nation (everything he's worked for) into a nuclear inferno.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44220513]Putin.[/QUOTE] Putin's a horrible person, but he isn't insane. Nuking the USA would change the world vastly and not in a good way, and it would likely effect Russia as well in some way.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44220493]For anyone worrying about nuclear war: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction[/url] tl;dr it won't happen because no leader is stupid enough to blow someone else up if it means they also get blown up or the outcome of the fight is "everyone is dead".[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option[/url] [quote]The name is a reference to biblical character Samson who pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself and thousands of Philistines who had captured him,[5] crying out "God 'Let me die with the Philistines!'" (Judges 16:30).[6][/quote]
if nukes went flying, both sides would die.
[QUOTE=beanhead;44219553]Isn't the draft card supposed to come in the mail? If so i never got it :v:[/QUOTE] You're actually supposed to do it online now (or at the recruiter's office, but generally they only do that for people who are actually going to sign up for service). [url=https://www.sss.gov/default.htm]Here's the link[/url], just in case you haven't done it yet.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44220008] didn't have the heart to tell them that the military doesn't take highschool dropouts anymore[/QUOTE] They still do but the process for joining the military with a GED is a long ass process. The AF outright won't take them but Army/USMC need waivers and additional testing ontop of the standard ASVAB. No idea what the Navy does concerning them though.
I wish Crimea will break off as peacefully and legitimately as possible and that things will cool off. It's the only real solution that won't lead to unrest in the future.
world war 4 already when will the nukes fall?
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44219446]You're talking about a total war, which is not what we have in mind here...[/QUOTE] Well, you never know how this will turn. I mean, our army nowdays is not half as powerfull as ussr's one was, but it's still totally not as shitty as iraqi's millitary, for example. So one thing i can say for sure is that this will be the most bloodiest conflict since the Vietnam war maybe, so it can easily grow into something larger then another local conflict involving american millitary. Honestly, i'm getting a bit tired of this "China - Russia - US + EU" love triangle.
[QUOTE=Malos;44218234]No. The situation would need to get very, very, [i]very[/i] bad for either the United States or Russia to even consider triggering a nuclear war.[/QUOTE] I don't see Nukes being used unless some bat shit crazy middle east country or North Korea gets them and gets miffed a bit. A country like the US or Russia would have to be on the brink of losing their entire country to a foreign power and the world just doesn't work like that anymore
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;44218118]see you guys in the draft line[/QUOTE] Oh shut up.
[QUOTE=antianan;44220825] Honestly, i'm getting a bit tired of this "China - Russia - US + EU" love triangle.[/QUOTE] US and EU should break up to spice things up a bit.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44220609][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option[/url][/QUOTE] Makes sense really. If you can't freely get access to the Black Sea through the Crimea, you may as well just start lobbing nukes.
Cold War 2: The Warming up
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;44218406]Drafting is still a thing in the US?[/QUOTE] Id like to point out, that it's also a thing in Germany, the Czech Republic and virtually most modern nations. The difference is, that some countries only have a professional army and call on the draft in times of a crisis. I don't know UK legislature, but I would assume, that it does have the ability to enact the draft in terms of a crisis. The US method is pretty muhc the same. You just have to register, because evidently US bureacrats can't keep that in line themselves. Another set of differences is how people are drafted. Some countries go by year and gender, others like us, go just by year of birth and anyone can be drafted that falls into the selected years. Of course that's a crisis draft only as well.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;44221574]Id like to point out, that it's also a thing in Germany, the Czech Republic and virtually most modern nations. The difference is, that some countries only have a professional army and call on the draft in times of a crisis. I don't know UK legislature, but I would assume, that it does have the ability to enact the draft in terms of a crisis. The US method is pretty muhc the same. You just have to register, because evidently US bureacrats can't keep that in line themselves.[/QUOTE] Since we don't have a federally issued ID, we have state issued ones, our records can be something of hassle to keep track of for our federal government. Which is, mind you, largely a feature to us.
A lot of crap gets said about the US government, but this time I have to say they did a really respectful thing by threatening Putin, I don't want a war or whatever, but this'll probably make Putin reevaluate his decisions. They have my respect for this, while AS FAR AS I KNOW no other country decided to say anything about it, the US did, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BEFORE VERBALLY RAPING ME. Sorry for caps, I want to stay a virgin for now.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;44221509]Cold War 2: The Warming up[/QUOTE] "Cold War 2: Lukewarm"
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];44220452']Historically that has been the case, though. And indeed until Iraq that was what the primary demographic of US enlisted personnel was. That is factually the case until 2003, until "non disadvantaged" persons became the primary target demographic, focusing on median income young people such as college students and suburbanites. The 9/11 attacks and the wave of patriotism that came with it attracted a larger volunteer pool, bringing- for the first time in American history- a large selection of median income people. A fair chunk of the military even today is made up of people who enlisted out of financial benefit and steady employment. Before the volunteer rush post-9/11 the target demographic was the lower-income, economically vulnerable young man. Drafts proportionally take in more of the largest class than of the smaller for obvious reasons- that class being the poor. In fights like Vietnam the avenues to avoid being drafted included stable employment, pursuing education, or overseas assignment with a religious or charity organization- things that are/were generally reserved for the economically sound and well-off. Notably every recession sees an influx in military enlistment, a lower job count sees more new recruits. From 1949 to 1972, the prime factor motivating youth to enlist was to achieve education or learn a skilled trade they otherwise would not have access to. Of American troops in Iraq killed until 2007, "...nearly three quarters of those killed in Iraq came from towns where the per capita income was below the national average. More than half came from towns where the percentage of people living in poverty topped the national average." (2007 report) According to a 1977 report, "learn new skills," "earn extra money," and "expand my career opportunities" were selected by over half of respondents in a poll of volunteer enlisted reservists. The same study tells that more immediate economic incentives are the most sought after by volunteer enlisted reservists. By no means is calling the ranks of the military of the "lower class" an insult, it's simply a statistical fact.[/QUOTE] Ok then if you're generalizing the entire military as lower class based on enlisted polls explain Officers to me.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;44218556]I'm honestly surprised the US is threatening military action.[/QUOTE] Well if the theory that Putin is only doing this as he is seeing the US (and the West in general) as weak then a threat and a bit of movement might be all that is needed to seriously de-escalate everything. Of course there is the risk that it will escalate it further but I don't think the US nor Russia actually want to go toe to toe.
To War, by Jingo!
Why is every time something even as much as a cold look happens between USA and Russia, people start screaming about a war? We're not in XIX or XX, wars don't happen just because.
Does anyone want to confirm if this shit is fake or not? [url]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236005-Situation-in-the-Ukraine-Crimea-*Photos-Videos*-ONLY/page105[/url] [img]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=215884&d=1394682353[/img] Rest are in Russian. [img]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=215885&d=1394682371[/img] [img]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=215886&d=1394682422[/img]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;44223396]Does anyone want to confirm if this shit is fake or not? [/QUOTE] I can't help but immediately think it's fake. I don't think any military Colonel would speak that way in email. Especially knowing the paper-trail it would leave
Also, just heard on news Putin's rating is at an all-time peak. :suicide:
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44223435]I can't help but immediately think it's fake. I don't think any military Colonel would speak that way in email. Especially knowing the paper-trail it would leave[/QUOTE] And they sure as hell wouldn't use gmail. Would anyone disscuss this sort of thing in email at all, there are other ways that are a lot more secure for starters.
Ukraine and Russia aren't in an active war, but we have a pretty serious information war going on. The Ukrainian news are like a constant flow of propaganda, and it's way worse in Russia. Take any news about this conflict coming from either country with a grain of salt
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;44220025][video=youtube;IhnUgAaea4M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M[/video] I knew it![/QUOTE] Can we just made this bannable or some shit? It's really getting fucking stupid with any thread that involves America talking military.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;44223396]Does anyone want to confirm if this shit is fake or not? [url]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236005-Situation-in-the-Ukraine-Crimea-*Photos-Videos*-ONLY/page105[/url] [/QUOTE] this is 1000% true. my friend is in the U.S. army and he has a friend that knows the person that leaked those pictures. also i know for a fact that the picture isnt photoshop , how would anyone get a hold of a picture like that? also if the emails are photoshopped how did they make it russian and how did they even make a picture of the emails if its not real .. at least im 1000% convinced this is real and my friend wouldnt lie [editline]13th March 2014[/editline] dammn now i just realize that russia knows about that emails now that its leaked .. that cant be good that they know the U.S. will make problems in the south-east . i think they might nuke crimea but im not 100% sure my uncle is russian and thats what he told me
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44223724]this is 1000% true. my friend is in the U.S. army and he has a friend that knows the person that leaked those pictures. also i know for a fact that the picture isnt photoshop , how would anyone get a hold of a picture like that? also if the emails are photoshopped how did they make it russian and how did they even make a picture of the emails if its not real .. at least im 1000% convinced this is real and my friend wouldnt lie [editline]13th March 2014[/editline] dammn now i just realize that russia knows about that emails now that its leaked .. that cant be good that they know the U.S. will make problems in the south-east . i think they might nuke crimea but im not 100% sure my uncle is russian and thats what he told me[/QUOTE] It's painful to know that this could be a serious comment on Youtube or some news site.
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