"Heaven is for Real" Book About Boy's Experience in Afterlife
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[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28765053]Sounds like Out of Body Experience or Lucid Dreaming. Once again, thought trance... You remince on hearing, and put together picture of what is going on around you.[/QUOTE]
No, because if you read what I posted properly you will see that they were in entirely different rooms.
God isn't real! Get that into your thick brain of yours.
[QUOTE=David29;28764940]The thing is that you, and everyone other person saying it was a dream, have clearly not read the article - which would explain why it wan't a dream.
[b]“But you were in the operating room, Colton,” I said. “How could you know what we were doing?”
“’Cause you told me what you were doing so that we could write it down in the book,” Colton said matter-of-factly.[/b][/QUOTE]
Fixed.
[QUOTE=David29;28764940]The thing is that you, and everyone other person saying it was a dream, have clearly not read the article - which would explain why it wan't a dream.
[b]“But you were in the operating room, Colton,” I said. “How could you know what we were doing?”
“’Cause I could see you,” Colton said matter-of-factly. “I went up out of my body and I was looking down and I could see the doctor working on my body. And I saw you and Mommy. You were in a little room by yourself, praying; and Mommy was in a different room, and she was praying and talking on the phone.”[/b][/QUOTE]
I can explain it.
Half lucid dreaming, half anesthetics not working.
Do you know how many people a year end up being awake for their entire operation?
[QUOTE=Last or First;28765142]I'm cynical so I must be right.[/QUOTE]
Fixed.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;28765154]I can explain it.
Half lucid dreaming, half anesthetics not working.
Do you know how many people a year end up being awake for their entire operation?[/QUOTE]
[quote]No, because if you read what I posted properly you will see that they were in entirely different rooms.[/quote]
[QUOTE=David29;28765157]Fixed.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to say that it might be better to look for a logical explanation which can be described by our current scientific knowledge rather than something that is indescribable and unproven.
By the way, let me justly skull fuck that statement about being in "two different rooms".
-The only descriptor of the room was "little room"
-I assume the operation took a rather long time, eventually she would call someone
-The family is obviously visibly religious
There are only 3 things to that statement
-shes in another room
-shes had prayed at least once during _ hours
-she had used the telephone at least once during _ hours
You are sitting in your room in front of your computer typing.
[QUOTE=David29;28765119]No, because if you read what I posted properly you will see that they were in entirely different rooms.[/QUOTE]
Whoops bad reading. But yeah... That is odd, if they were all in one room I could easily flick my hand up, and say the last thing because Lucid Dreaming is hella common around morphine, pain killers, and otherwise. I'm not sure how to actually go about this, I've seen several things like this before just its hard to piece together a majority of things. My main issue with this whole story is the parents. They are marketing this so what I think might be happening is their telling the child too make up things, and they give him other things a long the way too make something worth cash.
You can't dream about people you haven't seen
too BAD!
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;28765179]I'd like to say that it might be better to look for a logical explanation which can be described by our current scientific knowledge rather than something that is indescribable and unproven.[/QUOTE]
Yet there isn't a logical explanation.
[QUOTE=David29;28765157]Fixed.[/QUOTE]
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There's no chance at all that they're lying for profit. At all.
Because they're nice people who say they're telling the truth, so they must be!
Obviously.
also, why do we have to prove it was fake, when it's up to them to prove it real?
[QUOTE=David29;28765207]Yet there isn't a logical explanation.[/QUOTE]
[b]BULLSHIT.[/b]
Logical explanation: They're lying.
"But that means the world isn't magical! So it can't be right!"
[QUOTE=David29;28765207]Yet there isn't a logical explanation.[/QUOTE]
There are logical explanations, you're just too stubborn to realize that they were already given to you.
The parents and the kid could have made it up. The kid might have just used a broad explanation. The kid could have just made a lucky guess.
[QUOTE=David29;28765207]Yet there isn't a logical explanation.[/QUOTE]
You keep trying to shoot down perfectly reasonable arguments just because they don't support your assertion that the world is somehow mystical.
[quote]“I asked them to sing ‘We Will, We Will Rock You,’ but they wouldn’t sing that.”[/quote]
Fucking angels.
[QUOTE=David29;28765207]Yet there isn't a logical explanation.[/QUOTE]
Fucking tides.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;28765229]There are logical explanations, you're just too stubborn to realize that they were already given to you.
The parents and the kid could have made it up. The kid might have just used a broad explanation. The kid could have just made a lucky guess.[/QUOTE]
It's a good job you are not a judge, otherwise people would get sentenced based on assumptions and the basis of "guilty until proven innocent".
You are clutching at straws.
[QUOTE=David29;28765264]It's a good job you are not a judge, otherwise people would get sentenced based on assumptions and the basis of "guilty until proven innocent".[/QUOTE]
So we should assume all ideas are right until proven false?
I'm fucking charlie sheen. Got anything to disprove that?
[QUOTE=David29;28765264]It's a good job you are not a judge, otherwise people would get sentenced based on assumptions and the basis of "guilty until proven innocent".[/QUOTE]
Umm, they're making assertions that Heaven is real and we are being skeptical. Your analogy is backwards.
[QUOTE=David29;28765264]It's a good job you are not a judge, otherwise people would get sentenced based on assumptions and the basis of "guilty until proven innocent".[/QUOTE]
I'm really sorry, but there is no magical man in the sky, things do happen for no reason, and you are going to die cold and alone like the rest of us.
Man up and deal with it.
[QUOTE=David29;28765264]You are clutching at straws.[/QUOTE]
Is everything you say posted with the intent of being as ironic as possible?
[QUOTE=blazingfly;28765314]I'm really sorry, but there is no magical man in the sky, things do happen for no reason, and you are going to die cold and alone like the rest of us.
Man up and deal with it.[/QUOTE]
That's nice, because I am aware there is no man in the sky.
Don't assume my beliefs.
There are profound differences between a setting in a courtroom (where determining one as guilty has more weight and consequences to it than assuming someone is innocent), and a setting in which you are trying to prove the validity of something (where determining something as fact has more weight and consequences than assuming something is false).
You're the one "grasping at straws".
[quote]When pastor Todd Burpo and his wife, Sonja, asked their 4-year-old son Colton a simple question, they never expected his extraordinary response: Colton recounted an experience that reinforced their faith forever
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Uh, 4-year-olds don't have the developed brainpower to store memories, the validity of anything the child says is at question, and that's just talking stuff that happened last month.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;28765363]There are profound differences between a setting in a courtroom (where determining one as guilty has more weight and consequences to it than assuming someone is innocent), and a setting in which you are trying to prove the validity of something (where determining something as fact has more weight and consequences than assuming something is false).
You're the one "grasping at straws".[/QUOTE]
Plus, following the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" is [i]being skeptical of the claim of the person's guilt until sufficient evidence is given.[/i]. Saying "well, they said it, you're just being cynical and following 'guilty until proven innocent', assume they're right until you prove they're wrong" would be closer to following "guilty until proven innocent", in fact.
Because, again, "innocent until proven guilty" = "skeptical of guilt [b]claim[/b] (ex. they stole something, they killed someone, etc.) until sufficient evidence is given."
Edit: Here, have a relevant video.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/media]
[QUOTE=yuki;28765364]Uh, 4-year-olds don't have the developed brainpower to store memories, the validity of anything the child says is at question, and that's just talking stuff that happened last month.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. At the age of four the most someone can have as common knowledge is something they see [b]everyday[/b]. Walking, talking, and just normal stuff.
[QUOTE=David29;28765207]Yet there isn't a logical explanation.[/QUOTE]
What you decide to be logical has no real relevance on the discussion
[editline]23rd March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28765331]Is everything you say posted with the intent of being as ironic as possible?[/QUOTE]
has to be, the guy pulling shit out of his ass and questioning why no one believes it's gold can't be serious about doing that.
[editline]23rd March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Last or First;28765434]Plus, following the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" is [i]being skeptical of the claim of the person's guilt until sufficient evidence is given.[/i]. Saying "well, they said it, you're just being cynical and following 'guilty until proven innocent', assume they're right until you prove they're wrong" would be closer to following "guilty until proven innocent", in fact.
Because, again, "innocent until proven guilty" = "skeptical of guilt [b]claim[/b] (ex. they stole something, they killed someone, etc.) until sufficient evidence is given."
Edit: Here, have a relevant video.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/media][/QUOTE]
But there's still 0 evidence this is a religious life after death experience with real consequences? How many times have you heard these stories before? How many times do you just take them at their word? Do you think rationally about it? Do you KNOW what your brain is fucking capable of?
Here's the deal, and here's how it happened as far as I can tell(if it's not just a big fucking lie).
The kid enters the hospital, waits in the waiting room for a good hour or two, then goes and gets wheeled into surgery. This whole time, the subconscious mind is picking up every detail and every little bit of info it can. When the kid is knocked out on the cocktail of drugs they give him, and that on top of the most powerful drug on earth, the one your brain produces, DMT, gives you quite the ability to hallucinate any trip. Having seen the waiting room, his mind can reproduce it and fake it in a dream state, easily. His great grandfather? Same thing, some point in his life he saw a photo, and he also gave such a vague description of what he saw that it's irrelevant.
I'm all for the possibility of a life after death no matter how logically inconsistent it might be. But that doesn't mean you get to clutch at straws and tell people who are being rational that they're not smart enough to see the "truth" of a simple biological reaction and psychological conditions.
Geez, guys, is it really so terrible for people to have hope for something beyond death?
It's funny how people will do just about anything to deny that something higher than themselves exists. They have to be in control of their own little world because they're kind of a big deal.
[sp] I will receive dumbs for this post because I'm not bashing religion[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joyful Mystery;28765718]Geez, guys, is it really so terrible for people to have hope for something beyond death?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;28765840]It's funny how people will do just about anything to deny that something higher than themselves exists. They have to be in control of their own little world because they're kind of a big deal.[/QUOTE]
Let me set up a scenario.
You live your life to the age of 30 liking steak well done.
You hit your head.
You suddenly like steak done rare.
You die at 30.
In heaven do you like steak done rare or well done?
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