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[QUOTE=The golden;35849781]Mexican government should just officially announce that they're not going to do anything about it. Oh wait. They pretty much already have.[/QUOTE] It's not that they aren't doing anything for it the problem is that they can't do anything about it Even calling the legit denunciation phone number can eventually get you and your family killed Corruption consumed the place entirely The moment the stupid ass president there broke the silent and subtle understanding that was held and went "come at me you bastards" is the moment everything started going to hell
[QUOTE=loopoo;35854570]So wait, those people that were killed were just random civilians? That's disgusting. What does Zeta do, just drive by and randomly abduct civilians to kill? Fucking dogs. I can't believe they do things like this, to other human beings. Shows how they are monsters. I wish there was something we could have done to prevent all those pointless deaths, no one has a right to take the life of someone else :([/QUOTE] The Zetas are the ones who joined the army soley to kill people. The psychopaths that revel in the joy of inflicting pain and suffering on others. God I really feel sorry for Mexico.
[QUOTE=Coffee;35849883]There's nothing you can do. An invading force wouldn't do so well, the cartels know everything about the landscape so they're going to win any offensive battle. And it's not in any countries interests to do so, even if they did the mexican government wouldn't like it as it'd make them look incompetent.[/QUOTE] The cartel would be straight up crushed in an Iraqi freedom style war. I mean, we got hit hard, but we had a 1:14 kill ratio in the middle east, and the terrain there is worse than Mexico. Though like in the middle east, the cartel will still be very active and kill tons of people during any intervention.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35853282]But before dying out there would be a HUGE outburst of crime and violence. Hell they might even consider starting a legal business but using assassination to take out competitors.[/QUOTE] This already IS a huge outburst of crime and violence.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;35850311]I want to visit pretty much every country on earth someday but currently Mexico is an exception to that.[/QUOTE] Mexico is very nice, its only the NORTHERN part of it which is bad. The border states are the worst because of the cartels. If you want to go to mexico go to the pennisula (Cancun, Yucatan) They have very nice sandy beaches and warm weather, and a small drive away is the Mayan Chichen Itza ruins. A another great ruin is the Teotihuacan city which i highly recommend climbing the Pyramids Again only the northern states are like a third world country. The rest is very nice.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;35849633]This is so messed up [highlight]NSFW:[url]http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Mexicodrugviolence.jpg[/url][/highlight][/QUOTE] This ruined my night. Honestly, I don't know how a person could be both vile and tremendously insane by killing civilians constantly for a trivial reason. Come on, it's just a Facebook post, it's nothing to DECAPITATE people over.
[QUOTE=Strike 86;35851941]For fuck's sake. End the drug war. Nothing good has ever come of it.[/QUOTE] This is beyond that now. This is cartels trying to beat the shit out of each other, and civilians ending up in the middle of it.
[QUOTE=Jocke;35849751]Man I remember the "Mexican chainsaw execution" when they cut of a guy's head on video :( I still haven't forgot it[/QUOTE] God damn you. Why did I have to google that? Why did I have to watch all of it? That's the absolute worst thing that I've ever seen, ever.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35858638]This is beyond that now. This is cartels trying to beat the shit out of each other, and civilians ending up in the middle of it.[/QUOTE] Without the money that's being provided by the drug war, they wouldn't be able to FUND these wars. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] In my honest opinion, they should legalize all drugs, wait a year or so, then attack and beat the shit out of the zetas with the military while they're weak.
Mexico never should have let the cartels get this bad This is truly fucking disgusting and horrible. That image will be in my mind forever
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;35858838]Without the money that's being provided by the drug war, they wouldn't be able to FUND these wars. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] IMHO, they should legalize all drugs, wait a year or so, then attack and beat the shit out of the zetas with the military while they're weak.[/QUOTE] Legalizing weed has made nearly no progress, yet you think they'll allow coke and heroin just so we can end a drug war. Getting one country to do that is nearly impossible, yet alone multiple.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35858906]Legalizing weed has made nearly no progress, yet you think they'll allow coke and heroin just so we can end a drug war. Getting one country to do that is nearly impossible, yet alone multiple.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, weed wasn't legal. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] And if people want to drug themselves up, why not let them? it's their loss.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;35858911]Last time I checked, weed wasn't legal. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] And if people want to drug themselves up, why not let them? it's their loss.[/QUOTE] Please learn to read. I said it has made nearly no progress in becoming legal. And your theory behind "it's their loss" is plain stupid, to say the least. You legalize hard drugs and the rate of crime will skyrocket. Robberies will become more frequent by people who are addicted to these now legal drugs, etc. Let's use some logic, mmkay?
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35858929]Please learn to read. I said it has made nearly no progress in becoming legal. And your theory behind "it's their loss" is plain stupid, to say the least. You legalize hard drugs and the rate of crime will skyrocket. Robberies will become more frequent by people who are addicted to these now legal drugs, etc. Let's use some logic, mmkay?[/QUOTE] I read your post as "making weed legal has made no progress against the cartels", my bad. And also, why would they need to rob people to get their fix? The government can make it so that the prices are low enough that they don't need to actually rob people to get the drug. Also, maybe legalizing ALL drugs is a bad idea, but they should certainly legalize their biggest imports, such as weed and cocaine.
Legalizing weed to combat the cartels is going to do fuck all. Seriously. They're too well dug in and they're already sitting on millions upon millions of dollars. Not to mention the massive bias many people have against it being legalized. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;35859022]I read your post as "making weed legal has made no progress against the cartels", my bad. And also, why would they need to rob people to get their fix? The government can make it so that the prices are low enough that they don't need to actually rob people to get the drug. Also, maybe legalizing ALL drugs is a bad idea, but they should certainly legalize their biggest imports, such as weed and cocaine.[/QUOTE] Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal? Stop, please.
Don't forget most drugs do come from other countries too you know.
i'm still wondering if we even take away the cartel's source and incomes, taking their size, background, and etc. in consideration, what are they gonna do, they simply won't disappear
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35859060]Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal? Stop, please.[/QUOTE] That's the exact same argument that people used against ending prohibition of alcohol.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;35859097]i'm still wondering if we even take away the cartel's source and incomes, taking their size, background, and etc. in consideration, what are they gonna do, they simply won't disappear[/QUOTE] Irrelevant discussion since completely taking away any of their income sources isn't possible.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;35859618]Irrelevant discussion since completely taking away any of their income sources isn't possible.[/QUOTE] Yeah just like those bootleggers in the 20's absolutely impossible our hands are tied.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35859060]Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal? Stop, please.[/QUOTE] Do you really think collective humanity is that fucking stupid? If heroin was legalised tommorow would you fucking mainline it into your eyeball first thing in the morning? Didn't think so. The main harms from heroin come from not knowing the dosage (variable strength sources), using dirty needles, the high pricing, and contaminants. When unadulterated heroin of known strength is used in the correct way with sterile paraphernalia it is one of the safest drugs out there. If it was in beverages like alcohol in a similar comparative dosage it would theoretically cause a similar level of harm because absorbing drugs through the digestive tract is far more inefficient than injecting directly into the bloodstream. If you took the amount of pure alcohol contained in a single pint of beer and passed it directly into the bloodstream you would be more than shitfaced :P Did you know that you can order pure caffeine powder perfectly legitimately? Oh yeah so many kids are getting high of that, right?
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35859060]Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal? Stop, please.[/QUOTE] First, no. Second, so what? If that's what [I]"half of our country"[/I] wants to do then they should be allowed to. I find it weird that so many people think that bans and illegalization are somehow solutions or even temporary solutions to societal problems. If everyone is addicted to coke then you've got a serious large-scale problem, but no such problem can be solved with bans. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] It seems to me that in all cases, education is a lot better than banning something by far. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Eluveitie;35859034]Legalizing weed to combat the cartels is going to do fuck all. Seriously. They're too well dug in and they're already sitting on millions upon millions of dollars. Not to mention the massive bias many people have against it being legalized. [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?[/QUOTE] Because it would help. It is a small step, and a difficult one to take for some stupid reason. But any step, any start, would be good. That's why it keeps popping up. [I]"It won't help enough and it will be hard to implement"[/I] is a really bad attitude to have regarding how to improve the world, imo.
[QUOTE=Oxu365;35849799]Oh god I have life long trauma because of that shit[/QUOTE] man if you feel bad imagine how he must feel.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35858929]Please learn to read. I said it has made nearly no progress in becoming legal. And your theory behind "it's their loss" is plain stupid, to say the least. You legalize hard drugs and the rate of crime will skyrocket. Robberies will become more frequent by people who are addicted to these now legal drugs, etc. Let's use some logic, mmkay?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CrispexOps;35859060]Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal? Stop, please.[/QUOTE] jesus shut the fuck up what are you basing these assumptions on? (nothing, I know.) [url=https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=portugal+decriminalization&oq=portuga+dec&aq=0l&aqi=g-l10&aql=&gs_l=igoogle.3.0.0i13l10.1188.3577.0.4234.11.10.0.1.1.0.209.1003.6j3j1.10.0...0.0.]why don't you go take a look at a real world example of a country that has a lenient policy on hard drugs[/url]
Set aside over-liberal bullshit for 5 minutes, and actually think. I'm open to a lot of things but legalizing hard drugs in hopes to reduce overall crime rates is still a ridiculous idea. People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there. People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument. However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people. You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things. Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's. As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy." Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35862973]As an American, American's are fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] but you're smart enough to tell everyone else how to live their goddamn lives? yeah sure seriously, what the FUCK makes you think you aren't in the "dumbfuck American" category? That argument is so goddamn pretentious.
The "hard drug"/"soft drug" distinction is unhelpful and misleading.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;35859034]Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?[/QUOTE] because teenagers think that weed is a miracle drug that will solve all problems
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;35862973]People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah, but there should be the freedom to do those things without getting punished for it. [QUOTE]People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument.[/QUOTE] That's ridiculous. If you can't make the opposite decision, then it isn't a decision at all. And of course you can make the opposite decision regardless of law, but it should be legal to do so. [QUOTE]However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but that's true whether it is legal or not. If it was legal there could be education with no fear mongering and such, and if it was regulated it would also be less dangerous when people choose to go with their curiosity. And I'm not so sure about the "encouraging" thing by legalizing. We've seen it before, for example with alcohol prohibition. People feel much more "encouraged" to do things that are illegal than things that aren't. [QUOTE]You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things.[/QUOTE] It'd also be easier to get rid of addictions, and it'd be easier to know about the drugs and their harmful effects. I like to think that treating people like thinking humans and offering them education is a better solution than telling them [I]"You can't do this!"[/I] and then whacking them when they do it. [QUOTE]Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's.[/QUOTE] It won't just reduce crime as simple as that, the point in this specific discussion is it would [I]help a miniscule bit[/I] on the way to weakening the mexican cartels. If it helps just one tiny bit, then it is worth it. The rest of your post is about drugs in general, and personally I think your argument is weak there as well. If legalizing drugs will lead to some kind of inevitable epidemic, then I say let it happen. As long as we regulate and offer all the therapy and education we possibly can. If that's what people want to do, which I don't think it is, then that's how it should go. People making bad choices for themselves is better than being forced by the government to do something else. [QUOTE]As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy."[/QUOTE] How do you know it won't work? How do you know whether or not the Portugese were any different before this? And again, just because something is hard, does not mean we should just forget about it all together. If that had been our attitude in the past we would never have gotten anywhere. [QUOTE]Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.[/QUOTE] That's not what has been said. It's been said that it would help. And you yourself say that the drugs are the primary reason. It does go far beyond, but like I said before, doing [I]something[/I] is better than doing [I]nothing[/I]. Which is like, holy shit, a revelation or something I just made up.
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