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[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692107] and couldn't be easily hacked by taliban forces in any case [/QUOTE] Tracked is not the same as Hacked. [QUOTE=Urkel01;19692107] and didn't cost millions of dollars each [/QUOTE] You are now puting potential price tags on the lives of the soldiers? [QUOTE=Urkel01;19692107] and were actually useful at any point in the war's history, rather than just being an expensive toy [/QUOTE] They are relativly new, Tanks weren't useful in the first year of production.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692132]Soldiers/Civilians can fall victim to friendly fire by Aircraft and other Soldiers.[/QUOTE] and that somehow makes drones less bad how? [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692161]Tracked is not the same as Hacked.[/quote] what are you talking about [quote]You are now puting potential price tags on the lives of the soldiers?[/quote] haha what the fuck [quote]They are relativly new, Tanks weren't useful in the first year of production.[/QUOTE] yeah sure, this doesn't excuse drone operators violating international law
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692107]this could possibly be a legitimate argument if drones didn't hit the wrong targets and kill civilians over half the time and couldn't be easily hacked by taliban forces in any case and didn't cost millions of dollars each and were actually useful at any point in the war's history, rather than just being an expensive toy etc.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because they're [i]always[/i] aiming for civilians.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692138]lots of them are, especially on this site kids are stupid[/QUOTE] Kids are mostly uninformed and are bad readers, I agree. But, they usually stay out of this section and stay in OIFY or the Gaming section, or from what I've seen, stay in that 'Lifestyles' section.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692138]lots of them are, especially on this site kids are stupid[/QUOTE] Yet you're here, replying away to them...
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692162]and that somehow makes drones less bad how?[/QUOTE] It shows there are always chances of collateral damage.
drones killing civilians is OK though, you see, planes and people do it too!!! landmines killing civilians is OK though, you see, planes and people do it too!!! mustard gas killing civilians is OK though, you see, planes and people do it too!!! [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692182]It shows there are always chances of collateral damage.[/QUOTE] yeah so i guess civilian deaths are somehow justified then? [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19692180]Yet you're here, replying away to them...[/QUOTE] yep, i really haven't learned much [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19692165]Yeah, because they're [i]always[/i] aiming for civilians.[/QUOTE] they aim at buildings that allegedly contain militants or whatever, fire a missile, end up killing a ton of civilians, then say "WHOOPS SORRY"
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692209]drones killing civilians is OK though, you see, planes and people do it too!!! [B]landmines killing civilians is OK though, you see, planes and people do it too!!![/B] mustard gas killing civilians is OK though, you see, planes and people do it too!!![/QUOTE] Are you high? Planes don't deploy landmines Even if you are talking about the fact of killing then you are a fool. You can't compare chemical warefare nor landmines to controlled vehicles.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692107]this could possibly be a legitimate argument if drones didn't hit the wrong targets and kill civilians over half the time[/QUOTE] Show me a case where a civilian was killed by a drone... [QUOTE]and were actually useful at any point in the war's history, rather than just being an expensive toy[/QUOTE] And I'll show you a couple dozen events where drones killed terrorists with ground forces having to go into harm's way: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan#Timeline[/url]
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692225]Are you high? Planes don't deploy landmines[/QUOTE] that's not what he was saying
i never said that bro, i said that it's okay for landmines to be used because planes and people kill civilians too.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19692243]Show me a case where a civilian was killed by a drone... And I'll show you a couple dozen events where drones killed terrorists with ground forces having to go into harm's way: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan#Timeline[/URL][/QUOTE] It's not a tally. More terrorists dying than Civilians does not justify the death of those civilians.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692251]i never said that bro, i said that it's okay for landmines to be used because planes and people kill civilians too.[/QUOTE] Then you are a fool. You cannot compare chemical warfare or landmines to controled vehicles/aircraft.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19692264]It's not a tally. More terrorists dying than Civilians does not justify the death of those civilians.[/QUOTE] Let's look at it this way: How many civilians would have been killed had those attacks not been carried out, and the ones that were terrorists lived to launch an attack with no regard for collateral damage? I imagine that more civilians would be killed by terrorists than drones.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19692243]Show me a case where a civilian was killed by a drone... And I'll show you a couple dozen events where drones killed terrorists with ground forces having to go into harm's way: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan#Timeline[/url][/QUOTE] yes civilians were never ever killed by drones. it is a liberal media lie. the US army is absolutely perfect in every way. lol did you even read the article you linked? it's describing civilians killed in attacks which are "controversial" [I]because they killed civilians[/I] "January 13, 2006: Damadola airstrike kills 18 in Bajaur but misses Ayman al-Zawahri." "ctober 31, 2008: 20 killed including Al-Qaeda operative Abu Akash and Mohammad Hasan Khalil al-Hakim (alias Abu Jihad al-Masri) after 4 missiles hit Waziristan." etc. yes they kill "the enemy" but they kill civilians far more often. and here's some articles about how drones are bad or whatever, it doesn't really matter because you'll never read them or think critically about the subject at any point in your life. nothing can change your opinion, and you won't even try to look at it intelligently, but I thought i'd make an attempt in this case since you asked for sources. in fact, i'll be surprised if you do more than just skim this post and rate it dumb out of reflex. [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/top-judge-use-of-drones-intolerable-1732756.html[/url] [url]http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/02/kilcullen-says/[/url] [url]http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/04/u-n-envoy-rips-u-s-over-drone-attacks/[/url] [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19692317]Let's look at it this way: How many civilians would have been killed had those attacks not been carried out, and the ones that were terrorists lived to launch an attack with no regard for collateral damage? I imagine that more civilians would be killed by terrorists than drones.[/QUOTE] what are you saying, that "terrorists" would just fire randomly into a group of their own people or something? hahaha, i'm seriously a fool for thinking you'll ever reply seriously to this post, if at all. go ahead, just say all the articles i posted are "liberal media lies" or whatever and purge the crimethink from your mind
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692387] hahaha, i'm seriously a fool for thinking you'll ever reply seriously to this post, if at all. go ahead, just say all the articles i posted are "liberal media lies" or whatever and purge the crimethink from your mind[/QUOTE] No, your a fool because you are trying to deter advancment. Tanks have probably killed far more civilians than drones if you compare them in history. [QUOTE=Urkel01;19692387] what are you saying, that "terrorists" would just fire randomly into a group of their own people or something? [/QUOTE] Oh I don't know, [B]YES, And other people from other countries[/B] [img]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8128/wtc911.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692462]No, your a fool because you are trying to deter advancment. Tanks have probably killed far more civilians than drones if you compare them in history.[/quote] gee maybe because tanks are manned and have been around for almost a century longer than drones, you can't really compare them?? that argument is stupid as hell [quote]Oh I don't know, [B]YES, And other people from other countries[/B] [img]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8128/wtc911.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] yep, it's cool for us to kill civilians because if we don't the terrorists will kill everybody! OH NO 9/11 REMEMBER 9/11 CAN'T LET UP CAN'T LET THE TERRORISTS WIN :911:
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692462] Oh I don't know, [B]YES, And other people from other countries[/B] [img]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8128/wtc911.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] You do realize you're exploiting the horror of 9/11 for a petty internet argument, right?
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692519]gee maybe because tanks are manned and have been around for almost a century longer than drones, you can't really compare them?? that argument is stupid as hell [/quote] There is little difference between a tank and a drone besides where the driver sits. [QUOTE=Urkel01;19692519] yep, it's cool for us to kill civilians because if we don't the terrorists will kill everybody! OH NO 9/11 REMEMBER 9/11 CAN'T LET UP CAN'T LET THE TERRORISTS WIN :911:[/QUOTE] No, you said that it's unlikley that terrorists would kill people. [editline]04:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19692564]You do realize you're exploiting the horror of 9/11 for a petty internet argument, right?[/QUOTE] I am not exploiting, I am refering to it. This is exploiting [img]http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1902/10711lg.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19692585]There is little difference between a tank and a drone besides where the driver sits. No, you said that it's unlikley that terrorists would kill people. [editline]04:26PM[/editline] I am not exploiting, I am refereing to it.[/QUOTE] i said it was unlikely that they'd kill the same civilians that we're killing. also you're arguing that use of drones somehow prevents attacks on US soil which is frankly laughable. yes, using 9/11 to scare people into agreeing with you [I]is[/I] exploitation (and it's not even relevant to the topic). there is a huge difference between drones and tanks because the driver sits in safety in the case of drones, tanks don't fire missiles from up in the air, and tanks don't rely on flimsy "intelligence" to find their targets [editline]07:30PM[/editline] oh look, it seems alan ninja left the thread. hmm, wonder why
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692652]i said it was unlikely that they'd kill the same civilians that we're killing. also you're arguing that use of drones somehow prevents attacks on US soil which is frankly laughable. yes, using 9/11 to scare people into agreeing with you [I]is[/I] exploitation (and it's not even relevant to the topic). there is a huge difference between drones and tanks because the driver sits in safety in the case of drones, tanks don't fire missiles from up in the air, and tanks don't rely on flimsy "intelligence" to find their targets [/QUOTE] Yeah it's unlikley that they would attack their own country. That's why almost every week it is reported that there is another car bombing, another police station blown up.
yes clearly there's no way they could be targeting the people invading and occupying their country, no sirree
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692768]yes clearly there's no way they could be targeting the people invading and occupying their country, no sirree[/QUOTE] Lets get the list out then. This is from 2005-2007 and counts Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. [QUOTE=Urkel01;19692652]it [is] unlikely that they'd kill the same civilians that we're killing.[/QUOTE] [code]In 2005, Iraq held its first elections since the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime. Meanwhile, suicide bombings spiked, with 478 suicide bombings over the course of the year. In 2006, sectarian strife dominated Iraq, although the overall number of suicide bombings fell. The deadliest attack of the war to that point occurred on November 23 in Sadr City. In 2007, the United States executed the Iraq War troop surge of 2007. Meanwhile, 442 suicide bombings occurred, the second-most since the war began. In 2009 so far, 76 suicide bombings have occurred – the fewest since 2003. June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, killing 20 people. October 24: Multiple car bombs explode outside the Green Zone in Baghdad, killing at least 20. It is thought that the attacks were targeting journalists inside the Palestine Hotel and the Sheraton Ishtar Iraq: Al Askari Mosque bombing ignites sectarian strife in Iraq. Pakistan: Bombing in Karachi kills four, including a U.S. diplomat. Pakistan: A suicide bomber explodes himself in Karachi, killing 57 Sunni worshippers. Pakistan: Six policemen die and twelve are injured when five bombs go off in a police academy in Quetta Iraq: 40 Sunni civilians are massacred by Shia militants in Baghdad. Pakistan: Suicide bomber in Karachi kills a Shiite Islamic cleric Allama Hasan Turabi and his nephew. Iraq: Explosions and gunmen kill 48 people in a market in Mahmoudiya. Iraq: Car bombing near a Shiite shrine in Kufa kills 53 and injures 103 Afghanistan: A suicide car bomber struck a market in Kandahar, killing 21 people. Iraq: Gunmen spray bullets on Shiites in Baghdad, killing 20 people and wounding more than 300. Afghanistan: A suicide bomber detonates his explosives outside the interior ministry in Kabul. The attack kills twelve and wounds over 40.[26] This is one of three hundred and fifty attacks mostly suicide bombings that killed six hundred and sixty nine civilians in 2006 according to Human Rights Watch. Iraq: A series of car bombs and mortar attacks in Sadr City kills at least 215 people and wounds a further 257. Pakistan, Loti A gasline was bombed in the Loti gasfields resulting in the suspension of natural gas however no injuries or deaths were reported. Iraq, Baghdad Two explosive devices detonated near the Abu Jaafar al-Mansor fuel station in the Mansour neighborhood of west Baghdad, killing thirteen people and wounding twenty-five others. Attacks on gas stations are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt the oil industry. Attacks are also common because gas stations often have long lines of patrons waiting to purchase fuel. Iraq, Baghdad A bomb targeting the convoy of General Ali al-Yassiri, the head of Baghdad's emergency police, killed a civilian and wounded two policemen and a civilian. Al-Yassiri was not harmed in the blast. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq Iraq, Baghdad A bomb placed at a fuel station in the Doura district of Baghdad killed three people and wounded four others. Attacks on gas stations are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt one of the country's most profitable industries. Gas stations are also often targeted because they have long lines of patrons waiting to purchase fuel. Iraq, Hillah A car bomb placed in a Hillah market killed two people and wounded eleven others. Attacks on crowded, public areas, particularly markets, are frequent in Iraq and often have sectarian motivations. Iraq, Tal Afar A suicide bomber detonated his explosives among a group of people outside a police station in Tal Afar, killing himself and four civilians and wounding ten others. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. Note, some media sources reported that the attack took place at a market. Iraq, Mahmudiya A bomb exploded at a fuel station in Mahmudiya, killing two people and wounding two others. Attacks on gas stations are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt one of the country's most profitable industries. Attacks on petrol stations are also frequent because it is common for there to be long lines of patrons. Iraq, Kirkuk Gunmen opened fire on a group of engineers and construction workers in Kirkuk, killing two and wounding three others. Attacks on those who participate in development projects are frequent in Iraq. Afghanistan, Taloqan The Bangladesh Rural Advancement Committee (BRAC) office in Taloqan was the target of a bomb attack on January 13. No one was injured by the explosion, although sections of the office and a nearby mosque were damaged. BRAC is a non-governmental organization that has been working to train women in the area for jobs, particularly focusing on increasing literacy. Iraq, Baghdad A roadside bomb targeting police in Baghdad killed a civilian and wounded six others. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. The Islamic Army in Iraq claimed responsibility for targeting police with explosives in the al-Jihad district of the capital on this day. The group stated that everyone in the police vehicle was killed. Pakistan, Nowshera Four people were reported killed and five others injured when a bomb exploded at the house of a prayer leader in an Afghan refugee camp in Nowshera on January 14. The prayer leader, Maulvi Masoodullah, was arrested after the attack although it is unclear who is responsible for the bombing. Masoodullah's brother was among those who died, along with house guests. Nowshera is located in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP). Iraq, Baghdad Three explosive devices, including one detonated by a suicide bomber, killed at least seventy students and injured as many as 170 others at Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. The attack occurred as students, the majority women, were leaving campus for the day. The first bomb exploded near the University's entrance and the second close to another exit. The suicide bomber was discovered by guards and detonated his device prematurely, killing himself but wounding only two people. Attacks on educational institutions are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt the country's reconstruction. This attack, however, may have also had sectarian motivations. Mustansiriya University's students are predominately Shiite, many from the nearby neighborhood of Sadr City. Students report that the University has come under greater influence of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, with some reporting deputies enforcing a strict Islamic dress code and monitoring of students' personal lives. These changes would make the campus a prime target for Sunni militants. The attack also occurred the day after Barzan Ibrahim Hasan and Awad Hamed Bandar, two high-level Sunni officials under Saddam Hussein, were executed for their involvement in the 1982 massacre of 148 Shiite men and boys in Dujail. Attacks were especially violent the day Hussein was executed in late December. It is significant to note that On 4 December 2006 Ansar al-Sunnah issued a video calling on Sunni students and professors to suspend all academic activities at Baghdad universities. The video denounced killings by death squads and asked those of all sects to abide by the decision. There is no indication that the group was involved in this attack, however. Iraq, Baghdad A bomb exploded inside a minibus as it drove through Sadr City, a Shiite area of Baghdad, killing six people and wounding eleven others. Attacks on transportation networks are frequent in Iraq, however this attack likely also had sectarian motivations. Iraq, Kirkuk A suicide car bomber was shot and killed by police as he attempted to ram his vehicle into a checkpoint outside a Kirkuk police station, however his explosives detonated, killing eight additional people and wounding forty-three others. Four policemen were killed and another four were injured. The blast resulted in the collapse of part of the police station, which caused the majority of the casualties. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. Iraq, Baghdad A suicide car bomber detonated his explosives at a market in the predominately Shiite Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad, killing seventeen people and wounding thirty-three others. The attack occurred at the Mereidi market, one of the area's most popular commercial districts. Attacks on crowded, public areas, particularly markets, are frequent in Iraq and often have sectarian motivations. Afghanistan, Nangarhar Kama district chief, Mohammad Ali, was injured when a bomb exploded on his vehicle in Nangarhar on January 18. Suspected Taliban gunmen also opened fire on the vehicle. Ali's driver was also injured. Iraq, Baghdad A car bomb exploded near a police patrol in central Baghdad, killing four people and wounding ten others. Police were reported among the casualties. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. The Islamic State of Iraq claimed responsibility for detonating a motorcycle bomb and explosives hidden inside a kiosk in central Baghdad on this day. The group stated that the attack killed more than eight police commandoes and wounded many others. Iraq, Haraj market in Baghdad, Khalis market near Baquba, west Baghdad, south Baghdad, Baghdad: See 22 January 2007 Baghdad bombings. Pakistan, Marriott Hotel in Islamabad: A suicide bomber kills himself and a security guard, who is trying to enter. Pakistan, Peshawar: A suicide bombing occurs before a Shia religious procession is started. Iraq, Baghdad, al-Sadriya district market: Truck bombing. Afghanistan, 2007 Bagram Air Base bombing Pakistan, Quetta. A suicide bomber detonates a bomb in a courtroom. The Taliban kidnap Italian journalist Daniele Mastrogiacomo whilst beheading his driver. Mastrogiacomo was released March 19 after Afghan President Hamid Karzai agreed to free five Taliban prisoners. His translator was left behind. On April 8, an Afghan government official confirmed that the translator was killed. Two suicide bombers kill 114 Shiite pilgrims in Hilla, Iraq. Two truck bombs kill 152 people and injure 347 in Tal Afar, Iraq. [/code]
[QUOTE=taipan;19691758]Ac-130 Howitzer in the sky. * 4× 7.62 mm GAU-2/A miniguns * 4× 20 mm M61 Vulcan cannon # 1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon # 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer Yeh ur fucked.[/QUOTE] Hey man, you see that slow circling airplane shooting out shit from the side? Get some our SAMs to pommel it out of the sky. The AC-130 might be some impressive firepower on paper, but it's a giant waste of ammo when you're trying to kill things that can be accomplished with a single ATGM.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19693061]Lets get the list out then. This is from 2005-2007 and counts Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. [code]In 2005, Iraq held its first elections since the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime. Meanwhile, suicide bombings spiked, with 478 suicide bombings over the course of the year. In 2006, sectarian strife dominated Iraq, although the overall number of suicide bombings fell. The deadliest attack of the war to that point occurred on November 23 in Sadr City. In 2007, the United States executed the Iraq War troop surge of 2007. Meanwhile, 442 suicide bombings occurred, the second-most since the war began. In 2009 so far, 76 suicide bombings have occurred – the fewest since 2003. June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, killing 20 people. October 24: Multiple car bombs explode outside the Green Zone in Baghdad, killing at least 20. It is thought that the attacks were targeting journalists inside the Palestine Hotel and the Sheraton Ishtar Iraq: Al Askari Mosque bombing ignites sectarian strife in Iraq. Pakistan: Bombing in Karachi kills four, including a U.S. diplomat. Pakistan: A suicide bomber explodes himself in Karachi, killing 57 Sunni worshippers. Pakistan: Six policemen die and twelve are injured when five bombs go off in a police academy in Quetta Iraq: 40 Sunni civilians are massacred by Shia militants in Baghdad. Pakistan: Suicide bomber in Karachi kills a Shiite Islamic cleric Allama Hasan Turabi and his nephew. Iraq: Explosions and gunmen kill 48 people in a market in Mahmoudiya. Iraq: Car bombing near a Shiite shrine in Kufa kills 53 and injures 103 Afghanistan: A suicide car bomber struck a market in Kandahar, killing 21 people. Iraq: Gunmen spray bullets on Shiites in Baghdad, killing 20 people and wounding more than 300. Afghanistan: A suicide bomber detonates his explosives outside the interior ministry in Kabul. The attack kills twelve and wounds over 40.[26] This is one of three hundred and fifty attacks mostly suicide bombings that killed six hundred and sixty nine civilians in 2006 according to Human Rights Watch. Iraq: A series of car bombs and mortar attacks in Sadr City kills at least 215 people and wounds a further 257. Pakistan, Loti A gasline was bombed in the Loti gasfields resulting in the suspension of natural gas however no injuries or deaths were reported. Iraq, Baghdad Two explosive devices detonated near the Abu Jaafar al-Mansor fuel station in the Mansour neighborhood of west Baghdad, killing thirteen people and wounding twenty-five others. Attacks on gas stations are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt the oil industry. Attacks are also common because gas stations often have long lines of patrons waiting to purchase fuel. Iraq, Baghdad A bomb targeting the convoy of General Ali al-Yassiri, the head of Baghdad's emergency police, killed a civilian and wounded two policemen and a civilian. Al-Yassiri was not harmed in the blast. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq Iraq, Baghdad A bomb placed at a fuel station in the Doura district of Baghdad killed three people and wounded four others. Attacks on gas stations are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt one of the country's most profitable industries. Gas stations are also often targeted because they have long lines of patrons waiting to purchase fuel. Iraq, Hillah A car bomb placed in a Hillah market killed two people and wounded eleven others. Attacks on crowded, public areas, particularly markets, are frequent in Iraq and often have sectarian motivations. Iraq, Tal Afar A suicide bomber detonated his explosives among a group of people outside a police station in Tal Afar, killing himself and four civilians and wounding ten others. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. Note, some media sources reported that the attack took place at a market. Iraq, Mahmudiya A bomb exploded at a fuel station in Mahmudiya, killing two people and wounding two others. Attacks on gas stations are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt one of the country's most profitable industries. Attacks on petrol stations are also frequent because it is common for there to be long lines of patrons. Iraq, Kirkuk Gunmen opened fire on a group of engineers and construction workers in Kirkuk, killing two and wounding three others. Attacks on those who participate in development projects are frequent in Iraq. Afghanistan, Taloqan The Bangladesh Rural Advancement Committee (BRAC) office in Taloqan was the target of a bomb attack on January 13. No one was injured by the explosion, although sections of the office and a nearby mosque were damaged. BRAC is a non-governmental organization that has been working to train women in the area for jobs, particularly focusing on increasing literacy. Iraq, Baghdad A roadside bomb targeting police in Baghdad killed a civilian and wounded six others. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. The Islamic Army in Iraq claimed responsibility for targeting police with explosives in the al-Jihad district of the capital on this day. The group stated that everyone in the police vehicle was killed. Pakistan, Nowshera Four people were reported killed and five others injured when a bomb exploded at the house of a prayer leader in an Afghan refugee camp in Nowshera on January 14. The prayer leader, Maulvi Masoodullah, was arrested after the attack although it is unclear who is responsible for the bombing. Masoodullah's brother was among those who died, along with house guests. Nowshera is located in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP). Iraq, Baghdad Three explosive devices, including one detonated by a suicide bomber, killed at least seventy students and injured as many as 170 others at Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. The attack occurred as students, the majority women, were leaving campus for the day. The first bomb exploded near the University's entrance and the second close to another exit. The suicide bomber was discovered by guards and detonated his device prematurely, killing himself but wounding only two people. Attacks on educational institutions are frequent in Iraq, as militants attempt to disrupt the country's reconstruction. This attack, however, may have also had sectarian motivations. Mustansiriya University's students are predominately Shiite, many from the nearby neighborhood of Sadr City. Students report that the University has come under greater influence of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, with some reporting deputies enforcing a strict Islamic dress code and monitoring of students' personal lives. These changes would make the campus a prime target for Sunni militants. The attack also occurred the day after Barzan Ibrahim Hasan and Awad Hamed Bandar, two high-level Sunni officials under Saddam Hussein, were executed for their involvement in the 1982 massacre of 148 Shiite men and boys in Dujail. Attacks were especially violent the day Hussein was executed in late December. It is significant to note that On 4 December 2006 Ansar al-Sunnah issued a video calling on Sunni students and professors to suspend all academic activities at Baghdad universities. The video denounced killings by death squads and asked those of all sects to abide by the decision. There is no indication that the group was involved in this attack, however. Iraq, Baghdad A bomb exploded inside a minibus as it drove through Sadr City, a Shiite area of Baghdad, killing six people and wounding eleven others. Attacks on transportation networks are frequent in Iraq, however this attack likely also had sectarian motivations. Iraq, Kirkuk A suicide car bomber was shot and killed by police as he attempted to ram his vehicle into a checkpoint outside a Kirkuk police station, however his explosives detonated, killing eight additional people and wounding forty-three others. Four policemen were killed and another four were injured. The blast resulted in the collapse of part of the police station, which caused the majority of the casualties. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. Iraq, Baghdad A suicide car bomber detonated his explosives at a market in the predominately Shiite Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad, killing seventeen people and wounding thirty-three others. The attack occurred at the Mereidi market, one of the area's most popular commercial districts. Attacks on crowded, public areas, particularly markets, are frequent in Iraq and often have sectarian motivations. Afghanistan, Nangarhar Kama district chief, Mohammad Ali, was injured when a bomb exploded on his vehicle in Nangarhar on January 18. Suspected Taliban gunmen also opened fire on the vehicle. Ali's driver was also injured. Iraq, Baghdad A car bomb exploded near a police patrol in central Baghdad, killing four people and wounding ten others. Police were reported among the casualties. Attacks on police are frequent in Iraq. The Islamic State of Iraq claimed responsibility for detonating a motorcycle bomb and explosives hidden inside a kiosk in central Baghdad on this day. The group stated that the attack killed more than eight police commandoes and wounded many others. Iraq, Haraj market in Baghdad, Khalis market near Baquba, west Baghdad, south Baghdad, Baghdad: See 22 January 2007 Baghdad bombings. Pakistan, Marriott Hotel in Islamabad: A suicide bomber kills himself and a security guard, who is trying to enter. Pakistan, Peshawar: A suicide bombing occurs before a Shia religious procession is started. Iraq, Baghdad, al-Sadriya district market: Truck bombing. Afghanistan, 2007 Bagram Air Base bombing Pakistan, Quetta. A suicide bomber detonates a bomb in a courtroom. The Taliban kidnap Italian journalist Daniele Mastrogiacomo whilst beheading his driver. Mastrogiacomo was released March 19 after Afghan President Hamid Karzai agreed to free five Taliban prisoners. His translator was left behind. On April 8, an Afghan government official confirmed that the translator was killed. Two suicide bombers kill 114 Shiite pilgrims in Hilla, Iraq. Two truck bombs kill 152 people and injure 347 in Tal Afar, Iraq. [/code][/QUOTE] okay i fucked that one up but just because they kill their civilians (or our civilians) doesn't mean we can kill civilians
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19693420]okay i fucked that one up but just because they kill their civilians (or our civilians) doesn't mean we can kill civilians[/QUOTE] All Civilian deaths by drone have been accidental, Civilian deaths by Terrorists were targeted.
@Urkel You're not familiar with guerilla warfare are you. Not every Al-Queda dresses in bullet proof vests and swings a gun in everyones face. Anyone could be an enemy if you know that they disguise themselves. Houses could be targetted if they look suspiciously like enemy outposts or hitpoints. That asside, most of the civilian deaths will be accidental.
[QUOTE=Viper202;19693531]@Urkel You're not familiar with guerilla warfare are you. Not every Al-Queda dresses in bullet proof vests and swings a gun in everyones face. Anyone could be an enemy if you know that they disguise themselves. Houses could be targetted if they look suspiciously like enemy outposts or hitpoints. That asside, most of the civilian deaths will be accidental.[/QUOTE] That is, assuming, you're taking the US strategy to counter guerrilla warfare: superior firepower.
I wonder how many terrorist attacks were happening in Iraq before the US invaded it?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;19693580]I wonder how many terrorist attacks were happening in Iraq before the US invaded it?[/QUOTE] Does this sort of count? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack[/url]
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