• Capcom: 'Once upon a time, you were a scrub too'
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[QUOTE=NomadicNinja;37028597]the reason why it flopped so hard was because it doesn't have much to offer single player wise it's a very solid game however[/QUOTE] Ah yeah I forgot about that horrible excuse for a single player campaign. I found it horrendously easy and I am terrible at fighting games. Seriously though, the entire storyline was bad. And zooming around concept art does NOT constitute a good cutscene.
it was rushed which was the reason why the story mode sucked so much
Getting kind of sick of this argument. It's not new players that people hate, it's new players who make no effort to learn how to play. I'm happy to play with people who have never played the game before, but there are people who disregard every piece of advice you give them and do nothing but irritate their own team or the entire server for that matter. Not everyone was like this. I know a lot of people who watch gameplay videos or play a tutorial before jumping into a multiplayer game.
[QUOTE=legolover122;37028632]Ah yeah I forgot about that horrible excuse for a single player campaign. I found it horrendously easy and I am terrible at fighting games. Seriously though, the entire storyline was bad. And zooming around concept art does NOT constitute a good cutscene.[/QUOTE] It was so obvious that they just flat out ran out of money and time there. The first time I saw the slideshow cutscenes I just burst out laughing and didn't stop until 5 minutes later.
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;37028648]Getting kind of sick of this argument. It's not new players that people hate, it's new players who make no effort to learn how to play. I'm happy to play with people who have never played the game before, but there are people who disregard every piece of advice you give them and do nothing but irritate their own team or the entire server for that matter. Not everyone was like this. I know a lot of people who watch gameplay videos or play a tutorial before jumping into a multiplayer game.[/QUOTE] We are talking about the people that hate new players for not magically knowing everything about the game. Thats what 99.99% of the elitists or "pros" do. The new players try to learn about the game by asking and they get raged at. I have never once seen a person online ask for help and then completely disregard what they just heard (unless its something thats stupid like delete system32). I should be able to learn the game inside the game. Not have to go to youtube and look up a tutorial. [QUOTE=Rellow;37028658]It was so obvious that they just flat out ran out of money and time there. The first time I saw the slideshow cutscenes I just burst out laughing and didn't stop until 5 minutes later.[/QUOTE] I just skipped the cutscenes because I do not feel like waiting for ten seconds after every line for the picture to change :v:
[QUOTE=Clementine;37028182]Probably for the best, MOBA's have probably the worst communities known to the universe.[/QUOTE] Actually I, for one, have met every type of douchebag and cool guy in pretty much every game that I have played. (AND you don't know what videogames they play elsewhere in the Universe, hurr durr.)
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37028753]Actually I, for one, have met every type of douchebag and cool guy in pretty much every game that I have played. (AND you don't know what videogames they play elsewhere in the Universe, hurr durr.)[/QUOTE] ...what?
I met a total of one douchebag while I was learning to play League, and I said "look bro I'm not exactly the oldest player on the block" and that caused him to move from assholery to actual constructive criticism. sometimes you just need to remind people you haven't been playing for very long.
[QUOTE=Rellow;37028232]I could probably learn how to play a MOBA properly, but I'm too nervous to play in an actual match because there's way too much pressure on you to be the absolute best player possible which just makes me not want to play at all.[/QUOTE] I don't know how but I've played at least two dozen games of LoL and have managed not to get squawked at once. The community is terrible, but the snapping is because they expect any player to have at least an idea of what they're doing before they join the game. This is sadly an unreasonable expectation for new players of a relatively complex game, and they'd be much more successful if they tried to help rather than driving new people away. I've found that, so long as I read up on the basics of any new character I'm going to play and have an idea of what items I want to get beforehand, I can play pretty well and not damage the rest of my team. That being said it's kinda' crappy that you have to read strategy guides regularly in the beginning just to be competent. What they really need to do is put in a singleplayer practice, maybe let you replay the bots game from the tutorial as many times as you want. Or something like a 1v1 practice online mode with all the other spots filled with bots and one player on each team. Just some way for people to practice and get a feel for the game before getting thrown into the meatgrinder.
I installed dota and tried to play against people and they all told me I was a piece of shit and didn't know anything it was true the interface was too confusing for me to find a tutorial if there is one The way to make your game newbie friendly isn't making the game easier or changing the gameplay, it's giving your players a decent fucking tutorial
[QUOTE=Rellow;37027809]For some reason I've never expected someone from a huge company like Capcom to ever say "scrub". ...what?[/QUOTE] FADC = Focus attack dash cancel (SFIV) Using a focus attack (consumes 2 meter) and dashing out of it to try restore your character's ability to use a followup attack. Basic example is Ryu using the shoryuken attack (the big uppercut that launches the opponent in the air). Normally, he'd follow them up in the air and because he's airborne and still playing the animation he can't do anything. If you, however, use a FADC immediately after connecting with the shoryuken, they go up in the air and you remain on the floor doing the focus attack (focus attacks can cancel any attack). Then, you can dash out of it and catch them in midair as they fall with any of his fireball attacks, or his ultra. DHC = Delayed hyper combo (MvC) This is my favorite fighter. In MvC you have a team of three fighters that can tag in and out. After you complete an ultra attack, you can cancel it by doing the ultra input for the next character in your team's queue. After the input, your character will jump off screen and the next character will appear on screen performing his ultra. plinking = Priority linking (SFIV only..? Not sure) Plinking is kind of hard to explain. Basically if you were to push light attack, then almost immediately after, while still holding light attack, push medium attack, the game will read those inputs as L -> L + M rather than what you would expect to be just L + M. It's some kind of input glitch that allows you to do followup combos with extra security. Sometimes it's hard to link L -> L -> L + M, but with plinking, if you land it correctly you'll do L -> (plink here) L -> L + M, and even if you mess up, you'll still get L -> L + M which will allow you to continue your combo off the L + M even though you messed up the input and should've dropped the combo. Oh, and fuck their excuses with SFxT. Look at this shit: [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAJUelWRWBs[/URL][/media] This is the final round of a competitive tournament. If you're wondering why there are no characters onscreen and the camera has glitched upside-down at the top of the world, it's because Megaman just used his fly attack to fly off the screen after getting a few hits on his opponent to win by timeout because he's now invincible. Infinite combos are impossible in this game, but not because of good design. It's because when you get 99 hits in a row, the game will drop the victim into an unhittable knockdown state on the 100th hit automatically. With that being said, the 99 hit light jab combo that consists of repeatedly pushing the same button is not technically an infinite combo. The character playing Kuro is literally counting his light jabs until he can get 98 and land a heavy attack to get more damage in. Good job, Capcom! This is the worst fighter of all time by design. You can even buy gems that increase your character's health or speed for DLC. What kind of shit is that?
[QUOTE=latin_geek;37028982]I installed dota and tried to play against people and they all told me I was a piece of shit and didn't know anything it was true the interface was too confusing for me to find a tutorial if there is one The way to make your game newbie friendly isn't making the game easier or changing the gameplay, it's giving your players a decent fucking tutorial[/QUOTE] IIRC LoL brings you straight into a tutorial first time you get on or something like that... Explains just about everything decently except for the stats and what's good to buy for what characters. Also another thing I missed: Play conservatively. The shitheads won't notice if you let an enemy get away because you might've died chasing them. They WILL notice if you die and power up the enemy team. Towers practically exist to reinforce this idea.
[QUOTE=NomadicNinja;37028220]the fighting game genre is so stagnant because the vast majority of the fighting game community dislike changes made to their games and want everything to be the same for the most part anything new or any changes made to newer titles are usually blasted by fighting game fans because it's not to their tastes[/QUOTE] It's not really the fact that they hate innovation, it's just that some of these innovative games are done badly or have a small amount of depth. Power Stone, SSB, Bushido Blade, and WWE are examples of good fighters that appeared different from the rest. Here's a game made by the co creator of MK. This had a cool concept (DoA with limb damage and special attacks? Count me in!), too bad it was poorly executed: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40KKa9Pf_FE[/media] ...IGN gave it an 8.7
[QUOTE=legolover122;37028701]We are talking about the people that hate new players for not magically knowing everything about the game. Thats what 99.99% of the elitists or "pros" do. The new players try to learn about the game by asking and they get raged at. I have never once seen a person online ask for help and then completely disregard what they just heard (unless its something thats stupid like delete system32). I should be able to learn the game inside the game. Not have to go to youtube and look up a tutorial. [/QUOTE] 99.9% of pros don't act like that. Every single pro player I've met has been extremely nice and helpful when it comes to the game. And you can learn everything in the game without a tutorial it will just take a lot longer.
[QUOTE=Rellow;37027809]For some reason I've never expected someone from a huge company like Capcom to ever say "scrub". ...what?[/QUOTE] fighting game terms. plink is when you piano 2 consecutive buttons quickly so hat it shows up as 2 buttons pressed instead of 1 fadc = focus attack dash cancel (sf4) dhc = delayed hyper combo (marvel) [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Downsider;37029058] [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAJUelWRWBs[/URL][/media][/QUOTE] did you seriously use sfxt as an example? sfxt is probably the worst fighting game out there currently right below fucking dong dong never die [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] also a newbie friendly game coming out soon is p4u (persona 4 arena) you can literally mash a single button and it'll combo.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;37029628]fighting game terms. plink is when you piano 2 consecutive buttons quickly so hat it shows up as 2 buttons pressed instead of 1 fadc = focus attack dash cancel (sf4) dhc = delayed hyper combo (marvel) [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] did you seriously use sfxt as an example? sfxt is probably the worst fighting game out there currently right below fucking dong dong never die[/QUOTE] When you plink it shows up as 3 different button presses not 2. It shows the move you want to come out (medium punch) and then it shows both the medium punch and a move with less priority(light punch) together. This allows you to press the same button twice within 2 frames.
-whoop, snip Also at this guy [QUOTE=BeardyDuck;37029628]fighting game terms. plink is when you piano 2 consecutive buttons quickly so hat it shows up as 2 buttons pressed instead of 1 fadc = focus attack dash cancel (sf4) dhc = delayed hyper combo (marvel) [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] did you seriously use sfxt as an example? sfxt is probably the worst fighting game out there currently right below fucking dong dong never die [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] also a newbie friendly game coming out soon is p4u (persona 4 arena) you can literally mash a single button and it'll combo.[/QUOTE] Did you even bother reading what he said? He was talking about how SHIT the game is, learn to read. The thing about the FGC is, is that you literally HAD to be in the Street Fighter 2/Marvel vs X-Men scene to be considered a decent player. It's an EXTREMELY elitist community, which is why League of Legend's streams get 40-70k viewers while SSF4 AE 2012 streams get averages of 5k+ viewers. (except for EVO which was huge) Hell, I built a fightstick because I thought it would make me better at Street Fighter (which it did) but I still suck ass. Fighting games have a very steep learning curve and don't cater to the newbies very well, except for Tekken of course. [video=youtube;RI9I9eVLz90]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9I9eVLz90[/video] There's no real way to go out one day, buy Marvel 3 and start kicking ass at it. It's basically like 2007 Team Fortress 2. Here's the game, here's a gun, good luck, fuck tutorials. When it comes to fighting games, you will SUCK. And you WILL get FRUSTRATED. And you WILL get called a Scrub. It's how the FGC operates. [B]Also, trying to play Street Fighter with an Xbox Controller is like trying to unlock a door with a banana. It doesn't work and people laugh at you.[/B]
i'm saying instead of showing something like f.mp it's f.mp + lp
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;37029705]i'm saying instead of showing something like f.mp it's f.mp + lp[/QUOTE] But it also shows the first f.mp. It would look like this. mp+lp mp [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfP3oj_8oXM[/URL][/media]
[QUOTE=legolover122;37028005]This oh god this. I have been infuriated when people treat new players like trash for not magically knowing how to do some of the complicated bits of the game because they were newbies at one point as well.[/QUOTE] This is why I do not like to attempt to play most custom games in Starcraft 2. Or play any competitive MMO or MOBA in general. [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Rellow;37028337]I have recently purchased Soul Calibur V. Had some fun in the character creator and learned a few basic combos with one character. I then decided that I would learn how to play "properly" and then start trying the online. I found a link to a guide, and upon opening it was greeted with a great epic that would make even the Illiad look like a children's book in comparison. I haven't touched the game since.[/QUOTE] I would say try learning a character like Xianghua since she's a newbie-friendly character but she doesn't even exist anymore. So just stick to whatever the flavor-of-the-month character is and button mash. On a related topic, I once tried to learn how to play Street Fighter 4. There is no tutorial. I don't even know how to do a "charge", as it is called.
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;37029783]This is why I do not like to attempt to play most custom games in Starcraft 2. Or play any competitive MMO or MOBA in general. [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] I would say try learning a character like Xianghua since she's a newbie-friendly character but she doesn't even exist anymore. So just stick to whatever the flavor-of-the-month character is and button mash. On a related topic, I once tried to learn how to play Street Fighter 4. There is no tutorial. I don't even know how to do a "charge", as it is called.[/QUOTE] xianghua is still in the game as her daughter leixia
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;37029783]This is why I do not like to attempt to play most custom games in Starcraft 2. Or play any competitive MMO or MOBA in general. [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] I would say try learning a character like Xianghua since she's a newbie-friendly character but she doesn't even exist anymore. So just stick to whatever the flavor-of-the-month character is and button mash. On a related topic, I once tried to learn how to play Street Fighter 4. There is no tutorial. I don't even know how to do a "charge", as it is called.[/QUOTE] Charge is simple, for example if you're playing as Guile and want to do a Sonic Boom, then you have to hold back for about 3 seconds like this <<<-- Then snap it forward --->>> and press Punch. Alternatively, you can hold Down Back. Same goes for Vega and Balrog.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;37029628]fighting game terms. plink is when you piano 2 consecutive buttons quickly so hat it shows up as 2 buttons pressed instead of 1 fadc = focus attack dash cancel (sf4) dhc = delayed hyper combo (marvel) [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] did you seriously use sfxt as an example? sfxt is probably the worst fighting game out there currently right below fucking dong dong never die [editline]1st August 2012[/editline] also a newbie friendly game coming out soon is p4u (persona 4 arena) you can literally mash a single button and it'll combo.[/QUOTE] Err, did you just Google those definitions? That's not even close to what plinking is. Please read my post, and I was using SFxT as an example of a shit fighter, so you clearly did not read my post. At all.
I'm absolutely terrible at DotA-like games and am afraid to play them because of the super-pro-MLG -players that think everyone else is inferior to them. An example: I was in League of Legends beta and decided to try it out. I didn't really know what to do and insults started flooding in. I scuffed them and kept fucking up in an attempt to learn everything myself. Then my sister called me and told me she was in a car accident and needed a ride from the forest-road the crash happened on. I told what happened and hat I need to go to my teammates and holy shite they went insane on me. I ruined their game and was the worst person ever. I've never touched games like that since.
I remember when I was a kid my grandpa dropped me by an arcade tucked into a mall and I started to play Metal Slug. All of a sudden, this neck-beardo-thin-framed Asian guy that was two heads taller than me dropped his ass and sat next to me and inserted his own coins. We started to play. He started to say 'get off. you suck.' and he kept on elbowing me in the arm and I just didn't say anything. I was like 'Fuck him, I'll just keep playing.' Neck-beardo-thin-framed glasses McAsian guy kept on elbowing me and sounded more forceful saying that I suck and he continued with his assault on my right arm as I got into the tank before him, he kept on telling me to get out of it. I just smirked as he got cut down and he smashed the console and punched me in the arm before he rejoined his fellow double-chins. It's nice to see big game makers appeal to the joe.
it's an acquired taste really i enjoy them although a lot of people dont
[QUOTE=Downsider;37030138]Err, did you just Google those definitions? That's not even close to what plinking is. Please read my post, and I was using SFxT as an example of a shit fighter, so you clearly did not read my post. At all.[/QUOTE] you didn't say anything in your post remotely close to "sfxt is a shit game" pls try again
[QUOTE=legolover122;37028183]MOBA and tab target MMOs are the worst offenders. I just steer clear of MOBAs and don't join any clans in MMOs and only partner up if its with a friend or I need help with a boss fight.[/QUOTE] I didn't really notice any more assholes in WoW than I do in, say, TF2. The game is terrible on a mechanical standpoint, sure, but the community is about normal for multiplayer. There may be a couple pricks but by and large it's not hostile to newbies. I'd say there's more assholes in EvE, but due to how EvE works you often can't tell who's genuinely a prick and who's just playing the role of a jackass pirate. Also the pricks tend to reside in low/null, I rarely ventured there unless I was looking to shoot one of 'em. So I never really bumped into them there either. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37028122]Yeah, I've avoided MOBAs more because I hate their communities with a passion than because of the games themselves. I'd love to give DOTA 2 a try since I have more faith in the Valve community, but I'd still cautiously optimistic at best. [/QUOTE] I'm interested in DOTA 2 because it removes the element that made me swear MOBAs off entirely. DOTA 2 allows you to play against AIs, and do so solo or with someone you know isn't going to call you a dick blister because you hit the wrong button once.
it's like I'm reading a DOTA thread
[QUOTE=TestECull;37030414]I'm interested in DOTA 2 because it removes the element that made me swear MOBAs off entirely. DOTA 2 allows you to play against AIs, and do so solo or with someone you know isn't going to call you a dick blister because you hit the wrong button once.[/QUOTE] i'm just gonna say that if you aren't thick skinned enough to play with other people in a game like dota where individual skills feeds a lot into whether or not you win or lose, then i suggest you don't play at all. it's a game meant for playing with other people, you're not gonna get the same experience just sitting there in a game filled with bots.
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